Bike not starting?!

nightrider · August 22nd, 2011, 01:14 PM

I tried to jump start it, did not work. Push start did not work. Tried placing a battery from my cousins bike that is running perfectly into mine, and it did not start. Although when it was connected for the jump start or connected to my cousins bike the electronics all came on. This bike has been sitting around for 2 years after a front end collision although it is all still intact and no visible damage other than cosmetic damage. It hasn't been ridden and had gas in it since the crash. Could someone help me out with this problem? what could be the issue? or issues?

CThunder-blue · August 22nd, 2011, 01:46 PM

You need to take out the carbs and clean them out. When it sits for that long, fuel will gum up the carbs and prevent ignition.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44330

tons more info on the DIY page http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5586

CC Cowboy · August 22nd, 2011, 01:50 PM

Kill Switch?

nightrider · August 22nd, 2011, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC Cowboy

Kill Switch?

Nah that is good. Think its the carbs.

nightrider · August 22nd, 2011, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

You need to take out the carbs and clean them out. When it sits for that long, fuel will gum up the carbs and prevent ignition.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44330

tons more info on the DIY page http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5586

Would it cause the bike to not even turnover with a fresh battery?

setasai · August 22nd, 2011, 09:21 PM

Fuses? I was gonna say kill switch but fuses are the next thing down to check. If the engine turns over then the battery is fine and then next would be to check the carbs.

nightrider · August 22nd, 2011, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by setasai

Fuses? I was gonna say kill switch but fuses are the next thing down to check. If the engine turns over then the battery is fine and then next would be to check the carbs.

fuses are good engine is not turning over :/ even with a fresh battery

Cuongism · August 23rd, 2011, 06:34 AM

If it sat with gas in it for 2 years, your jets are definitely gummed up.

CThunder-blue · August 23rd, 2011, 07:58 AM

If it's not even attempting to crank, then it's one of your safety switches. Kickstand, neutral, or .... I can't remember the 3rd one. Anyone?

nightrider · August 23rd, 2011, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

If it's not even attempting to crank, then it's one of your safety switches. Kickstand, neutral, or .... I can't remember the 3rd one. Anyone?

How do I check which one it is, I am very new to riding and don't know much ATM. Any help on how to get this bike goin or even to turnover would be appreciated

CThunder-blue · August 23rd, 2011, 09:35 AM

So, the first question is: Does it crank?

setasai · August 23rd, 2011, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

If it's not even attempting to crank, then it's one of your safety switches. Kickstand, neutral, or .... I can't remember the 3rd one. Anyone?

Clutch?

Crank = yes: carbs most likely
Crank= no: one of the switches or battery or fuse

Alex · August 23rd, 2011, 10:13 AM

Safety switches are clutch, kickstand, neutral, and kill switch.

CThunder-blue · August 23rd, 2011, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by setasai

Clutch?

Crank = yes: carbs most likely
Crank= no: one of the switches or battery or fuse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Safety switches are clutch, kickstand, neutral, and kill switch.

Thanks. I thought it was clutch, but wasn't 100% sure. Alex, maybe if you get a moment, you could take pics of the various switches? This questions seems to pop up a lot. Maybe a quick wiki?

Alex · August 23rd, 2011, 10:15 AM

Next time the bike is out in the sun, sure. I don't know where the neutral switch is, but the other 3 are easy to view.

LazinCajun · August 23rd, 2011, 11:44 AM

The neutral switch is buried above the front sprocket on the left side. It's labeled as #8 in the picture below (this is from the service manual, page 16-16). Another good way to find it is to look at the OEM part diagrams: it's part number 13151. (See for example http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model...semblies/25695) It's been a while since I had to deal with my neutral switch, but IIRC if the neutral light comes on and goes off appropriately I *think* it's ok.

To get to it, you definitely have to take off the front sprocket cover. There's a connector that plugs into it like in the following picture (labeled as #1):

nightrider · August 23rd, 2011, 09:44 PM

all your help is appreciated my cousin took a look at the switchs they are fine so are the fuses. SOmeone said to me it could be the tip over sensor since the bike was in front end collission.Anyone know about this?

Cuongism · August 23rd, 2011, 09:45 PM

I'm 99% positive that the 250 doesn't have a tip over sensor since it's carbed.

Alex · August 23rd, 2011, 09:46 PM

No tip-over sensor on these bikes.

nightrider · August 23rd, 2011, 10:36 PM

in that case then it would have to be one of the switchs since it doesnt turnover, and isn't the neutral since the neutral light comes on. how do i check the other two

ninja250 · August 23rd, 2011, 10:52 PM

continuity tester to check switches.
"Beep them out".

