New with valuable questions!!

crystalh · March 16th, 2009, 04:55 AM

Hey guys! I got a 2009 Ninja 250 SE on hold for me right now and I'm going to put a down payment today, but I had a few questions regarding the price they quoted me...
This is all in Canadian Dollars!

$4849.00 (Limited Edition)

$119.00 (Documentation Fee)

$139.00 (Freight/Set-up/PDI)

$100.00 (Flat fee that Credit Union charges to process the documents)

$8.00 (Tire Tax – Only GST Applies to this)

$5726.10 (Total, taxes in)

Straight from the email their financer sent me.
So how much of that is bogus? What can I talk them down reasonably, and how would I go about doing so in a nice way?

I would appreciate any help! Thanks in advance! Great to be on such an awesome forum!

Alex · March 16th, 2009, 05:21 AM

crystalh! Glad to have you aboard...

Snake · March 16th, 2009, 06:33 AM

Crystahl welcome on board. Hopefuly some of our members from Canada can help you with your questions.

BlueTyke · March 16th, 2009, 06:58 AM

Welcome to the boards! Sorry I am not from Canada to give you a hand. There is a members map that you can check and see if there is anyone in your area and you can Private Message (PM) them.

hogfan83 · March 16th, 2009, 09:18 AM

the guys at my dealership dropped the set up fee off my purchase but there is next to $0 wiggle room on the 250's...

Nemy · March 16th, 2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalh

Hey guys! I got a 2009 Ninja 250 SE on hold for me right now and I'm going to put a down payment today, but I had a few questions regarding the price they quoted me...
This is all in Canadian Dollars!

$4849.00 (Limited Edition)

$119.00 (Documentation Fee)

$139.00 (Freight/Set-up/PDI)

$100.00 (Flat fee that Credit Union charges to process the documents)

$8.00 (Tire Tax – Only GST Applies to this)

$5726.10 (Total, taxes in)

Straight from the email their financer sent me.
So how much of that is bogus? What can I talk them down reasonably, and how would I go about doing so in a nice way?

I would appreciate any help! Thanks in advance! Great to be on such an awesome forum!

Welcome

! And another joins the SE club

Basically everything besides the MSRP and tax are stealership fees. Not sure about credit union fees though.. is that because you're financing? But you've actually gotten some good rates on those. Over here in TO we're used to $400+ for all that stuff. So even with the $150 kawi price hike recently, you're paying the same that I did OTD for the Special Edition at MSRP $4699 (though I have 13% tax

).

There's really no way to negotiate the fees esp. on a sold out bike. If you can round up a group buy, however, you might have a chance. Last year, 50+ people here signed up for $4400 OTD - cheaper than MSRP!

kkim · March 16th, 2009, 10:33 AM

Aloha and welcome, Crystal.

Hope you can resolve the price to your liking and will be joining the ownership club soon.

KJohnson21 · March 16th, 2009, 10:59 AM

athimmel · March 16th, 2009, 11:00 AM

Welcome. For a few hundred dollars more, it may be worth it to grab the bike!

crystalh · March 16th, 2009, 05:04 PM

Hey guys! 'preciate the love! I went to go put the first part of my down payment today so it's officially mine. I also told them to take it off the floor cause I don't want young boys sitting on it and drooling on it!! So it's being kept in the warehouse. I cannot wait for the snow to melt here in Saskatchewan so I can ride this beautiful beast. My biggest fear is dropping it. So any ideas on preventive measures as far as drops go?

BlueTyke · March 16th, 2009, 05:32 PM

Check out the site. There are a lot of good threads with great advice.

One saying I learned a long time ago is... "It is not IF it is When" and the best thing to do about it is be prepared as best you can. Gear up, all the time.

birdy · March 16th, 2009, 05:36 PM

Welcome,

I just picked up my '09 SE last thursday. Been raining ever since

BlueTyke · March 16th, 2009, 05:38 PM

No worries Ted! The weather is supposed to becoming nice this weekend... Or so I was told... I haven't checked yet

thebulbousone · March 16th, 2009, 05:38 PM

if my conversion is right 5700 canadian is about 4400 u.s.? msrp and all the fees doesnt sound outrageous. dealers here have very little wiggle room on price. most help with accessories around here....never hurts to ask?!?!?

noche_caliente · March 16th, 2009, 06:07 PM

The setup fee is about the only place you might have some wiggle room - if they won't do that, you can always ask for some gear or goodies like frame sliders to be thrown in
good luck!

sm0kediver · March 16th, 2009, 06:32 PM

They really don't haggle much on these, and it's hard to find one on the showroom floor sometimes. Go for it. What color is it?

crystalh · March 16th, 2009, 07:17 PM

It's the Special Edition Lime green/black/white!

ninjablk08 · March 16th, 2009, 07:52 PM

welcome and if you cant get the price down ask them to throw in a helmet ,good luck and enjoy your new bike

miks · March 16th, 2009, 10:11 PM

Welcome!!

