August 24th, 2013, 06:40 PM | #1 |
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Well it finally happened...
4 months of no issues and I finally laid the bike down on Redwood rd. Bike has some cosmetic issues and the tail is sort of messed up. Gear saved the hell out of me. A sore left ankle and big toe but otherwise injury free.
I laid the bike down... got back up and rode 10 miles home. Details to follow once I've processed the crash. Bike and I are mechanically sound and doing well (as well as we can in the circumstances). I target fixated and didn't have enough time to brake. |
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August 24th, 2013, 06:43 PM | #2 |
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August 24th, 2013, 07:25 PM | #3 |
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August 24th, 2013, 08:02 PM | #4 |
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Dude that sucks. If you need any help ping me. I got a truck and all that.
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August 24th, 2013, 08:33 PM | #5 |
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Ah man I'm sorry to hear that, I was on Redwood today
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August 24th, 2013, 11:08 PM | #6 |
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Yup... I saw you man. Why you no wave (just kidding)
I was the black ninja with a red jacket flying up and down on redwood doing laps. Pretty sure we passed each other a couple of times. @CycleCam303 Thanks for the offer; much appreciated. The bike looks to be in good mechanical condition. I need to double check the steering alignment b/c it feels a little loose and "jiggly". The tail is pretty banged up (there's a bolt that broke off) and some scratches on the left hand side. I believe this was the corner I crashed on: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=redwo...54.28,,0,11.83 |
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August 24th, 2013, 11:18 PM | #7 |
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Do you guys know if insurance will cover bike repairs?
I have full coverage from State Farm and was trying to figure out if this comes under comprehensive coverage. |
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August 24th, 2013, 11:27 PM | #8 |
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August 24th, 2013, 11:40 PM | #11 |
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August 25th, 2013, 12:05 AM | #12 |
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Hmm I see. There is a memorial near that corner. I think that specific one.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...e-montoya-rip/ Those are the faster corners on redwood with solid bumps. My supermoto mentor actually kinda grilled me about taking you up that road because its a place where you can get bitten hard. It's pretty easy to push really hard on that road. I feel kinda bad because I didn't get a chance to give you tips for that section because I was on cop patrol. Lots of people crash on that road. I'm not sure if you can explain your crash but it would be interesting to read what you think happened. I knew you had a target fixation response but that happens when a rider feels they aren't going to make a corner. |
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August 25th, 2013, 12:48 AM | #13 |
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Definitely not your fault man! My gut was telling me it might be a bad day to ride redwood and I ignored it. Let me re-trace the crash along with my day out on Redwood: I had my break-in service this morning @ Diablo Kawasaki. Got the bike back at noon and it was running great. I come home, have lunch and tell myself that I'm not going to ride today (Saturday) since I have a BARF ride tomorrow (Sunday). I went against that decision after lunch and decided to head down to Redwood via Grizzly, Skyline, Pinehurst. Quick aside: I've made some recent posts about the stock rearsets and how I felt really uncomfortable leaning the bike with those. I'm currently waiting on vortex rearsets. This may have played a part in me being uncomfortable with lean angel. I enter Redwood (heading towards Castro Valley), feeling pretty good and my rhythm is good. I'm setting up for the corners ahead of time and carrying good corner speed. Overall the descent was fine. I turn around and head back up Redwood. I start having difficulties with the corners - why? - because the awesome, tight right handers are now evil, tight left handers. I'm immediately out of sync with the road and end up having to brake while cornering since the bends tighten near the apex. I notice this happening with most left handers and finally I hit the crash corner. If you look on the map, the crash corner is right after a nice right hand sweeper (which as you can tell, I absolutely love). My corner speed for the right hander is good, as is the straight away leading to the crash corner. I brake + downshift to 4th and begin rolling on throttle. I get near the apex and the bend tightens. My discomfort with greater left lean angle gets the better of me and I straighten + front brake. I run out of real estate and I high-side into the gravel. The bike lands on its left side and on my left foot. I land on my left side and end up on my back sliding a few feet on my back. Here's the kicker... I was doing LAPS on Redwood for 2 whole hours and fate decides to throw me under on my way back home. Looking at my foot at the moment and how swollen it is, it may be a broken toe (if not, foot). I think the main take away here is state of mind. It was a mental block that stopped me from leaning into the left hander - why? - because double yellows are invisible barriers and too much lean might put you in on-coming traffic. I think my brain is fairly well tuned for racing - because in a race situation the cliff face is your barrier and not the yellow. It was an overcorrection to that "race mindset" that stopped me from leaning more and resulted in the target fixation and crash. The toe dragging incident from previous runs through Redwood only added to that lean angle discomfort. Why do I like right handers? Its because I can cut the corner and know without a shadow of a doubt that I can always lean more. |
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August 25th, 2013, 03:12 PM | #14 |
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August 25th, 2013, 03:27 PM | #15 |
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Genius! Can't believe I didn't think of that.
