Do you leave any fairing bolts off?

rasta · October 26th, 2013, 08:20 PM

Some of the bolts/rivets on the side fairings are extremely annoying to install. Namely, these ones:

(picture courtesy of @akima's thread)

These are just a pain in the ass the put back in, so I don't do it anymore......anyone else leave anything off?

Boom King · October 26th, 2013, 08:37 PM

How are they annoying? Are they not catching the threads? Splain to me Lucy.

rasta · October 26th, 2013, 09:19 PM

In order to put them back, I have to bend my arms in ways that they're not meant to bend. If they were bolts you just screwed in, that'd be fine and dandy. But they're not. I need to get the nut on the inside of the fairing so the bolt can catch. And it's not very fun

tfkrocks · October 26th, 2013, 09:19 PM

I don't put bolts in because the rubber grommets rotted away and the holes won't hold bolts anymore lol.

ETA: I have none of the bolts that you're talking about on my bike

csmith12 · October 26th, 2013, 09:48 PM

I put those in on the street fairings on the ninja yes. However on other bikes and my R6, not so much. Zip ties are effin' awesome.

DmbShn41 · October 27th, 2013, 04:46 AM

Know what you mean OP. I have one on each side instead of two, thats all the farther I could get my hand into the nose sections, through the handle bars, etc. Anyone know of a good fix for that, or the replacement parts for the rubber grommet with nut inside?

Thanks~

mrb · October 27th, 2013, 05:26 AM

yup OP, having only one of the two in won't hurt you. Those darn little rubber things keep falling off when i put the bike back together too.

NevadaWolf · October 27th, 2013, 06:20 AM

Hurm, odd, those side ones catch easily for me. The two I hate putting back in are two plastic rivets on the bottom that connect the two lower cowlings. I've given up on the one in the front but the bottom two i futz with even though it's a PITA.

Boom King · October 27th, 2013, 09:37 AM

I gotcha. The rubber grommet holding the nut ripped on mine so the fairing bolt would never catch. I glued the rubber together but that only held up for one season.

rasta · October 27th, 2013, 01:55 PM

I think what I'll do is glue the nuts in place on the inside. That way I won't have to reach into the front end of the fairing

pdxdavid · October 27th, 2013, 04:18 PM

All mine rotted. I have not replaced them.

leed · October 27th, 2013, 04:21 PM

All you need is to replace the wellnuts. The size.. I don't remember -- take the little bolts to the hardware store to find the [metric] thread size -- from there most wellnuts are standard sized off that.

pdxdavid · October 27th, 2013, 04:25 PM

I believe they are 5mm well nuts. I had some ordered at fastenal but I never got the call of them arriving. I have heard the Ace Hardware may have them. I have not made it out to that area to have a look. If I find them. I will post back.

nickjpass · October 27th, 2013, 04:28 PM

Mine don't hold on the zx, and now something is buzzing, it's extremely annoying because I can't find the source.

DmbShn41 · October 27th, 2013, 05:43 PM

Never thought of gluing them in. What type of glue do you think would hold the best?

If it's 5mmx1.0 thread, it's so close to a 10-32 thread that either or can be used. That's an if though. Sometimes those are easily available.

rasta · October 27th, 2013, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmbShn41

Never thought of gluing them in. What type of glue do you think would hold the best?

I figured anything strong/waterproof would suffice..

DmbShn41 · October 28th, 2013, 04:16 AM

A quick search for 5mm wellnuts on eBay showed reasonable prices. $25 for an $18 with free shipping. Probably cheaper if you keep looking. Maybe those are better than what Kawi provides. Wonder if I could make some stainless threaded sleeves?

rasta · October 28th, 2013, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmbShn41

Wonder if I could make some stainless threaded sleeves?

You should find out, then send me some if it's successful

DmbShn41 · October 28th, 2013, 11:54 AM

I have access to a lathe, and material, but to make 20-30 for a bike would be a far stretch. Would probably have to thread the exterior so that it would hold inside plastic hole, and put a shoulder on it. Over tightening would probably break the plastics. I tend to over design things.

rasta · October 29th, 2013, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmbShn41

I have access to a lathe, and material, but to make 20-30 for a bike would be a far stretch. Would probably have to thread the exterior so that it would hold inside plastic hole, and put a shoulder on it. Over tightening would probably break the plastics. I tend to over design things.

