Zero SR... would you buy?

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Brian

So you're telling me there's a right and a wrong to what makes up my enjoyment of riding? I like the sound of my engine pulling, my exhaust screaming.. the freedom and speed of an open road, and the control that I have from being the pilot of my bike. do you think otherwise

you are complaining that a bike comes with paw warmers. you are not trying to understand anything. you are trying to argue with people. and i intentionally showed you the same logic you are using. "this isn't how i view it, so it is wrong"

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

you are complaining that a bike comes with paw warmers. you are not trying to understand anything. you are trying to argue with people. and i intentionally showed you the same logic you are using. "this isn't how i view it, so it is wrong"

I was complaining? Maybe I sound more assertive on the internet, lol. I was only saying I see them more as an accessory that compliments its high price tag. I guess I was wrong.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by Brian

I'm trying my best not to be narrow minded as long as I can hold my own opinion about purchasing this bike. You guys are just denying me with no evidence to back that up, what is YOUR view and enjoyment of riding?

You phrase your opinions as if they are facts and if anyone feels differently they are wrong. Do you need specific examples?

[Brian]

Originally Posted by allanoue

You phrase your opinions as if they are facts and if anyone feels differently they are wrong. Do you need specific examples?

Makes sense. I was always told I'd make a great lawyer.

[alex.s]

that's not how lawyers work. they beat you with logic you can't argue with. you simply aren't using any logic whatsoever

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

that's not how lawyers work. they beat you with logic you can't argue with. you simply aren't using any logic whatsoever

Yes but lawyers need to be arguable, and annoying. I can argue with anything you say.

Heated grips? We've been getting along with them fine with our 250's.

Need moar power? Why? Our 250's do all that and more + they can corner better

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by Brian

Yes but lawyers need to be arguable, and annoying. I can argue with anything you say.

Heated grips? We've been getting along with them fine with our 250's.

Need moar power? Why? Our 250's do all that and more + they can corner better

opinion or fact?
https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96741

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Brian

Yes but lawyers need to be arguable, and annoying. I can argue with anything you say.

Heated grips? We've been getting along with them fine with our 250's.

Need moar power? Why? Our 250's do all that and more + they can corner better

no.

also, no.

[tfkrocks]

I like my heated gear on my 300 tyvm. Really helps with the riding year-round in all weather thing. Maybe you don't ride in all weather but a good portion of the motorcycle community does.

Also talk to all those long distance riders on here. Heated gear is magical. Yeah you can fight along without it, but there's really no reason to be miserable if you don't have to.

[alex.s]

[Kevin1956]

The last thing we need is idiot Prius drivers becoming idiot motorcycle riders.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

[cbinker]

the amount of stupid and ignorance in this thread by and inexperienced rookie is amazing.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by cbinker

the amount of stupid and ignorance in this thread by and inexperienced rookie is amazing.

I was joking on the lawyer part.. and everything above that is my opinion on the bike.. here's my answer: no I don't think it's worth it because it has a hefty price tag and I don't see myself riding an electric motorcycle anytime soon.

[cbinker]

then leave it at that, its so much simpler.

[fleemos]

I would be willing to spend 10k for one after I see how well the batteries hold up. I commute on my FZ6R and a lot of times there is traffic, it would be nice to not have a engine heat making me feel more like a fried wonton(I'm Chinese so this makes this PC :P ).

[Nny]

OK, just to expand on my previous post. Let’s say you ride the zero for the life of the battery (10k miles a year over the course of 31 years).
Let’s do a comparison in gas against my R6.
Gas @ $4.20.
Average 40MPG.
10,000 (miles) / 40 (MPG) = 250(Gal of gas).
250x$4.20 = $1050 a year
1050 x 31 (years)=$32,550 worth of gas over the course of 31 years. This price does not include filters, plugs, fluids or any other parts that wear and tear over the life of my R6.

AS a side note; in 31 years, who knows what battery technology will be like along with prices to replace the battery currently in her bike.

[CZroe]

I would probably put 20k a year or more on it to save on gas. In 31 years the battery would long have age issues independent of wear issues, which is the kind of real-world stuff I'd like to hear about. Battery tech has grown at a stifling pace but the efficiency of the things that need it have grown at an impressive pace, so I hope battery tech can close the gap in the next 15 years.

[subxero]

anyone who knows anything about input response and power delivery should understand why an electric bike would be awesome to ride.

Add that on top of all the other "on the fly adjustments" that can be made and you are staring at an incredible machine.

Still need to work out the battery limitations before I would consider one as a daily rider. But the yamy offroad one looks sweet!