CThunder-blue · August 24th, 2011, 07:54 AM

At least with the kickstand switch, you can tell just by pulling it up and trying to start the bike. Easy way to knock it off the list. Neutral switch is a kill switch. The neutral light is just an indicator telling you it's in neutral. I don't think they sit on the same circuit. Although I'm not looking at the manual so I could be wrong.

setasai · August 24th, 2011, 09:29 AM

You still havent answered us if it cranks or clicks at all. A new battery that isnt fully charged will still click (starter is ok) but wont crank (battery dead).

CThunder-blue · August 24th, 2011, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightrider

Tried placing a battery from my cousins bike that is running perfectly into mine, and it did not start. Although when it was connected for the jump start or connected to my cousins bike the electronics all came on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by setasai

You still havent answered us if it cranks or clicks at all. A new battery that isnt fully charged will still click (starter is ok) but wont crank (battery dead).

From his original post, it looks like they tried another battery and that didn't solve the problem.

LazinCajun · August 24th, 2011, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

At least with the kickstand switch, you can tell just by pulling it up and trying to start the bike. Easy way to knock it off the list. Neutral switch is a kill switch. The neutral light is just an indicator telling you it's in neutral. I don't think they sit on the same circuit. Although I'm not looking at the manual so I could be wrong.

I've got a little free time, so I'll dig through the service manual. I just had the impression that when I had neutral indicator problems a couple years ago, the bike would start while in gear when the neutral indicator was on, so I assumed that the same switch connects to the starter and neutral indicator circuits.

Update:
The service manual recommends inspecting the neutral switch if the neutral indicator on the dash doesn't light up when you start, so they are on the same circuit.

However, in the official inspection section, the manual recommends testing continuity to ground. The switch should have continuity with ground when the bike is in neutral (continuity means ~0 ohms resistance on a multimeter connected to the switch + ground.) Conversely, there should be a nonzero resistance reading when the bike is in gear.

CThunder-blue · August 24th, 2011, 10:16 AM

Thanks Trey, good to know!

ninja250 · August 24th, 2011, 10:39 AM

Quote:

testing continuity

Told ya so.

nightrider · August 24th, 2011, 11:10 AM

Hey guys all your input is appreciated. And i thought i said it does not turnover in a post earlier, but yeah it isnt cranking at all. Did the switch tests and they are all good, I'm about to push this over to the mechanic right now, I'll be sure to let you all know what was up with it. Thanks

LazinCajun · August 24th, 2011, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja250

Told ya so.

Can you give any scenarios in which the neutral indicator works properly, but the neutral switch causes the starter logic to fail? I sure can't.

CZroe · September 5th, 2011, 02:56 PM

Where is the clutch sensor/switch? My bike only starts in neutral but I can cruise around all I want after that, so it's not the kickstand switch.

Alex · September 5th, 2011, 04:20 PM

It's touching the clutch lever when the lever is fully released. As you pull in the lever to the bar, the little pin pops out.

nightrider · September 5th, 2011, 04:43 PM

Hey guys got the bike back apparently the relay was unplugged and also the sparkplugs were dead from sitting for 2 years. Thanks for your input. finally riding this baby

Alex · September 5th, 2011, 04:44 PM

Good to hear! Glad it's up and running.

August 22nd, 2011, 01:46 PM	#2
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	You need to take out the carbs and clean them out. When it sits for that long, fuel will gum up the carbs and prevent ignition. http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44330 tons more info on the DIY page http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5586 __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

August 22nd, 2011, 01:50 PM	#3
CC Cowboy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Whodat Location: Ware Is.,MA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): I pass the wind! Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '13, Jun '14	Kill Switch? __________________________________________________ If everything seems under control; you're just not going fast enough!

August 23rd, 2011, 07:58 AM	#9
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	If it's not even attempting to crank, then it's one of your safety switches. Kickstand, neutral, or .... I can't remember the 3rd one. Anyone? __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

August 23rd, 2011, 09:35 AM	#11
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	So, the first question is: Does it crank? __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

August 23rd, 2011, 10:13 AM	#13
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Safety switches are clutch, kickstand, neutral, and kill switch. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 22nd, 2011, 01:14 PM	#1
nightrider ninjette.org member Name: Paul Location: Mississauga Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Black '09 Kawasaki Ninja 250 Posts: 51	Bike not starting?! I tried to jump start it, did not work. Push start did not work. Tried placing a battery from my cousins bike that is running perfectly into mine, and it did not start. Although when it was connected for the jump start or connected to my cousins bike the electronics all came on. This bike has been sitting around for 2 years after a front end collision although it is all still intact and no visible damage other than cosmetic damage. It hasn't been ridden and had gas in it since the crash. Could someone help me out with this problem? what could be the issue? or issues?