Tire tax?! That blasphemy, that's madness! THAT IS SPARTAAAAA!!!

But seriously, try get some discount on gear or your 1st service. As for protecting the bike from a fall, try Frame Sliders (Crash Knobs) - ask them to put it on for .. FREE!

crystalh · March 16th, 2009, 10:44 PM

Alright now how would I go about asking for things like that? I always feel bad asking people for things!!

kkim · March 16th, 2009, 11:05 PM

Just think of your wallet while you are asking. The more you can get the price lowered, the more toys you'll be able to afford to buy for it.

ninjabrewer · March 16th, 2009, 11:08 PM

and welcome to the starting line.

You will enjoy the new bike and being here.

congrats

hogfan83 · March 16th, 2009, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalh

My biggest fear is dropping it. So any ideas on preventive measures as far as drops go?

Sliders or a cage.....AND DONT GRAB THE FRONT BREAK TO STOP IF THE HANDLEBARS ARE NOT STRAIGHT!!!

miks · March 17th, 2009, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalh

Alright now how would I go about asking for things like that? I always feel bad asking people for things!!

Have to be smooth and not so subtle. You cant just out of no where be like;
You : "Hey, I bought this bike"
Dealer : "ok cool"
You : "Give me free stuff"
Dealer : "...wtf

"

Try be like;
You : "Hey, I interested in purchasing this bike - and was wondering if you could do anything to sweeten the deal"
Dealer : "What do you mean?"
You : "I'm in the market for some gear, is there anything you could do there?"

Etc etc

Oooo crap, you've already paid for everything.

In that case, upon pick up try and talk to dealer into giving your first or even a couple of free services - any money saved is good money!

NICUNinja · March 17th, 2009, 06:04 AM

The price on the bike is about the same as what I paid in Dec. for my '09.
My dealer gives me 15% off of anything I purchase from them for the next year.
As for safety, I put Intuitive sliders on my bike before I took it out. They won't do alot of good if you go down with any speed but if you drop it while standing still they give some protection.

Nemy · March 17th, 2009, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miks

Try be like;
You : "Hey, I interested in purchasing this bike - and was wondering if you could do anything to sweeten the deal"
Dealer : "What do you mean?"
You : "I'm in the market for some gear, is there anything you could do there?"

Etc etc

Oooo crap, you've already paid for everything.

In that case, upon pick up try and talk to dealer into giving your first or even a couple of free services - any money saved is good money!

Well it seems she's only got the deposit down so you can still try to "sweeten the deal" - free accessories, cheap gear, and if worst comes to worst free first service (glorified oil change). But it'll work better if you can be flirty with the salesperson. For some reason it didn't work for me

Cali619 · March 17th, 2009, 10:09 AM

what I did was allowed the stealership to calculate a bunch of numbers and then, before I signed the paperwork I told the finance person sorry thats to much. He was frantic cause he thought he had a done deal with his BS added fees, and as I was walking out he says ,"what do I need to do to get your business." I told him a reasonable price and he magically made it happen. Its business, what they say aint written in stone so make em work for your money, dont just take what they give cause its gonna be rape...

GreezMunky · March 17th, 2009, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICUNinja

They won't do alot of good if you go down with any speed but if you drop it while standing still they give some protection.

Parking lot drops seems to be the best thing that the frame sliders protect against. I grabbed a handful of front brake with my bars almost locked to one side pulling in a parking spot going down hill and dropped it. First thing pulling in, next second, on the ground. Not a scratch on me or the bike. I was going 5mph or so..

crystalh · March 17th, 2009, 08:58 PM

Yeah I'm not too worried about dropping it while on the road (although I don't want to jinx it) but I am worried about it being in the garage and dropping or while I'm parking it dropping, or not making sure the kickstand is all the way out, etc. etc. To tell the truth, I'm more worried about scratching or denting the bike rather than being able to pick it up! I'm only 5'5, 130 lbs so I should probably start worrying about how I'm going to pick it up if it does drop...

kkim · March 17th, 2009, 09:01 PM

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11499

komohana · March 17th, 2009, 09:05 PM

greetings crystal & welcome to our humble abode

aloha

jpnfrk · March 17th, 2009, 09:58 PM

Welcome Crystal!!

I also worry about doing minor damage to my darling moto but just figured that if one concentrates on familiarizing with it then the fears of 'hurting' it slowly melt away.

crystalh · March 20th, 2009, 05:13 PM

Thanks so much for the advice guys! I'm definitely going to put some frame sliders on it before I take it anywhere! I'd rather not have it scratched, as I don't know how much parts are to replace, if I can even replace them!

