recording track laps via gps

oblivion007 · November 2nd, 2012, 09:47 AM

So I would like to know if and how you guys record your laps at the track. Me first.

I've tried it the second time I was at the track but I got bad info. I'm using an android apps. Gpsspeedometer gives a bad gpx file (missing the ending tags).

Recently I found 'my tracks' and 'gpslogger' that allow you to set the rate at which your device samples your position. Going to test them out today and use the better of the two at the track tomorrow.

alex.s · November 2nd, 2012, 10:13 AM

i have trackmaster app for android but the signal has to be consistent which means it cant be inside the suit (doesn't get gps through that meat bag of a body) or has to be on your back or on the bike somewhere. they have super fancy gauges with gps built in that manages all that **** for you... you can also have someone stand next to start/finish with a stopwatch.

if you are racing they time laps for you

csmith12 · November 2nd, 2012, 10:21 AM

Get one....

csmith12 · November 2nd, 2012, 11:04 AM

I have tried them all. The gps on phones just plain out sucks for this and the setup is picky. See here for a setup using trackmasters that has been vetted.

csmith12 · November 2nd, 2012, 11:08 AM

Next season, if I have any $$ left, I am going to upgrade my contour the gps model. I was told it was pretty good for this and takes out a lot of the complexity to match it with the video.

alex.s · November 2nd, 2012, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

I have tried them all. The gps on phones just plain out sucks for this and the setup is picky. See here for a setup using trackmasters that has been vetted.

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csmith12 · November 2nd, 2012, 01:42 PM

My bad... http://www.assfaultjunkies.com/showt...ight=telemetry

oblivion007 · November 2nd, 2012, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

My bad... http://www.assfaultjunkies.com/showt...ight=telemetry

That's a sweet setup! My budget will be small for about a year or so

so I got to stick to phone for now. I'm really considering getting the bluetooth reciever if the I can't get the sampling rate I want.

oblivion007 · November 3rd, 2012, 08:24 AM

Headed out to the track instead of doing my homework that was due last night. On my way out. Hope this phone works well and that I pick up skills! Enjoy the day guys.

csmith12 · November 3rd, 2012, 08:37 AM

I expect a full report! lol Graphs, charts ect... Enjoy!

Look for a female rider on a cbr with an "assfaultjunkies" sticker. Tell her reactor says hi!

Gurk · November 3rd, 2012, 10:12 AM

I kinda went full on and got the XT Racing GPX Pro 8. Expensive as hell but I got rid of my OEM Gauge cluster so selling that will at least recoup some dollar back. Reason I went all out is cause 1= I don't wanna mount my phone on the bike. As Alex said, inside suit is no go. Go pro clusters the bike enough, I don't wanna mount another thing on it. 2= I didn't wanna go beacon route. I know I'll end up losing them or forgetting them on track constantly.

I wired the GPX in to be powered off of the bike. It shows me lap times (duh), throttle %, gear position, RPMs, Brake on/off, Speed. Do I need all that? Nah... Is it awesome? yes.

oblivion007 · November 3rd, 2012, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

I expect a full report! lol Graphs, charts ect... Enjoy!

Look for a female rider on a cbr with an "assfaultjunkies" sticker. Tell her reactor says hi!

Ah sorry, didn't read the message but I think mayybe I saw who you're talking about. Does she have a pit bull?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gurk

I kinda went full on and got the XT Racing GPX Pro 8. Expensive as hell but I got rid of my OEM Gauge cluster so selling that will at least recoup some dollar back. Reason I went all out is cause 1= I don't wanna mount my phone on the bike. As Alex said, inside suit is no go. Go pro clusters the bike enough, I don't wanna mount another thing on it. 2= I didn't wanna go beacon route. I know I'll end up losing them or forgetting them on track constantly.

I wired the GPX in to be powered off of the bike. It shows me lap times (duh), throttle %, gear position, RPMs, Brake on/off, Speed. Do I need all that? Nah... Is it awesome? yes.

Haha sounds awesome. My phone didn't do to good, it was very intermittent but much better than the data I got before. I think I can record lap times, and average speeds. No instantaneous speeds though. I'll pull up the info now and mess with it.

e;\ seems like my lap times are in the 1:40's. 3 track days so far.

csmith12 · November 4th, 2012, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oblivion007

Ah sorry, didn't read the message but I think maybe I saw who you're talking about. Does she have a pit bull?

I think so, I will see if I can dig up a pic.

oblivion007 · November 4th, 2012, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

I think so, I will see if I can dig up a pic.

I should probably mention that by pit bull I mean a dog, not the rear or front stands.

Domagoj · November 5th, 2012, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gurk

I kinda went full on and got the XT Racing GPX Pro 8. Expensive as hell but I got rid of my OEM Gauge cluster so selling that will at least recoup some dollar back. Reason I went all out is cause 1= I don't wanna mount my phone on the bike. As Alex said, inside suit is no go. Go pro clusters the bike enough, I don't wanna mount another thing on it. 2= I didn't wanna go beacon route. I know I'll end up losing them or forgetting them on track constantly.