August 22nd, 2011, 09:21 PM	#6
setasai ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Brian Location: Detroit, MI Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Green Posts: A lot.	Fuses? I was gonna say kill switch but fuses are the next thing down to check. If the engine turns over then the battery is fine and then next would be to check the carbs.

August 23rd, 2011, 06:34 AM	#8
Cuongism ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cuong Location: San Diego Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, 2007 Daytona 675 Posts: A lot.	If it sat with gas in it for 2 years, your jets are definitely gummed up.

August 23rd, 2011, 10:15 AM	#15
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Next time the bike is out in the sun, sure. I don't know where the neutral switch is, but the other 3 are easy to view. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 23rd, 2011, 11:44 AM	#16
LazinCajun ninjette.org guru Name: Anon Location: Atlanta, GA Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 (Blue!) Posts: 488	The neutral switch is buried above the front sprocket on the left side. It's labeled as #8 in the picture below (this is from the service manual, page 16-16). Another good way to find it is to look at the OEM part diagrams: it's part number 13151. (See for example http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model...semblies/25695) It's been a while since I had to deal with my neutral switch, but IIRC if the neutral light comes on and goes off appropriately I think it's ok. To get to it, you definitely have to take off the front sprocket cover. There's a connector that plugs into it like in the following picture (labeled as #1):

August 23rd, 2011, 09:44 PM	#17
nightrider ninjette.org member Name: Paul Location: Mississauga Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Black '09 Kawasaki Ninja 250 Posts: 51	all your help is appreciated my cousin took a look at the switchs they are fine so are the fuses. SOmeone said to me it could be the tip over sensor since the bike was in front end collission.Anyone know about this?

August 23rd, 2011, 09:45 PM	#18
Cuongism ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cuong Location: San Diego Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, 2007 Daytona 675 Posts: A lot.	I'm 99% positive that the 250 doesn't have a tip over sensor since it's carbed.

August 23rd, 2011, 09:46 PM	#19
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	No tip-over sensor on these bikes. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 23rd, 2011, 10:36 PM	#20
nightrider ninjette.org member Name: Paul Location: Mississauga Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Black '09 Kawasaki Ninja 250 Posts: 51	in that case then it would have to be one of the switchs since it doesnt turnover, and isn't the neutral since the neutral light comes on. how do i check the other two

August 23rd, 2011, 10:52 PM	#21
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	continuity tester to check switches. "Beep them out". __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

August 24th, 2011, 07:54 AM	#22
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	At least with the kickstand switch, you can tell just by pulling it up and trying to start the bike. Easy way to knock it off the list. Neutral switch is a kill switch. The neutral light is just an indicator telling you it's in neutral. I don't think they sit on the same circuit. Although I'm not looking at the manual so I could be wrong. __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

August 24th, 2011, 09:29 AM	#23
setasai ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Brian Location: Detroit, MI Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Green Posts: A lot.	You still havent answered us if it cranks or clicks at all. A new battery that isnt fully charged will still click (starter is ok) but wont crank (battery dead).

August 24th, 2011, 10:16 AM	#26
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	Thanks Trey, good to know! __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

August 24th, 2011, 11:10 AM	#28
nightrider ninjette.org member Name: Paul Location: Mississauga Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Black '09 Kawasaki Ninja 250 Posts: 51	Hey guys all your input is appreciated. And i thought i said it does not turnover in a post earlier, but yeah it isnt cranking at all. Did the switch tests and they are all good, I'm about to push this over to the mechanic right now, I'll be sure to let you all know what was up with it. Thanks

September 5th, 2011, 02:56 PM	#30
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	Where is the clutch sensor/switch? My bike only starts in neutral but I can cruise around all I want after that, so it's not the kickstand switch.

September 5th, 2011, 04:20 PM	#31
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	It's touching the clutch lever when the lever is fully released. As you pull in the lever to the bar, the little pin pops out. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

September 5th, 2011, 04:43 PM	#32
nightrider ninjette.org member Name: Paul Location: Mississauga Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Black '09 Kawasaki Ninja 250 Posts: 51	Hey guys got the bike back apparently the relay was unplugged and also the sparkplugs were dead from sitting for 2 years. Thanks for your input. finally riding this baby

September 5th, 2011, 04:44 PM	#33
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Good to hear! Glad it's up and running. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

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