March 16th, 2009, 04:55 AM	#1
crystalh is awesome Name: Crystal Location: Saskatoon, SK Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r SE Posts: 43 Blog Entries: 2	New with valuable questions!! Hey guys! I got a 2009 Ninja 250 SE on hold for me right now and I'm going to put a down payment today, but I had a few questions regarding the price they quoted me... This is all in Canadian Dollars! $4849.00 (Limited Edition) $119.00 (Documentation Fee) $139.00 (Freight/Set-up/PDI) $100.00 (Flat fee that Credit Union charges to process the documents) $8.00 (Tire Tax – Only GST Applies to this) $5726.10 (Total, taxes in) Straight from the email their financer sent me. So how much of that is bogus? What can I talk them down reasonably, and how would I go about doing so in a nice way? I would appreciate any help! Thanks in advance! Great to be on such an awesome forum!

March 16th, 2009, 05:21 AM	#2
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	crystalh! Glad to have you aboard... __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

March 16th, 2009, 06:58 AM	#4
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	Welcome to the boards! Sorry I am not from Canada to give you a hand. There is a members map that you can check and see if there is anyone in your area and you can Private Message (PM) them. __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

March 16th, 2009, 09:18 AM	#5
hogfan83 ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: Little Rock, AR Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 65	the guys at my dealership dropped the set up fee off my purchase but there is next to $0 wiggle room on the 250's... __________________________________________________ 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Special Edition

March 16th, 2009, 10:59 AM	#8
KJohnson21 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Ken Location: Indio, CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Kawasaki EX250 "Yoshi", '99 Kawasaki Concours "Grace", '06 Concours "Belle", '06 Yamaha YZF600R "Slick" Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 3	__________________________________________________ < ATGATT > Sweat you can wipe off, Road rash you can't. HEY!! Unregistered!! Does your bike have a name?

March 16th, 2009, 06:33 AM	#3
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	Crystahl welcome on board. Hopefuly some of our members from Canada can help you with your questions.

March 16th, 2009, 10:33 AM	#7
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	Aloha and welcome, Crystal. Hope you can resolve the price to your liking and will be joining the ownership club soon.

March 16th, 2009, 11:00 AM	#9
athimmel ninjette.org member Name: Adam Location: Sacramento area Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 - blue Posts: 177	Welcome. For a few hundred dollars more, it may be worth it to grab the bike!

March 16th, 2009, 05:04 PM	#10
crystalh is awesome Name: Crystal Location: Saskatoon, SK Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r SE Posts: 43 Blog Entries: 2	Hey guys! 'preciate the love! I went to go put the first part of my down payment today so it's officially mine. I also told them to take it off the floor cause I don't want young boys sitting on it and drooling on it!! So it's being kept in the warehouse. I cannot wait for the snow to melt here in Saskatchewan so I can ride this beautiful beast. My biggest fear is dropping it. So any ideas on preventive measures as far as drops go?

March 16th, 2009, 05:32 PM	#11
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	Check out the site. There are a lot of good threads with great advice. One saying I learned a long time ago is... "It is not IF it is When" and the best thing to do about it is be prepared as best you can. Gear up, all the time. __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

March 16th, 2009, 05:36 PM	#12
birdy ninjette.org member Name: Ted Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 09 Green Ninja 250R Posts: 23	Welcome, I just picked up my '09 SE last thursday. Been raining ever since

March 16th, 2009, 05:38 PM	#13
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	No worries Ted! The weather is supposed to becoming nice this weekend... Or so I was told... I haven't checked yet __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

March 16th, 2009, 05:38 PM	#14
thebulbousone ninjette.org member Name: mason Location: columbus, ohio Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 42	if my conversion is right 5700 canadian is about 4400 u.s.? msrp and all the fees doesnt sound outrageous. dealers here have very little wiggle room on price. most help with accessories around here....never hurts to ask?!?!?

March 16th, 2009, 06:07 PM	#15
noche_caliente ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kim Location: mundo de ensueño Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: A lot.	The setup fee is about the only place you might have some wiggle room - if they won't do that, you can always ask for some gear or goodies like frame sliders to be thrown in good luck!

March 16th, 2009, 06:32 PM	#16
sm0kediver one disaster at a time Name: Jody Location: West Georgia Join Date: Aug 2008 Motorcycle(s): EX250J9 Posts: 411	They really don't haggle much on these, and it's hard to find one on the showroom floor sometimes. Go for it. What color is it?

March 16th, 2009, 07:17 PM	#17
crystalh is awesome Name: Crystal Location: Saskatoon, SK Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r SE Posts: 43 Blog Entries: 2	It's the Special Edition Lime green/black/white!