20 or 30? You'd only need them for the bolts that require you to reach inside the front fairing. Most of the bolts are already easy to install, it's just the few I highlighted that are a b*tch. Unless I'm missing something, I'm admittedly not very handy :/

broilmebk · October 29th, 2013, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

Hurm, odd, those side ones catch easily for me. The two I hate putting back in are two plastic rivets on the bottom that connect the two lower cowlings. I've given up on the one in the front but the bottom two i futz with even though it's a PITA.

Mine catch fine too. I didn't know these were a problem?
I also feel your pain with those bottom rivets. Very frustrating.

rasta · October 31st, 2013, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broilmebk

Mine catch fine too. I didn't know these were a problem?
I also feel your pain with those bottom rivets. Very frustrating.

Ugh, those bottom rivets are annoying. I think I'd almost rather just use zip ties.

But when you're putting those bolts in (the ones I circled), you don't find it frustrating to maneuver your arms so you can get the nut on the inside of the fairing?

NevadaWolf · October 31st, 2013, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasta

Ugh, those bottom rivets are annoying. I think I'd almost rather just use zip ties.

But when you're putting those bolts in (the ones I circled), you don't find it frustrating to maneuver your arms so you can get the nut on the inside of the fairing?

That's where I am confused on this whole thread. I've never had to put my hand inside the fairing to get any of the bolts back on.

Oh wait a minute, are you saying you don't have wellnuts behind them so have to reach in to hold a regular nut on the back side of the tab so that the bolt will screw in? If you still have the tab, maybe the cost of the wellnut would be worth removing the hassle.

According to Kawasaki Parts House, it's this:

rasta · October 31st, 2013, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

That's where I am confused on this whole thread. I've never had to put my hand inside the fairing to get any of the bolts back on.

Oh wait a minute, are you saying you don't have wellnuts behind them so have to reach in to hold a regular nut on the back side of the tab so that the bolt will screw in? If you still have the tab, maybe the cost of the wellnut would be worth removing the hassle.....

Ummm this is the bolt/nuts I have...

Doesn't look like I have the right ones??

NevadaWolf · October 31st, 2013, 11:31 PM

Looks like you have the right ones (that's definitely the right bolt) but it doesn't look like you have all of the wellnut. Maybe, as others have commented, something has happened to the rubber to prevent it from staying in the tab it's supposed to be in. Like it rotted, or dried out, or maybe was over tightened at some point. Dunno.

Your's kinda looks like these..

I'm going to guess over tightened and you are just left with the rubber part that holds the gold nut and not the rubber part that goes into the tab on the lower cowling.

broilmebk · November 1st, 2013, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasta

Ummm this is the bolt/nuts I have...

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Doesn't look like I have the right ones??

Definitely. Sure looks like you don't have the right part, intact. I was confused about this whole thing as well, but several people chimed in with the same problem. I did realize at one point they all had '08s listed.

October 26th, 2013, 08:20 PM	#1
rasta Your face Name: Wes Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Honda CBR650f Posts: A lot.	Do you leave any fairing bolts off? Some of the bolts/rivets on the side fairings are extremely annoying to install. Namely, these ones: (picture courtesy of @akima's thread) These are just a pain in the ass the put back in, so I don't do it anymore......anyone else leave anything off?

October 26th, 2013, 09:19 PM	#4
tfkrocks ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rebecca Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 w/ ABS, 2014 NC700X, 2008 Ninja 250 (sold), 2002 Ninja 250 (sold) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '18, Sep '13	I don't put bolts in because the rubber grommets rotted away and the holes won't hold bolts anymore lol. ETA: I have none of the bolts that you're talking about on my bike Last futzed with by tfkrocks; October 27th, 2013 at 06:56 AM.

October 26th, 2013, 09:48 PM	#5
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	I put those in on the street fairings on the ninja yes. However on other bikes and my R6, not so much. Zip ties are effin' awesome. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

October 27th, 2013, 04:46 AM	#6
DmbShn41 Wannabe Reborn Name: Unregistered Location: Cincy Ohio Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): Blue 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: 302	Know what you mean OP. I have one on each side instead of two, thats all the farther I could get my hand into the nose sections, through the handle bars, etc. Anyone know of a good fix for that, or the replacement parts for the rubber grommet with nut inside? Thanks~ __________________________________________________ " If you're here to show off and prove that your crotch rocket is faster than my Harley, you can leave now. "

October 27th, 2013, 06:20 AM	#8
NevadaWolf Certified looney toon Name: Teri Location: 39°52'40.7"N 118°23'53.8"W (Northern NV) Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250, 102k+ miles -- 2014 CB500X, 42k+ miles Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 16 MOTM Jul '13, Jul '14	Hurm, odd, those side ones catch easily for me. The two I hate putting back in are two plastic rivets on the bottom that connect the two lower cowlings. I've given up on the one in the front but the bottom two i futz with even though it's a PITA. __________________________________________________ <-- Linky Hey Unregistered! The code [you] shows the username currently logged in. IBA # 56020 AMA # 521481 Fun Rides! ][ My Videos ][ My Gear Hold yourself to the same rules you expect others to follow.