[Nny]

I can understand that, CZRoe. The best I can say is that we are following the instructions in the manual about how to maximize the battery life but really as you indicated it comes down to “we’ll see”. I can’t remember the details and can only give kind of a high level view of what I read when we first looked into it but… the charging system seems to be much different than that of a typical battery tender/charger. In fact in the manual it says not to use anything else other than the unit that is on the bike as it uses a different method than ‘if the charge falls below X%, then turn it on until it is full’. Also, to really simplify what the manual says about maximizing the life of the battery: keep it on the charger whenever you can.

To your point though, with the advancements in battery technology over the past couple of years alone; it may be a “we’ll see” for a long time. Really though, it is a question we all ask at one point about any motorcycle. What is considered high mileage or what kind of life expectancy is there with an engine? Unfortunately, this is a young company where there isn’t an answer yet.

Honestly though, I am with you. I would hate to find out that the moment that warranty runs out there winds up being a major issue. On paper though, when you take the cost of ownership over x amount of years in addition to the sticker price, there starts to be a balance - which helped lean her towards getting the Zero over anything else. Besides, it doesn’t help the fact that she fell in love with the Zero S at first sight.

I'd be happy to keep updating my post in the ex-ninjette's layer over the years for those that are interested.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by Nny

I'd be happy to keep updating my post in the ex-ninjette's layer over the years for those that are interested.

yes please

[Brian]

Thought this was was pretty awesome:

Link to original page on YouTube.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[choneofakind]

But... Where's the hand warmers?!

[csmith12]

lol

ummm...

[Brian]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

But... Where's the hand warmers?!

I don't need em!!

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

But... Where's the hand warmers?!

[b.miller123]

Glad to see that the OP still isn't actually reading any posts in this thread or responding to anything in an intelligent manner. He'll do well on the Internet.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by b.miller123

Glad to see that the OP still isn't actually reading any posts in this thread or responding to anything in an intelligent manner. He'll do well on the Internet.

Posts regarding what? Care to explain

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by alex.s

Originally Posted by b.miller123

Glad to see that the OP still isn't actually reading any posts in this thread or responding to anything in an intelligent manner. He'll do well on the Internet.

[xorbe]

Did anyone look at the specs page? 171 miles/charge and 4.8s to 60 can't be had together. That means the long range model weighs about 20% more (5.8s to 60).

[choneofakind]

Still faster than the 250 and more than capable for A couple days commute.

[Brian]

This video is comical but brings up some major negatives about the bike that I never thought about. Such as the need to wait to ride again before the bike is fully charged, it's just not a reliable mode of transportation.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[choneofakind]

Before I start, let me point out a couple things that bug the heck out of me about your posts. Get rid of that first period, uncapitalize 'Such', replace the comma with a period, and capitalize 'it's'.

Originally Posted by Brian

This video is comical but brings up some major negatives about the bike that I never thought about. Such as the need to wait to ride again before the bike is fully charged, it's just not a reliable mode of transportation.

Valid point. However (this is a big however), we don't know his riding style. As we know from Vic (greenaero), riding style has a huge affect on the amount of energy required to move a vehicle. He gets huge mileage with no physical changes other than a touring windscreen. Things I'm looking at are starts, acceleration rate, speed, smooth use of the throttle, etc. His choice to ride highway speed when going for mileage on an unfaired vehicle was the worst possible thing he could have done; doing so helped his point by requiring more energy and he knew it. Additionally, his test ride was in the mountains (at least the part he showed) and this requires extra power for hills. Don't believe me? Do some physics and figure out how much work is done when a 550lb mass climbs 3500-5000 feet of mountain pass.

The one thing I will correct you on is the bolded word. Reliable. Reliable =/= practical. You're arguing practicality with this video and all your previous posts. There was no mention of random failures, shoddy build quality, software bugs, etc. Quite the opposite, this video guy praises the quality and notes the improvement from older models. This is just as reliable as our ninjettes, even according to this video. Don't dismiss it, reliable vs practical is a huge difference and is a completely different argument.

Maybe at this point, it's not practical to own as your only vehicle. I'm fully alright with that. If I were to own an electric motorcycle at this very moment, it would be as a commuter, not as my only vehicle. Whether my main vehicle would be a car or a 'standard' motorcycle, I'm not sure. But that doesn't matter. My commute the last two years was 18 miles each way. The commute on my new job is 6 miles each way. My father's commute is 8 miles each way. My sister's commute varies, but has not been more than 25 miles each way. As a commuter, 60-100 miles is a very practical range for a large portion of the population. However, this in itself brings up a good point; if your commute is under 10 miles, like mine is, why not spend $1000 on a solid bicycle and use that on the nice days, rather than an electric bike with an expensive battery pack, insurance policy, registration, etc etc. Most of the population would benefit from biking 15-20 miles daily as it is.