I wired the GPX in to be powered off of the bike. It shows me lap times (duh), throttle %, gear position, RPMs, Brake on/off, Speed. Do I need all that? Nah... Is it awesome? yes.

What is the difference between gpx pro 4 and 8? Except $100 price difference.

Are there any other products that allow for removing of stock gauges?

Gurk · November 5th, 2012, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Domagoj

What is the difference between gpx pro 4 and 8? Except $100 price difference.

Are there any other products that allow for removing of stock gauges?

I believe 8 has 8 data inputs while 4 has 4. if 4 is all you need just go for that one.

there's other units like gpx but there's also full on dashboards. they look more like gauge clusters which is pretty cool. I didn't research much at the time and I wasn't planing on replacing my dashboard. If i did it again I'd totally get a full on race dashboard.

Starlane comes to mind.. They are crazy expensive though. Kevin showed me a brand once they look pretty cool and like half the price of starlane. Forgot what it was.

Calling @Kevin2109

Kevin2109 · November 5th, 2012, 10:48 AM

Trans logic

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Domagoj · November 6th, 2012, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

Trans logic

http://www.translogicuk.com/

Thanks!

psych0hans · November 6th, 2012, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

Trans logic

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At 600$ how can anyone consider this to be "cheap"?

Dmj_88 · November 26th, 2012, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gurk

Starlane comes to mind.. They are crazy expensive though. Kevin showed me a brand once they look pretty cool and like half the price of starlane. Forgot what it was.

Calling @Kevin2109

Dmj_88 · November 26th, 2012, 10:16 AM

I use an XT lap timer on my R6 but would be interested on a dash replacement unit...

Gurk · November 26th, 2012, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psych0hans

At 600$ how can anyone consider this to be "cheap"?

it's cheap when everything else that does the same exact thing is $1200

Aufitt · December 22nd, 2012, 11:45 PM

This just turned up on Friday-

I just love the smell of Taiwanese cardboard in the morning.

Alex · December 22nd, 2012, 11:48 PM

Nice!

cbinker · December 22nd, 2012, 11:57 PM

does anyone use an iphone? I am going to down load the track day pro, it is $19.99

psych0hans · December 23rd, 2012, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

does anyone use an iphone? I am going to down load the track day pro, it is $19.99

If you're planning on using your iPhone, make sure to buy an external GPS receiver as the iPhone hardware is too slow for accurate readings.

csmith12 · December 23rd, 2012, 08:18 AM

The iphone is ok for your canyon stuff but not the track. I reviewed some of my sessions and went 200mph. lol Hans is right, the lag in the GPS is just not accurate enough. However, it is better than nothing.

allanoue · December 23rd, 2012, 10:28 AM

Does anyone have experiences with the "Diablo Super" app for andriod phones?

csmith12 · December 23rd, 2012, 06:03 PM

Yep, me and a riding buddy both use that app on our Sunday rides. Depending on your phones GPS lag it does an ok job for canyons. His shows 150mph every now and then when we are in the hills of the KY. I use it for iphone and it's the same deal.

Aufitt · December 24th, 2012, 02:42 AM

You need 10Hz for accuracy,

a phone MIGHT give 1Hz... between dropouts.

there is a 10% error right there and when you are chasing 1/10ths a phone is as good as **** on a bull.

csmith12 · December 24th, 2012, 07:26 AM

A buddy of mine has the GPS version of the contour camera. He says the GPS telemetry is amazing (for a camera) but has to be put together via software after the fact. I will ask him to give me the lowdown on that and post an update.

cbinker · December 24th, 2012, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Yep, me and a riding buddy both use that app on our Sunday rides. Depending on your phones GPS lag it does an ok job for canyons. His shows 150mph every now and then when we are in the hills of the KY. I use it for iphone and it's the same deal.

when i used my samsung galaxay on my 250 at the track last summer, i got up to 130 mph according to the phone. The times are pretty accurate.

Cab305 · December 24th, 2012, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aufitt

This just turned up on Friday-

I just love the smell of Taiwanese cardboard in the morning.

Now that you have the unit, you can make it portable. You don't need the software anymore. My company offers a cloud version, authorized by Q-starz.

Protrackguides.com

Check out our facebook page https://www.facebook.com/ProTrackGuides
For our latest updates. We have been developing the system with riding/driving schools across the country. We've been developing with Yamaha Riding Academy, PerisRacing, Shane Lewis(AMG U.S. head instructor) the system works on bikes and cars. Also a feature that we are currently working on with MX guys, is altitude readings for accurate jump heights. Good stuff... pm me if you have any questions.

Aufitt · December 24th, 2012, 12:33 PM

I have not used this QStarz gps & QRacing software yet but will be at Barbs on the 30th Dec, and Collie 20th Jan.
Hopefully i can import all the old racechrono data, compare previous cbr(MC41) laps with Ninja and a cbr250rr(MC22), and some testing between different riders swapping bikes.

