Rev meter Problem

delvey91 · June 28th, 2009, 09:42 AM

Hiya guys,

Got a annoying problem with my rev counter,

Every time i rev past 9,000 the rev neddle stops for a split second and then carrys on rising up to 12,000 like normal, Its really annoying as you can see it out the corner of your eye whislt riding. It has nothing to do with the engine speed as this sounds fine

komohana · June 28th, 2009, 10:18 AM

i had this happen to me on a different motorcycle, and older honda 'ceptor, and it the motor eventually began to cut out with the rpm drops. come to find out it was a spark unit going bad. not saying it's that here, but wanted to share the similarity.

kkim · June 28th, 2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by komohana

come to find out it was a spark unit going bad.

same thing as a CDI or ignitor?

komohana · June 28th, 2009, 10:30 AM

yes...they were just smaller than a cigg. pack. said tach got signal from there on the honda.

Banzai · June 28th, 2009, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delvey91

Hiya guys,

Got a annoying problem with my rev counter,

Every time i rev past 9,000 the rev neddle stops for a split second and then carrys on rising up to 12,000 like normal, Its really annoying as you can see it out the corner of your eye whislt riding. It has nothing to do with the engine speed as this sounds fine

Classic indication of a CDI going bad. WELCOME TO THE CLUB!

After 3 CDIs and 2 Tachs, this same problem is where I'm at with my bike. Check out the thread on the CDI issue to see about details and check if you have any of the other problems associated with the bad CDIs.

delvey91 · June 28th, 2009, 01:57 PM

Ah thanks very much, It seems thats my problem, I have been getting worse petrol mileage. It used to do 220 miles to a tank and now its only doing 170

So i need a new one of these. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KAWASAKI-ZX250...3%3A1|294%3A50

Banzai · June 28th, 2009, 05:28 PM

Perhaps not, might be something else going on. Yours is the first FI bike I've heard of having the CDI problem. ????? This bears looking into!

HKr1 · June 29th, 2009, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Banzai

Perhaps not, might be something else going on. Yours is the first FI bike I've heard of having the CDI problem. ????? This bears looking into!

Dont think the fi bike would have the cdi. Everytime I have seen those type of ignition coils, there controled by the ecm.

Banzai · June 29th, 2009, 08:40 AM

Our CDI controls our coils, true, and the ECM in the FI bikes is just an expanded version of our CDI with a few more computer chips.

I'll take a look at the wiring diagram for the FI bikes later and see what kind of commonality there is.

Whatever the FI bikes call it, it'll control the fuel injection as well as the timing curves for the ignition.

delvey91 · June 29th, 2009, 10:47 AM

Apparently it is a problem with FI bikes....

I went to my local dealers today as my bikes still under warranty and explained to the technician the problem etc.

He said he has had the same problem on two other bikes that have been used all through the winter months like mine. Apparently the inside of ECU becomes condensated and upsets the electric gizmos etc. I am having the new one fitted on wednesday so i will see if that cures the problem. The guy seemed pretty sure it would though.

Thank god for the 2 year warranty

Banzai · June 29th, 2009, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delvey91

Apparently it is a problem with FI bikes....

I went to my local dealers today as my bikes still under warranty and explained to the technician the problem etc.

He said he has had the same problem on two other bikes that have been used all through the winter months like mine. Apparently the inside of ECU becomes condensated and upsets the electric gizmos etc. I am having the new one fitted on wednesday so i will see if that cures the problem. The guy seemed pretty sure it would though.

Thank god for the 2 year warranty

Wow, that sucks. First we've heard of that over on this side of the pond. Sorry you folks suffer from it, too.

Our cycle is CDI, tach, repeat until customer gets frustrated and doesn't want to try again, warranty expires, or customer stops coming back to spend money.

Apparently someone on another board was told by their Kawi dealer that it's as simple a fix as a reflash of the CDI chip, and that they know it's a good fix. I'm thinking someone doesn't know what they're talking about. If it was that easy, everyone all over the web would be reporting that, NOT the cycle of replacement parts.

Rayme · June 29th, 2009, 12:32 PM

These needs to be seriously better ventilated if it holds true.. woah !!!

I've put 3000 KM on my bike and I think I got that problem (carburator version) with the CDI. I was driving at 120 KM and RPM was indicating 9000 RPM +, where it should have been lower (around 8300-8400) like usual because I got a larger sprocket up front. Only happened once on a particulary hot day... I'm out of warrenty, if I get more problem I'll adress the ventilation with some mods.