March 16th, 2009, 07:52 PM	#18
ninjablk08 ninjette.org guru Name: oscar Location: antioch, ca (bay area) Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): blk ninja 250 2008 Posts: 391	welcome and if you cant get the price down ask them to throw in a helmet ,good luck and enjoy your new bike __________________________________________________ 2 bro CFSO, factory pro 3, hotbody DS , krayzie graphics rim tape, brake flasher, DIY fender chop, DIY flushmounts & LED rear, K&N filter, 15/43 Driven, DID race chain, air stuff removed, clipons

March 16th, 2009, 10:11 PM	#19
miks I'm lovin' it. Name: Mike Location: Melb, Australia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Black 250R Posts: A lot.	Welcome!! Tire tax?! That blasphemy, that's madness! THAT IS SPARTAAAAA!!! But seriously, try get some discount on gear or your 1st service. As for protecting the bike from a fall, try Frame Sliders (Crash Knobs) - ask them to put it on for .. FREE! __________________________________________________ Son: When I grow up I want to ride a motorbike. Father: You can't do both son.

March 16th, 2009, 10:44 PM	#20
crystalh is awesome Name: Crystal Location: Saskatoon, SK Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r SE Posts: 43 Blog Entries: 2	Alright now how would I go about asking for things like that? I always feel bad asking people for things!!

March 16th, 2009, 11:05 PM	#21
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	Just think of your wallet while you are asking. The more you can get the price lowered, the more toys you'll be able to afford to buy for it.

March 16th, 2009, 11:08 PM	#22
ninjabrewer dirty old man Name: Chris Location: Hazel Green, AL Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Blue '08 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	Aloha.. and welcome to the starting line. You will enjoy the new bike and being here. congrats __________________________________________________ Death tugs at my ear and says, "Live, I am coming." -Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr., poet, novelist, essayist, and physician (1809-1894) www.friendsofsanonofre.org

March 17th, 2009, 06:04 AM	#25
NICUNinja ninjette.org member Name: Trista Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 EX650R Green Kawasaki ninja Posts: 120	The price on the bike is about the same as what I paid in Dec. for my '09. My dealer gives me 15% off of anything I purchase from them for the next year. As for safety, I put Intuitive sliders on my bike before I took it out. They won't do alot of good if you go down with any speed but if you drop it while standing still they give some protection.

March 17th, 2009, 10:09 AM	#27
Cali619 Giggity Giggity Name: Ryam Location: San Diego Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 08 ninja 250R aka Hiryu Posts: 481	what I did was allowed the stealership to calculate a bunch of numbers and then, before I signed the paperwork I told the finance person sorry thats to much. He was frantic cause he thought he had a done deal with his BS added fees, and as I was walking out he says ,"what do I need to do to get your business." I told him a reasonable price and he magically made it happen. Its business, what they say aint written in stone so make em work for your money, dont just take what they give cause its gonna be rape...

March 17th, 2009, 08:58 PM	#29
crystalh is awesome Name: Crystal Location: Saskatoon, SK Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r SE Posts: 43 Blog Entries: 2	Yeah I'm not too worried about dropping it while on the road (although I don't want to jinx it) but I am worried about it being in the garage and dropping or while I'm parking it dropping, or not making sure the kickstand is all the way out, etc. etc. To tell the truth, I'm more worried about scratching or denting the bike rather than being able to pick it up! I'm only 5'5, 130 lbs so I should probably start worrying about how I'm going to pick it up if it does drop...

March 17th, 2009, 09:01 PM	#30
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11499

March 17th, 2009, 09:05 PM	#31
komohana ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Steve Location: Kekaha, Kauai HI Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 GSX-R 600 2003 EX250: Woodcraft Bars, Levers, Mirrors, Shim'd Mixture, Synthetic, '08 Rear Shock Posts: A lot.	greetings crystal & welcome to our humble abode aloha __________________________________________________ Remember when sex was safe and motorcycles were dangerous?

March 17th, 2009, 09:58 PM	#32
jpnfrk Her name is Itoshii Name: Nani Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Kawasaki Ninja 250 Posts: 311 Blog Entries: 3	Welcome Crystal!! I also worry about doing minor damage to my darling moto but just figured that if one concentrates on familiarizing with it then the fears of 'hurting' it slowly melt away. __________________________________________________ "A frog in a well can not see the ocean" ~ Japanese proverb

March 20th, 2009, 05:13 PM	#33
crystalh is awesome Name: Crystal Location: Saskatoon, SK Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r SE Posts: 43 Blog Entries: 2	Thanks so much for the advice guys! I'm definitely going to put some frame sliders on it before I take it anywhere! I'd rather not have it scratched, as I don't know how much parts are to replace, if I can even replace them!

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