I'm sure me doing laps on Redwood had nothing, whatsoever, to do with me realizing that fact and wanting to practice my left turns in order to get better at them... The fact that I crashed on the way back home instead of the during the 3rd or 4th lap should immediately point to the fact that I mostly likely push my body too much and lost concentration. I should have hydrated before heading out too, but C'est la vie. |
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August 25th, 2013, 03:55 PM | #16 |
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Some damage pics. The tail took the biggest hit and is, understandably, pretty messed up.
Might have an alignment issue for the front wheel and the left blinker relay is messed up. The front left blinker doesn't flash (its just constantly on) and the rear left blinker doesn't work at all. |
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August 25th, 2013, 04:09 PM | #17 | |
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None of these are judgments, they are just what you've shared here. If I were you, I'd take a step back to think about if you're going about this the right way. Your choices in gear were quite good, which means that when you did hit the ground, you were fortunate enough to have minor injuries. But it's only luck that kept you and your bike from either hitting something or getting hit by something much more damaging on the way down. There's always going to be some risk in this, but you're shooting for an unavoidable crash every couple hundred thousand miles. Not an avoidable crash every 600. (Rojo would probably say that you're shooting for never, ever, ever crashing on the street, and honestly he's probably right). Good luck, and please think about what your real goals are here. If it's not there already, put the "not crashing" goal to the top of the list over just about everything else, and think about it every time you swing a leg over the bike.
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August 25th, 2013, 04:31 PM | #18 |
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Does the tail end look off, as in bent? There's no removable sub frame on these things so bending it back is the only option. But you'd have to remove the fairings to really check.
Doesn't look super bad. I tease about doing laps and the redwood tt guys because most of those riders treat that road and their "crew" like some high school ricer car club. Every weekend they do laps up there. It's not that laps are all bad. Seat time is seat time. I can't deny that I'm a faster better rider just from riding a lot of street. Practice makes perfect right? It's that pushing a little harder and making inevitable mistakes that sucks with doing laps. Even I go a lot faster after doing a scout lap on redwood. I do find it weird that you don't like lefts. They aren't blind so you can really hang it out. My tires always wear more on the left side. |
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August 25th, 2013, 04:40 PM | #19 |
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Rights are scary when they are blind. Deer, ducks, squirrels, a pickup that decided to run itself half way off the road, stopped cars etc. are all things I've come across on blind right hand turns.
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August 25th, 2013, 05:04 PM | #20 |
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Yeah, agreed. This was a risk that I thought about for a long time and figured it was worth taking at least once. I've ticked that box - unfortunately I crashed in the process but I found my limit and weaknesses on the bike (without serious injury). Next time, I'll take it to the track and mellow down on the street.
A quick correction though... yes, I said that it would be nice to have some more power but I also said (in the same post) that I have no plans to upgrade any time soon. Conversational nuances don't translate well on forum posts - which might account for the perception of me being rash and out of control. Trust me... I have no desire to throw away my PhD or aspirations of getting into academia and research. As for the bike, well it sucks that its worth less money now because of the damages, but like any vehicle it was a money pit from the get go. I'm young and in school so any loss on a 6k Ninja would be amortized over a career, so I'm not really worried about the money. However, it does suck that I messed up something that's very dear to me... |
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Basically, I should have stuck with my gut and stayed at home yesterday. Looking at the 3rd pic, it looks like the left hand side tabs popped out which is why the tail doesn't line up with the seat. 2nd pic shows the bolt which holds the tail in-line with the seat also snapped. So, I think this is mainly an issue with tabs popping out and the missing bolt. |
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I should have erred on the side of caution and pulled the plug sooner than I did. However, I didn't and taxed myself too much mentally/physically, let my left-turn anxiety take the better of me and switched off at the wrong moment. I kept alluding to "crashing on the ride home" over and over again in the my previous posts because I truly felt that I was in control of that corner. I mean, I did it 4 times before crashing but felt really tired and dehydrated on the way home. As Cam mentioned its a fairly easy corner to take at speed. |
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Not here in eastern TN, people put their mailboxes waaaaay too close to the road especially in rural areas. I just about whacked my head into one not long ago by taking the inside track on a right. I was riding shotgun with my buddy in his pickup and he whacked one with his right-side mirror, so it's not just me (he was centered in his lane). In that case, the mailbox door was open. That would be one helluva thing to take in the teeth.
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August 26th, 2013, 04:29 PM | #30 |
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@Thorgrim
Yeah, I've bicycled through narrow roads like that in New Jersey. Pretty scary trying to get as close to the curb as possible when cars are trying to pass and trying to avoid those pesky mailboxes. Don't even get me started on times when the mailman is making his/her rounds and you're trying to avoid that USPS mail van as well... |
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Two fractures on my left, big toe and a dislocated second toe. No, pins or surgery required and for the most part I got off scott-free. Plans for the bike: Rearsets and Shogun frame sliders came in today. Will be ordering ASV fold-away levers, woodcraft clip-ons and fender eliminator kit soon. As I mentioned above, I think this is the right time for me to take aggressive riding to the track so I'm setting the bike up for that... Do you guys have any other suggestions for making this thing a track-ready machine that's still street legal? Sent out damage pics to the dealership to assess the cost of repairs - I think they'll reply by asking me to bring the bike in so... yeah. |
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