Banzai · June 29th, 2009, 05:52 PM

After reviewing the wiring diagram for the FI bikes, the tach gets it's signal directly from the ECU. It is NOT in parallel with the signal to the coil like it is with the carb bikes.

backinthesaddleagain · June 29th, 2009, 09:19 PM

i get it every so often at 8K, for a split second, wouldn't feel it if i didn't see the needle stop. unable to recreate on demand.

HKr1 · June 30th, 2009, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banzai

Our CDI controls our coils, true, and the ECM in the FI bikes is just an expanded version of our CDI with a few more computer chips.

They call it a "Digital" Ignition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banzai

After reviewing the wiring diagram for the FI bikes,

Hey Chief, you got a pdf copy of the FI schematic?

noche_caliente · June 30th, 2009, 03:09 PM

wiring diagram for all models is in the service manual - seems that Indonesia is different than our bikes too...

Banzai · June 30th, 2009, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKr1

Hey Chief, you got a pdf copy of the FI schematic?

Yup. Need it?

HKr1 · June 30th, 2009, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noche_caliente

wiring diagram for all models is in the service manual - seems that Indonesia is different than our bikes too...

Yeah, what do they have.... a parking light

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banzai

Yup. Need it?

PM sent

noche_caliente · June 30th, 2009, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKr1

Yeah, what do they have.... a parking light

That's who has it! I saw the cutout for it in our headlight, but couldn't figure out where it came from! I want one!!!!

delvey91 · July 1st, 2009, 03:08 PM

I had the new CDI fitted today and the problem is gone

I dont know if the MPG has improved has havent done enough miles.

kkim · July 1st, 2009, 03:11 PM

That's great news, Jack!

Now, can you get someone at Kawasaki of EU to kick somebody's a$$ over at Kawasaki US?

HKr1 · July 1st, 2009, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noche_caliente

That's who has it! I saw the cutout for it in our headlight, but couldn't figure out where it came from! I want one!!!!

I got the parking lights on my camaro. There on some overseas Hella Halogens, I got them coming on with the oem parking lights. Also made a voltage regulator so they run on 6 volts. Gives them a nice gold look

City lights, thats what there called.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by delvey91

I had the new CDI fitted today and the problem is gone

New CDI, must be some custom install???

delvey91 · July 2nd, 2009, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKr1

New CDI, must be some custom install???

I meant ECU

June 28th, 2009, 09:42 AM	#1
delvey91 Fuel Injection FTW Name: Jack Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): Old:2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R New:99 ZX6R 'G2' Posts: 32	Rev meter Problem Hiya guys, Got a annoying problem with my rev counter, Every time i rev past 9,000 the rev neddle stops for a split second and then carrys on rising up to 12,000 like normal, Its really annoying as you can see it out the corner of your eye whislt riding. It has nothing to do with the engine speed as this sounds fine __________________________________________________ 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R 'G2' Got: Powerbronze Irdium Screen, Powerbronze Rear Hugger, A.R.T Racing Slip on can

June 28th, 2009, 10:18 AM	#2
komohana ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Steve Location: Kekaha, Kauai HI Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 GSX-R 600 2003 EX250: Woodcraft Bars, Levers, Mirrors, Shim'd Mixture, Synthetic, '08 Rear Shock Posts: A lot.	i had this happen to me on a different motorcycle, and older honda 'ceptor, and it the motor eventually began to cut out with the rpm drops. come to find out it was a spark unit going bad. not saying it's that here, but wanted to share the similarity. __________________________________________________ Remember when sex was safe and motorcycles were dangerous?

June 28th, 2009, 10:30 AM	#4
komohana ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Steve Location: Kekaha, Kauai HI Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 GSX-R 600 2003 EX250: Woodcraft Bars, Levers, Mirrors, Shim'd Mixture, Synthetic, '08 Rear Shock Posts: A lot.	yes...they were just smaller than a cigg. pack. said tach got signal from there on the honda. __________________________________________________ Remember when sex was safe and motorcycles were dangerous?