October 26th, 2013, 08:37 PM	#2
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	How are they annoying? Are they not catching the threads? Splain to me Lucy.

October 27th, 2013, 05:26 AM	#7
mrb ninjette.org member Name: Ben Location: milwaukee Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 08 ninja 250r Posts: 93	yup OP, having only one of the two in won't hurt you. Those darn little rubber things keep falling off when i put the bike back together too.

October 27th, 2013, 09:37 AM	#9
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	I gotcha. The rubber grommet holding the nut ripped on mine so the fairing bolt would never catch. I glued the rubber together but that only held up for one season.

October 27th, 2013, 01:55 PM	#10
rasta Your face Name: Wes Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Honda CBR650f Posts: A lot.	I think what I'll do is glue the nuts in place on the inside. That way I won't have to reach into the front end of the fairing

October 27th, 2013, 04:18 PM	#11
pdxdavid ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250 Posts: 13	All mine rotted. I have not replaced them.

October 27th, 2013, 04:21 PM	#12
leed ninjette.org sage Name: David Location: Loves Park, IL Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): Time will tell Posts: 969	All you need is to replace the wellnuts. The size.. I don't remember -- take the little bolts to the hardware store to find the [metric] thread size -- from there most wellnuts are standard sized off that.

October 27th, 2013, 04:25 PM	#13
pdxdavid ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250 Posts: 13	I believe they are 5mm well nuts. I had some ordered at fastenal but I never got the call of them arriving. I have heard the Ace Hardware may have them. I have not made it out to that area to have a look. If I find them. I will post back.

October 27th, 2013, 04:28 PM	#14
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Mine don't hold on the zx, and now something is buzzing, it's extremely annoying because I can't find the source. __________________________________________________

October 27th, 2013, 05:43 PM	#15
DmbShn41 Wannabe Reborn Name: Unregistered Location: Cincy Ohio Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): Blue 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: 302	Never thought of gluing them in. What type of glue do you think would hold the best? If it's 5mmx1.0 thread, it's so close to a 10-32 thread that either or can be used. That's an if though. Sometimes those are easily available. __________________________________________________ " If you're here to show off and prove that your crotch rocket is faster than my Harley, you can leave now. "

October 28th, 2013, 04:16 AM	#17
DmbShn41 Wannabe Reborn Name: Unregistered Location: Cincy Ohio Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): Blue 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: 302	A quick search for 5mm wellnuts on eBay showed reasonable prices. $25 for an $18 with free shipping. Probably cheaper if you keep looking. Maybe those are better than what Kawi provides. Wonder if I could make some stainless threaded sleeves? __________________________________________________ " If you're here to show off and prove that your crotch rocket is faster than my Harley, you can leave now. "

October 28th, 2013, 11:54 AM	#19
DmbShn41 Wannabe Reborn Name: Unregistered Location: Cincy Ohio Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): Blue 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: 302	I have access to a lathe, and material, but to make 20-30 for a bike would be a far stretch. Would probably have to thread the exterior so that it would hold inside plastic hole, and put a shoulder on it. Over tightening would probably break the plastics. I tend to over design things. __________________________________________________ " If you're here to show off and prove that your crotch rocket is faster than my Harley, you can leave now. "

October 31st, 2013, 11:31 PM	#25
NevadaWolf Certified looney toon Name: Teri Location: 39°52'40.7"N 118°23'53.8"W (Northern NV) Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250, 102k+ miles -- 2014 CB500X, 42k+ miles Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 16 MOTM Jul '13, Jul '14	Looks like you have the right ones (that's definitely the right bolt) but it doesn't look like you have all of the wellnut. Maybe, as others have commented, something has happened to the rubber to prevent it from staying in the tab it's supposed to be in. Like it rotted, or dried out, or maybe was over tightened at some point. Dunno. Your's kinda looks like these.. I'm going to guess over tightened and you are just left with the rubber part that holds the gold nut and not the rubber part that goes into the tab on the lower cowling. __________________________________________________ <-- Linky Hey Unregistered! The code [you] shows the username currently logged in. IBA # 56020 AMA # 521481 Fun Rides! ][ My Videos ][ My Gear Hold yourself to the same rules you expect others to follow.

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