September 12th, 2014, 06:39 PM | #1 |
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Roger Lyle's Motorcycle Excitement
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http://www.motorcyclexcitement.com The good: Cheaper than team promotion and n2. Roger tries his best to personally help out as many people as he can if any issues pop up. Feels like a relaxed atmosphere from the administration side. The bad: Lack of instruction, it's there but the quality of it pales in comparison to my other experience at Mid-Ohio. More than 2x the amount of crashes in one day than Mid-Ohio had in 2 days Notes: It was very crowded too. I tried to work with the instructors as much as possible but wasn't able to properly do so until closer to the end of the day when there were fewer people on the track.
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January 19th, 2015, 01:31 PM | #2 |
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I concur with the overview. Roger is an awesome guy. The atmosphere and his hospitality makes you feel right at home. There's just a lack of structure. For instance, there have been days where they decide to not go through the flags, even with a large number of beginners. That is scary!
I would still recommend people checking him out. I have very close friends that now coach with the organization, and they have said that the structure has improved greatly since I was last there in May of 2014. There is a partnership with ACE now. As long as you are a member with MotorcycleXcitement, you don't have to be a member of ACE to attend a track day. |
January 27th, 2015, 12:46 AM | #3 |
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good to know that their structure has improved since I rode with them. The review is mine, was moved over when this subforum was created. I'm pretty torn between riding with motoxcitement and team promotion next season. Having ridden with both which do you recommend @gogoKawi ?
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January 27th, 2015, 10:00 AM | #4 |
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They recently implemented a one crash and done policy. So there's that to think about also.
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January 27th, 2015, 10:09 AM | #5 |
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That's not the worst policy to have from the organization's standpoint. They helped me a lot getting back on after my crash with them but I can't argue against that policy since it's usually not a good idea to get back on the same day
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January 27th, 2015, 10:15 AM | #6 |
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I will never ride with an org that has that policy. I understand their risks and it makes business sense but misses the point of a track day. I also see it from another orgs point of view as well, you wanna act like a racer and take chances at a track day... crash and you're done. Hell, you might be done before you even crash if I have anything to do with it. I have seen other tracks have success with that rule vs. a blanket rule of any crash and your day is over.
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January 27th, 2015, 10:17 AM | #7 |
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I still want to give them a chance but I admit tpm is looking more appealing as my main org. If only they didn't have the increased membership costs
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January 27th, 2015, 10:26 AM | #8 | |
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They are banning way to many things in life. Kids can't sled in the winter at parks. WTF.... Now you crash at a track with medical right there and waivers signed. Uggg... Memberships in the hundreds and they wonder why attendance is down. A track weekend is a significant investment for the average Joe. I aint about to chance it. If I can ride (per medical) and the bike passes tech, I should get what I paid for or my $$ back (prorated). Simple as that....
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January 27th, 2015, 10:29 AM | #9 |
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I've benefitted from being able to ride the same day and agree with you, from a business standpoint though liability sucks. I just looked at tpm's schedule for 2015 and pieced together a few track days in my mind before I go to get my race license on memorial day with marrc
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January 27th, 2015, 10:34 AM | #10 |
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Meh, I am focusing on the negative... Sorry, my bad.
Go enjoy the track time, learn a lot, get your race lic. and tell us all about the great time you had.
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January 27th, 2015, 11:43 AM | #11 | |
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I haven't heard about the one crash rule. Last year, it was 2 crashes and you were done, which was fair. I'm going to ask a couple of the coaches what's up.
But changing the crash rule won't solve the underlying issue I have with the org, structure. Having consistent rules is a must. On any given day, the rules can change. That shouldn't happen. Also, having people in the right group is a must. It's funny. I consider the intermediate group to be more like a Novice+. Many people in the group just don't belong there. It's dangerous. And for some reason, the coaches don't police this. Parking it in the corners and having erratic lines have been the cause of several incidents. They are working on it. Despite these issues, I will be riding with them a couple of times. The atmosphere and people are pretty awesome. Quote:
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January 27th, 2015, 11:44 AM | #12 |
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if bike and rider check out of inspection after the crash, why not let them ride again. it's pretty obvious to see someone who still has the mist in their eyes.
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January 27th, 2015, 12:55 PM | #13 |
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A local org went to the one-crash-and-done rule a few years ago, after crunching all of their data up until that point on crash statistics. It was pretty telling, that the chance of someone who has crashed once, going back out and crashing again that same day was alarmingly high. This was a few years back, so forgive me if I biff the details by some amount, but IIRC, the overall crash rate was 6% (6 out of 100 riders are going to hit the deck on an average track day of theirs). But the chances of the same rider going back out and crashing twice, it was something obscene, like 3 times that normal average. The data was pretty compelling.
Personally, I fully get how in a race situation, if you crash in one race, teching it and getting right back out there for the next grid is completely normal/accepted. But since we are talking about trackdays, crashing is never supposed to be acceptable. Having it in the back of one's mind that they need to keep whatever margin is required to keep from crashing or they are done for the day, doesn't rub me the wrong way.
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January 27th, 2015, 01:01 PM | #14 | |
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It's cool! As an org, you have to worry about the safety of the whole as well as the single rider. Just remember, I am a wandering soul and am used to 3-4 (or even less) crashes for an entire weekend, including races. If they have more than that, then they will do what they must to control their people. It's fairly common to get a second riders meeting if the day doesn't start of well round my parts.
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January 27th, 2015, 01:10 PM | #15 |
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Also, let me add...
I have seen the other extreme as well. I went to a track day where there was 17 crashes in a single day. I personally think they should have shut it ALL down and EVERYONE went home.
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January 27th, 2015, 02:27 PM | #17 |
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It is important to note that the time I rode with MX it was a crashfest where it felt like half the people that showed up crashed
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February 13th, 2015, 08:23 PM | #18 |
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Figured I'd update the thread
I was talking with rodger the other day and the "one and done" crash rule came up. He said he's toned it back a bit, basically what it is is he reserves the right to not allow you back on the track after a crash if he feels that you were intentionally riding dangerously. 2 crashes and there's no chance though, but if you crash twice in one track day there's an issue somewhere.
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February 13th, 2015, 09:48 PM | #19 |
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2 crashes and done was the policy when I was last there. Had a guy, unfortunately a friend of a friend, test out the policy. Went down at the bottom of the bowl at Shenny twice. I was right behind him the second time. He said, and I quote, "When my elbow touched the ground, it caught me off-guard." Which, as you can guess, made the bike low side. My eyes and my camera saw something very different. But I digress... After that second crash, he was politely told he was done for the day and something was wrong with him. I agreed.
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Anyone have recent/updated guidance on the crash rule? Of course my intention is not to test it at all, but things happen. Their website currently lists
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Edit: In practice it seemed to be 1) Go talk to Roger and he'll make a judgement call and 2) you're done for the day.
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May 25th, 2016, 07:12 PM | #21 |
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The policy from the rider's meeting earlier this month was that it was a first crash was at the discretion of Roger.
However, if the rider causes a red flag for the session, then it is an automatic cut. From what I recall, the thought on this was that it's unfair to take time away from other riders. |
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