Incredibly tight factory bolt. Halp

[Aggrotech]

So i decided id do my oil change today, i know there are a million DIY threads and a few videos, so i found jiggles DIY here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc7l2A3pOsg


following the DIY to the T, already had the fairings off, was on the left side of the bike, drained the oil, while the oil was draining i attempted to take off the oil filter bolt and after 4 attempts its almost completely rounded off on the left side. This damn bolt isnt moving an inch...but now its slightly rounded off where the wrench fits into the bolt and before i fck it up anymore i was wondering if anyone here might have any ideas. I'll take a few pics in a min. cam battery is charging.

[Trailerboy531]

Are you the first owner? Somebody tightened it wayyyyyyyyyyy too tight last time. Maybe a torque wrench? Get more leverage somehow? Buy a 300?

[csmith12]

Imma ask a really dumb question.

Was you turning it the right way? Ask me how I know.... It should be nowhere near tight enough to round off.

[Aggrotech]

yup turning it the right way. I'm the first owner, bought it brand new...it is my DD so it needs to get fixed one way or another. How screwed would i be if i put my brand new oil in with the old oil filter?

Heres the oil filter bolt. remember, this is what it looks like now after just 4 slow turns and 1 little tug with 2 hands.


and heres the Oil drain bolt.



Huuuuge difference.

[csmith12]

Well, the sky is not gunna fall but..... just means your gunna need to change the oil again as soon as you can get the bolt loose.

Is this the first oil change? Because if it is, I would say it's even more important to do an oil change ASAP.

[Aggrotech]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Well, the sky is not gunna fall but..... just means your gunna need to change the oil again as soon as you can get the bolt loose.

Is this the first oil change? Because if it is, I would say it's even more important to do an oil change ASAP.

yup first oil change. Even though its late i'll go out and finish it if i can manage to get this fcking thing off. its really pissing me off lol. I tried 3 different 17mm length wrenches and of course the stock wrench that comes with the bike + added attachment for extra leverage. It just isnt movin. Would heating it up slightly make any difference?

[csmith12]

You have a 6 point 17mm socket? See if you can get that on the bolt, a hammer may help. 12 points (common) have a tendency to round off really tight bolts.

[Aggrotech]

Originally Posted by csmith12

You have a 6 point 17mm socket? See if you can get that on the bolt, a hammer may help. 12 points (common) have a tendency to round off really tight bolts.

Not completely sure. I know i got some 12point sockets lyin around in the garage. I didnt find any 6point sockets when i looked though

[Trailerboy531]

6-point are the way to go and you really should make sure you're going the right way. I screw that up often I just don't go too far and I've seen many others screw up. As Chris said using a hammer to get a socket on isn't a bad idea.

[choneofakind]

Were you using a crescent wrench to get that loose? Get a set of 6 point metric sockets. Round heads are bad.

In the mean time, you might want to look into replacing that thing once you're able to get it off.

[Jiggles]

Mine is rounded off like that from the wrench slipping. Socket wrench is the way to go if a normal wrench is causing that

[Aggrotech]

hmmm yeah i'll look around for some 6 point attachments. How would i go about getting it off if i end up making it worse than the pic i already posted? Also, how likely would it be that its just a bad/defected/low quality bolt? I didnt yank on it all that hard at all any of the times and it managed to do all of that damage. Is there any place id be able to buy a replacement? Cyclegear? dealership?

[Jono]

Since it's so rounded off already I doubt you"ll get it off with a socket. Try some vice grips. Really lock them on there tight and see if you can get it to turn. I am surprised it was that tight from the factory.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Jono

Since it's so rounded off already I doubt you"ll get it off with a socket. Try some vice grips. Really lock them on there tight and see if you can get it to turn. I am surprised it was that tight from the factory.

Kawi tightens the **** out of all oil bolts. Dey crazy, no forrow torque structions

[choneofakind]

Eh, I was thinking that you could use a file and flatten the sides out enough to get it to sit in a socket. Idk how well that would work though.

[Bassman]

I'm think'n all Ninja's were assembled with a 1000 ft/lbs impact wrench. You either need a welding torch or an impact wrench to take it apart. See Harley has got it figured out already... you just run the bike till the parts fall off naturally, rofl... I so crack myself up!

[Bassman]

Yikes! Clone! no dunce cap? I don't know you anymore!

[Aggrotech]

well i found a torque wrench, with a tonnn of 12 sided attachments, found 1 6sided 17mm attachment but it wont fit due to the 1/2 size main attachment. Think i might be screwed.

/RAGE

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Bassman

Yikes! Clone! no dunce cap? I don't know you anymore!

haha, I thought I'd mix it up a little!

[Bassman]

I know it's one more thing to buy, but just get the 3/8 to 1/2 and get it done. I feel for ya though. It seems like I've bought every tool known to man. All I need now is a CNC machine to manufacture all the parts myself, lol.

[Aggrotech]

ugh i hate driving teh car. ithe 17mm i found still manages to fit perfectly over the oil filter bolt lol, just cant find a torque wrench to fit the 17mm attachment

damn! i want go to riding nowwwwww

[Bassman]

I wish I was closer; I'd drive over and just give you my tool box so you could get it done. Hang in there, we've all felt the frustration.

[menikmati]

Get a vice grip and attach it with a kung-fu grip, order a OEM replacement bolt and a 6-point 17MM socket for the future.

[Aggrotech]

SUCCESS!

Managed to finally find the right sized torque wrench under a bag of bullet casings and black widows and what not. put on the 17mm, hammered it in just in case, positioned the torque wrench properly...pulled out our mini sledge hammer and hulksmashed that bitch (yes, it took 3HITS with a ****ing sledgehammer to unscrew it.) Yay, now i just need to find a replacement.


