April 2nd, 2021, 12:04 AM | #1 |
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Carburetor hoses problem
Hey guys I’m extremely new to motorcycles, and I have no clue what this hose on top of the carburetor is meant to be connected to.
A bit of backstory, I bought a 2011 Kawasaki ninja 250r from someone who buys bikes from auctions. The same way I buy my cars from auctions and fix them. The issue with bike that it had was it only runs with the choke full on. I did a oil change, change the spark plugs, and cleaned the carb, and it made minimal difference. So I accepted defeat and started from scratch again and pulled the carb once again to clean it again. After reading for hours digging in threads from before I was born, I could find nothing on where this hose is meant to go, or a solution for my issue. I’ve cleaned the carb once again very well, and turned both mixture screws all the way in and then 2.5 turns out. To try to help with the issue about the bike only running with choke on. But I cannot for the love of me find out where this hose is meant to go, so please please please someone enlighten me with ya wisdom, and let me know, I’ll lnclude a picture. I cannot find any accurate diagrams, because all the ones I find are for the California models, and this is not one. AD46BF71-5FFB-4812-AFCF-727D96F7292A.jpg 67A463F1-7B3A-4D80-8C93-E484C2055609.jpg |
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April 3rd, 2021, 04:29 AM | #2 |
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That's a vent that doesn't connect to anything on the open end. It routes back and down to the bottom of the bike.
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April 3rd, 2021, 06:03 AM | #3 |
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if you've plugged the vent hose, obviously remove the plug and allow the hose to breathe
"only runs with the choke full on" this indicates clogged jets and/or passages
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April 3rd, 2021, 06:47 AM | #4 |
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Welcome to the board, Ab!
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April 3rd, 2021, 09:47 AM | #5 | |
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The next question I have is should i increase the air fuel mixture to be able to run with the choke completely off. The screws are currently at 2.5 turns out from all the way in. Or is it something I should do to help, or is the bike supposed to run with choke slightly engaged? |
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April 3rd, 2021, 10:29 AM | #6 |
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Cleaning the jets is only a part of cleaning these carburetors. I believe that you won't get it to run right until you've gotten every small passage clean... and there are several.
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April 3rd, 2021, 02:35 PM | #7 |
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Every passage is pretty clean, the bike only got like 3000 miles on it, it was not terribly dirty at all before I cleaned it. I’m not gonna lie I’m getting pretty fast at dissembling the bike, I’m proud of myself. Only thing I have not done with cleaning the carb, is letting it soak overnight in that cleaner solution like I’ve been seeing in videos. Is this a crucial step? If so I wouldn’t mind taking it apart again, because I have to look for a blown fuse or loose connection, electrical been acting up lately.
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April 3rd, 2021, 05:08 PM | #8 |
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I doubt if that would do much good. You'd be surprised at what it takes to get these carbs truly clean. I've done my own carb work all my life, but when it came time to refurb the ones on my 250 I sent them to Ducatiman, who restored them to new condition. Suddenly it started easier and ran much better, particularly at low throttle. I believe one of the steps he takes involves an ultrasonic cleaner.
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April 5th, 2021, 06:05 PM | #9 | |
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Nothing, I have 2 apart right now but I recall it runs past the airbox and goes like under the gas tank bar with the 10mm's on it. Like 99% sure. The first time I cleaned these carbs I had to redo it. You should see light down each jet, main and 2ndary when looking through them into a light. Your carb spray should spray through them full power. Run a copper strand from a wire through them to get any gunk out. Spray through all the ports to make sure it squirts out some other end(this is explained in detail in one of the guides) but i just hit every entrance and exit with cleaner.
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April 21st, 2021, 05:58 AM | #10 |
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I thought that I read somewhere that on these years, one is set to 2.5 turns, the other 3 or 3.5...
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April 21st, 2021, 06:20 AM | #11 |
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IMHO....2.5, 3, 3.5 whatever....is truly a starting point. Setting each for highest RPM, finding its' "sweet spot" while hot, running, is the true platform for fine performance. Of course, starting with truly clear jets and circuits is critical here.
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June 7th, 2021, 10:43 AM | #12 |
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Similer problem
Mine only has 9000 miles on it. I Idle on high but everyting else is a fail. On mine with so much testing, dunking in part cleaner. full dissassembly/ rebuild. untrasonic cleaner. everything.... and same problem.
i believe i have a vaccume leak somewhere. that would mess with the mixture going into the carb or lack there of. if you can get it to idle low ish, and spray some sea foam, or hell carosene gas (NOT LIT) around your hoses and connectors, and notice an RPM spike BOOM theres your vac leak. where i suspect mine is a lil tricky. i think its between the carbs on the O rings. This way you have something else to test instead of repeat continuouse cleaning over and over again. |
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June 7th, 2021, 01:10 PM | #13 |
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Carefully inspect the 2 vac hoses between carbs. if they are loose while cold, bingo, for sure they'll leak when hot (running).
Also check the short vac hose at the base of the decel valve. While there, check the actual decel valve for free in/out movement. I've found combos of all these to be problematic in the past. Of course, I'm always at your service if need be.
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