November 2nd, 2012, 09:47 AM	#1
oblivion007 "scandal!" Name: Adan Location: Somewhere Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 250R(Crashed 2/26/2014), 09 ER6n Posts: 660	recording track laps via gps So I would like to know if and how you guys record your laps at the track. Me first. I've tried it the second time I was at the track but I got bad info. I'm using an android apps. Gpsspeedometer gives a bad gpx file (missing the ending tags). Recently I found 'my tracks' and 'gpslogger' that allow you to set the rate at which your device samples your position. Going to test them out today and use the better of the two at the track tomorrow.

November 2nd, 2012, 10:13 AM	#2
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i have trackmaster app for android but the signal has to be consistent which means it cant be inside the suit (doesn't get gps through that meat bag of a body) or has to be on your back or on the bike somewhere. they have super fancy gauges with gps built in that manages all that **** for you... you can also have someone stand next to start/finish with a stopwatch. if you are racing they time laps for you __________________________________________________

November 2nd, 2012, 10:21 AM	#3
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Get one.... __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

November 2nd, 2012, 11:04 AM	#4
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	I have tried them all. The gps on phones just plain out sucks for this and the setup is picky. See here for a setup using trackmasters that has been vetted. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

November 2nd, 2012, 11:08 AM	#5
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Next season, if I have any $$ left, I am going to upgrade my contour the gps model. I was told it was pretty good for this and takes out a lot of the complexity to match it with the video. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

November 2nd, 2012, 01:42 PM	#7
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	My bad... http://www.assfaultjunkies.com/showt...ight=telemetry __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

November 3rd, 2012, 08:24 AM	#9
oblivion007 "scandal!" Name: Adan Location: Somewhere Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 250R(Crashed 2/26/2014), 09 ER6n Posts: 660	Headed out to the track instead of doing my homework that was due last night. On my way out. Hope this phone works well and that I pick up skills! Enjoy the day guys.

November 3rd, 2012, 08:37 AM	#10
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	I expect a full report! lol Graphs, charts ect... Enjoy! Look for a female rider on a cbr with an "assfaultjunkies" sticker. Tell her reactor says hi! __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

November 3rd, 2012, 10:12 AM	#11
Gurk Done here. Name: - Location: Track Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	I kinda went full on and got the XT Racing GPX Pro 8. Expensive as hell but I got rid of my OEM Gauge cluster so selling that will at least recoup some dollar back. Reason I went all out is cause 1= I don't wanna mount my phone on the bike. As Alex said, inside suit is no go. Go pro clusters the bike enough, I don't wanna mount another thing on it. 2= I didn't wanna go beacon route. I know I'll end up losing them or forgetting them on track constantly. I wired the GPX in to be powered off of the bike. It shows me lap times (duh), throttle %, gear position, RPMs, Brake on/off, Speed. Do I need all that? Nah... Is it awesome? yes.

November 5th, 2012, 10:48 AM	#17
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November 26th, 2012, 10:16 AM	#21
Dmj_88 ninjette.org member Name: Drew Location: Midwest Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Many Posts: 68	I use an XT lap timer on my R6 but would be interested on a dash replacement unit...

December 22nd, 2012, 11:45 PM	#23
Aufitt The A Team Name: Aufitt Location: Western Australia Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Z50, CB125, RZ500, MC22, R3. Posts: 394	This just turned up on Friday- I just love the smell of Taiwanese cardboard in the morning.

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December 22nd, 2012, 11:57 PM	#25
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December 23rd, 2012, 08:18 AM	#27
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	The iphone is ok for your canyon stuff but not the track. I reviewed some of my sessions and went 200mph. lol Hans is right, the lag in the GPS is just not accurate enough. However, it is better than nothing. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 23rd, 2012, 10:28 AM	#28
allanoue ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Al Location: York, Pa Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300..............2008 Ninja 500-sold...2009 Ninja 250-Crashed Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '14	Does anyone have experiences with the "Diablo Super" app for andriod phones?

December 23rd, 2012, 06:03 PM	#29
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Yep, me and a riding buddy both use that app on our Sunday rides. Depending on your phones GPS lag it does an ok job for canyons. His shows 150mph every now and then when we are in the hills of the KY. I use it for iphone and it's the same deal. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 24th, 2012, 02:42 AM	#30
Aufitt The A Team Name: Aufitt Location: Western Australia Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Z50, CB125, RZ500, MC22, R3. Posts: 394	You need 10Hz for accuracy, a phone MIGHT give 1Hz... between dropouts. there is a 10% error right there and when you are chasing 1/10ths a phone is as good as **** on a bull.

December 24th, 2012, 07:26 AM	#31
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	A buddy of mine has the GPS version of the contour camera. He says the GPS telemetry is amazing (for a camera) but has to be put together via software after the fact. I will ask him to give me the lowdown on that and post an update. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 24th, 2012, 12:33 PM	#34
Aufitt The A Team Name: Aufitt Location: Western Australia Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Z50, CB125, RZ500, MC22, R3. Posts: 394	I have not used this QStarz gps & QRacing software yet but will be at Barbs on the 30th Dec, and Collie 20th Jan. Hopefully i can import all the old racechrono data, compare previous cbr(MC41) laps with Ninja and a cbr250rr(MC22), and some testing between different riders swapping bikes.

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