June 28th, 2009, 01:57 PM	#6
delvey91 Fuel Injection FTW Name: Jack Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): Old:2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R New:99 ZX6R 'G2' Posts: 32	Ah thanks very much, It seems thats my problem, I have been getting worse petrol mileage. It used to do 220 miles to a tank and now its only doing 170 So i need a new one of these. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KAWASAKI-ZX250...3%3A1\|294%3A50 __________________________________________________ 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R 'G2' Got: Powerbronze Irdium Screen, Powerbronze Rear Hugger, A.R.T Racing Slip on can

June 28th, 2009, 05:28 PM	#7
Banzai Psychic war veteran Name: Thomas Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Kawi Green '09 Ninja ZX6R Posts: 663	Perhaps not, might be something else going on. Yours is the first FI bike I've heard of having the CDI problem. ????? This bears looking into! __________________________________________________ * If you're arguing with some idiot over the internet, chances are pretty good he's doing the same thing! Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction

June 29th, 2009, 08:40 AM	#9
Banzai Psychic war veteran Name: Thomas Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Kawi Green '09 Ninja ZX6R Posts: 663	Our CDI controls our coils, true, and the ECM in the FI bikes is just an expanded version of our CDI with a few more computer chips. I'll take a look at the wiring diagram for the FI bikes later and see what kind of commonality there is. Whatever the FI bikes call it, it'll control the fuel injection as well as the timing curves for the ignition. __________________________________________________ * If you're arguing with some idiot over the internet, chances are pretty good he's doing the same thing! Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction

June 29th, 2009, 10:47 AM	#10
delvey91 Fuel Injection FTW Name: Jack Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): Old:2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R New:99 ZX6R 'G2' Posts: 32	Apparently it is a problem with FI bikes.... I went to my local dealers today as my bikes still under warranty and explained to the technician the problem etc. He said he has had the same problem on two other bikes that have been used all through the winter months like mine. Apparently the inside of ECU becomes condensated and upsets the electric gizmos etc. I am having the new one fitted on wednesday so i will see if that cures the problem. The guy seemed pretty sure it would though. Thank god for the 2 year warranty __________________________________________________ 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R 'G2' Got: Powerbronze Irdium Screen, Powerbronze Rear Hugger, A.R.T Racing Slip on can

June 29th, 2009, 12:32 PM	#12
Rayme ninjette.org guru Name: Remy Location: Moncton Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '04 sv650s Posts: 438	These needs to be seriously better ventilated if it holds true.. woah !!! I've put 3000 KM on my bike and I think I got that problem (carburator version) with the CDI. I was driving at 120 KM and RPM was indicating 9000 RPM +, where it should have been lower (around 8300-8400) like usual because I got a larger sprocket up front. Only happened once on a particulary hot day... I'm out of warrenty, if I get more problem I'll adress the ventilation with some mods. __________________________________________________ There's 2 types of people in this world, those who complain and those who act.

June 29th, 2009, 05:52 PM	#13
Banzai Psychic war veteran Name: Thomas Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Kawi Green '09 Ninja ZX6R Posts: 663	After reviewing the wiring diagram for the FI bikes, the tach gets it's signal directly from the ECU. It is NOT in parallel with the signal to the coil like it is with the carb bikes. __________________________________________________ * If you're arguing with some idiot over the internet, chances are pretty good he's doing the same thing! Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction

June 29th, 2009, 09:19 PM	#14
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	i get it every so often at 8K, for a split second, wouldn't feel it if i didn't see the needle stop. unable to recreate on demand.

June 30th, 2009, 03:09 PM	#16
noche_caliente ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kim Location: mundo de ensueño Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: A lot.	wiring diagram for all models is in the service manual - seems that Indonesia is different than our bikes too... __________________________________________________ Progrip tank pad, blue rim stripes, blue Pazzos, Roaring Toyz lowering kit, Puig DB in dark smoke, Cortech sport tail, super mini tank, and saddlebags, OES swingarm spools and Intuitive frame sliders

July 1st, 2009, 03:08 PM	#20
delvey91 Fuel Injection FTW Name: Jack Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): Old:2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R New:99 ZX6R 'G2' Posts: 32	I had the new CDI fitted today and the problem is gone I dont know if the MPG has improved has havent done enough miles. __________________________________________________ 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R 'G2' Got: Powerbronze Irdium Screen, Powerbronze Rear Hugger, A.R.T Racing Slip on can

July 1st, 2009, 03:11 PM	#21
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	That's great news, Jack! Now, can you get someone at Kawasaki of EU to kick somebody's a$$ over at Kawasaki US?

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