The only major issue brought up by this video is the range, and I see riding style to be the single largest influence on that.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Before I start, let me point out a couple things that bug the heck out of me about your posts. Get rid of that first period, uncapitalize 'Such', replace the comma with a period, and capitalize 'it's'.

Nope. there's something called a vocabulary, and I meant reliable. Practical could have been used there, but.. nah

Reliable - I couldn't trust this machine to do what I need, and it's not suited for me.

I can also construct my sentences any way I want. Did not know you were here to impress everyone with your amazing editing efforts, but great job!

[dfox]

Not going to get in on a pissing match, but to Chone's point... starting a sentence with a preposition is poor style. And practical definitely makes more sense than reliable when speaking about the motorcycle. Reliability suggests that it will break down on everyone who uses it... in reality, it will only "break down" when someone tries to take it beyond it's capacity.

The bike isn't a practical vehicle if the rider's view is to head to the twisties... unless you're getting there with it in the back of a pickup. It is, however, practical for someone who rides short distances. I ride my motorcycle 12 miles per day. This is more than practical (and reliable) for my uses.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Brian

Nope. there's something called a vocabulary, and I meant reliable. Practical could have been used there, but.. nah

Reliable: that may be relied on; dependable in achievement, accuracy, honesty, etc.

Since 'relied' is used in the definition, let's also define 'rely'

rely: to depend confidently; put trust in (usually followed by on or upon)

Mechanically, there is no documented history of this bike breaking down randomly and being unreliable.

Practical (6): inclined toward or fitted for actual work or useful activities.

This fits better with your arguments, which all point towards how impractical this bike is, not how unreliable it is. Your issue is with miles per charge and length of charging time. That is an issue of how realistic this bike is for you as a solution to your riding needs. You have not once brought up issues that would make this bike unreliable, such as bugs in the code, faulty sensors, manufacturing defects, overheating issues, etc etc etc. You have, however, mentioned quite a few times how impractical this bike is in your mind.

Originally Posted by Brian

Reliable - I couldn't trust this machine to do what I need,

The only issue you've mentioned where it falls short is mileage per charge and charge rate. Again, that's an practicality issue. It does not fit what you want, therefore it is not a practical choice for you.

Originally Posted by Brian

and it's not suited for me.

There. Right there. That's it. It's not right for you, therefore it's inherently wrong and stupid and bad and no one should ever buy one. Do you see how this logic is flawed?

Originally Posted by Brian

I can also construct my sentences any way I want. Did not know you were here to impress everyone with your amazing editing efforts, but great job!

Sarcasm aside, answer me; is the following a sentence?
"Such as the need to wait to ride again before the bike is fully charged, it's just not a reliable mode of transportation."

[Brian]

You know what I meant Chone, there is really no need to be a d*ck about it. Reliable was the first thing that came to my head, so that's what I entered. Sure, practical can be used and may fit the sentence better but who really freaking cares? As long as you got what I meant, that's all that matters. You just look like a giant prick trying your best to correct me. Keep trying dude.

[Alex]

Brian's on a short break. See you in a week.

[scorch]

if the price was lower i would definatly get an electric bike like the zero. You can get the 2012 and older gen zero's for very cheap ive seen them for 2800$. Yup, but apparently the 2013+ have much better motors and battery packs with warranties of 300k miles. If that is true, i think id wait for one to go on sale used.

If its anything like consumer electronics these things will be cheap soon.

There is a guy named burton that just bought a zero s. He is also a 250 rider. i think im going to see how he does, and then determine if its right for me. he has a youtube page and blog that is tracking his use. right now i dont hink the zero is road legal. im still waiting.

Here is his blog. Again he is also a 250 rider. i think he put 50k miles on his 250 in the 2 years he has been riding.
http://callmeburton.com/motorcycles/...ear-sub-frame/

[alex.s]

i like the ride apart video comparing the zero ds to a scooter.

i think the important thing that people are forgetting here is that electric motorcycles are in their infancy. buying an electric bike is an investment in the future of electric bikes. they aren't as convenient as gas engines right now. its a simple fact due to charge time and battery costs. will it come down in the future? absolutely, and buying an electric bike now will help make it happen sooner. can you have an electric bike that will do more than most gas bikes? sure, if you want to pay 50g, go get that one they showed on jay lenos garage.

i think the future is in the hands of honda right now. hydrogen fuel cells seem like the only feasible way to have an electric motored vehicle work conveniently