How safe would it be for me to half ass put it back on so i can ride around, find a replacement then swap out the bad one for the good one?

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Aggrotech

SUCCESS!

Managed to finally find the right sized torque wrench under a bag of bullet casings and black widows and what not. put on the 17mm, hammered it in just in case, positioned the torque wrench properly...pulled out our mini sledge hammer and hulksmashed that bitch (yes, it took 3HITS with a ****ing sledgehammer to unscrew it.) Yay, now i just need to find a replacement.


How safe would it be for me to half ass put it back on so i can ride around, find a replacement then swap out the bad one for the good one?

Worst case scenario your oil filter falls out at high rpms destroying your engine and dumping oil all over your back tire causing you to lowside into a ditch where you are promptly buttraped by a bobcat.

Best case scenario, you get it on film

[menikmati]

Originally Posted by Aggrotech

SUCCESS!

Managed to finally find the right sized torque wrench under a bag of bullet casings and black widows and what not. put on the 17mm, hammered it in just in case, positioned the torque wrench properly...pulled out our mini sledge hammer and hulksmashed that bitch (yes, it took 3HITS with a ****ing sledgehammer to unscrew it.) Yay, now i just need to find a replacement.


How safe would it be for me to half ass put it back on so i can ride around, find a replacement then swap out the bad one for the good one?

...did you mean you found the right socket wrench? A torque wrench is for...torquing things to spec.

I wouldn't half-ass it if you can't get the bolt snugly back in to create a good seal with the large o-ring so that it doesn't leak oil. You're going to have to change the oil again anyway when you want to replace that bolt since it goes through the entire oil filter assembly.

[menikmati]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Worst case scenario your oil filter falls out at high rpms destroying your engine and dumping oil all over your back tire causing you to lowside into a ditch where you are promptly buttraped by a bobcat.

Best case scenario, you get it on film

At least he already has an R6.

[choneofakind]

You hit a torque wrench with a hammer?? dude, that's not good on the torque wrench. I hope that was just a ratchet, not a torque wrench.

[Aggrotech]

Originally Posted by menikmati

...did you mean you found the right socket wrench? A torque wrench is for...torquing things to spec.

Yes, Socket wrench . and jiggles, I dont ride around with any gopros or cameras. i plan on getting 2 gopro hero 3's though. If i would have filmed my very first crash everyone would just laugh. THE CATS...THEY WERE EVERYWHERE Still have nightmares from it.

and no R6 btw, its what i want and wanted to upgrade to though. seat height is incredibly high and it just feels...weird. I ended up hitting the very edge of the socket wrench to get that bolt to finally MOVE, regardless id say its a success. socket wrench has no damage due to the rubber padding on the sledge hammer.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by menikmati

At least he already has an R6.

bitch if he had an r6 then why would he be complaining about not being able to ride?

Y U NO BRAIN?

[menikmati]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

bitch if he had an r6 then why would he be complaining about not being able to ride?

Y U NO BRAIN?

wait, wut? Oh, he eventually wants an R6. I thought he had an R6 that he named Endgame or some ****.

I can read, Supernintendo Chalmers.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

You hit a torque wrench with a hammer?? dude, that's not good on the torque wrench. I hope that was just a ratchet, not a torque wrench.

Hopefully one would tap the socket on and then put on the ratchet/torque wrench.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by Aggrotech

socket wrench has no damage due to the rubber padding on the sledge hammer.

The damage to the wrench would be in the head. To the little gears and such inside. I was hard pressed to remove 16 head bolts, all torqued to 95lbs. It broke my wrench. Craftsman replaced it for free.

Glad you got it off and hope you have lifetime replacement on your tools.

[Aggrotech]

Originally Posted by csmith12

The damage to the wrench would be in the head. To the little gears and such inside. I was hard pressed to remove 16 head bolts, all torqued to 95lbs. It broke my wrench. Craftsman replaced it for free.

Glad you got it off and hope you have lifetime replacement on your tools.

welllll i didnt really HIT IT i guess you could say..i just lifted the hammer up and let gravity do its thing. Its an extremely old socket wrench, nothing new or fancy, or even expensive and of course i tried on my own using brute strength with no luck at all..so what else was i to do?

[csmith12]

It's all good yo, I am sure plenty of everyone's tools "take one for the team" every now and then.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by csmith12

I was hard pressed to remove 16 head bolts, all torqued to 95lbs. It broke my wrench. Craftsman replaced it for free.

Holy superhuman strength batman!

I love Craftsman's warranty.

[Trailerboy531]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Worst case scenario your oil filter falls out at high rpms destroying your engine and dumping oil all over your back tire causing you to lowside into a ditch where you are promptly buttraped by a bobcat.

Best case scenario, you get it on film

bahahahahahahahh

[alex.s]

sorry guys, but the correct answer is "use a closed loop 6side wrench with a small persuader or the double wrench torque trick" or if the thing is already rounded "use an extractor bit, hammer it on if it wont fit immediately"

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by Aggrotech

...........How safe would it be for me to half ass put it back on so i can ride around, find a replacement then swap out the bad one for the good one?

Now that the bolt is out and you have found the correct tool, fix that hex head with a file as perfectly as you can, lubricate both o-rings well, torque the bolt as recommended and add some safety wire if you want to be extra careful.

Don't half-ass anything: ride away and order a new bolt for the next change, when you won't have any problem to destroy the current one if needed (I bet you will not need doing so).

Be more gentle in the future, Justin, your bike is a sophisticated lady and a noble machine.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Motofool

Be more gentle in the future, Justin, your bike is a sophisticated lady and a noble machine.

For real aggro, you ripped her nipple off, be more careful.