Surprise when I took the MSF BRC!!

Roark · October 12th, 2014, 08:51 PM

I took the MSF Beginner course this weekend. 8 of us entered, and 6 passed.

*brag session starts here*

I was the only one to score a perfect on either of the tests, and I scored perfectly on both! 100-written 0-riding

Anyways, surprise part is following the "graduation ceremony", the instructors offered me a teaching position on the spot! He said I'd have to wait until January to learn to teach the new curriculum..

Not sure if I'm too interested in the position, but I was very honored to be considered!

*bragging over*

All in all, an amazing learning experience and $195 well spent!

MrAtom · October 12th, 2014, 09:57 PM

Hm... You beginner luck.

Link to original page on YouTube.

Seriously though. That's super impressive. You must really know your stuff, man. Congratulations

CycleCam303 · October 14th, 2014, 11:21 AM

Look into as fun money. Here in California instructors get paid really well for what it is. Work a couple of weekends every month and use the extra cash to pay for fun stuff.

subxero · October 14th, 2014, 12:03 PM

I took my test in MD, It cost a good bit, I wanna say $250? IDK? now that I am in PA they are all free which is cool, been meaning to take some of the advanced ones just for something to do.

There were at least 12 riders for the fast track license course I took. More than half of them had been riding on the street with out a license for quite some time, that being said all but 2 of the people taking the course were pretty terrible.

Roark · October 14th, 2014, 07:48 PM

I am considering it for easy weekend money in the summer.. only because there isn't a local MSF class where I am for school. Definitely would be a cool experience..

And as Clay, the instructor, would say "It's another fun opportunity to ride a motorcycle!"

Jono · October 15th, 2014, 05:17 PM

At Bumpus Harley or Southwest Community College? You should do it!

Roark · October 17th, 2014, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jono

At Bumpus Harley or Southwest Community College? You should do it!

Southwest. The price for SW was $150 plus lab fee. The price for Harley was $300 plus lab fee.

If you haven't taken the course yet, @Jono, definitely consider it at SW. Clay and John (can't remember last names) were excellent instructors.

Highly recommended!

Jono · October 17th, 2014, 07:41 AM

@Roark I took it at Southwest 3 years ago. Can't remember my classes instructors. They were very good and entertaining. I recommend that class to all that say they want to start ridng.

Roark · October 17th, 2014, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jono

@Roark I took it at Southwest 3 years ago. Can't remember my classes instructors. They were very good and entertaining. I recommend that class to all that say they want to start ridng.

Even for those riders that haven't taken it.. If the insurance discount isn't enough, the proper training is!

Tigerpaw · October 17th, 2014, 10:02 AM

Also look at their other courses every year or two, to "brush up"

The Advanced Rider Course was a blast!

cadd · October 17th, 2014, 12:18 PM

BRC2 wasn't worth it for me. I'll be taking the ARC next.

Roark · October 19th, 2014, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerpaw

Also look at their other courses every year or two, to "brush up"

The Advanced Rider Course was a blast!

I'm considering the ARC.. Except the local one requires at least 1 or 2 years of licensed riding. I have about 2 weeks of licensed riding right now.

What all was taught in the ARC?

Roark · October 19th, 2014, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadd

BRC2 wasn't worth it for me. I'll be taking the ARC next.

Can you explain why the BRC2 was a no go?

Mocha Man · October 19th, 2014, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roark

I took the MSF Beginner course this weekend. 8 of us entered, and 6 passed.

*brag session starts here*

I was the only one to score a perfect on either of the tests, and I scored perfectly on both! 100-written 0-riding

Anyways, surprise part is following the "graduation ceremony", the instructors offered me a teaching position on the spot! He said I'd have to wait until January to learn to teach the new curriculum..

Not sure if I'm too interested in the position, but I was very honored to be considered!

*bragging over*

All in all, an amazing learning experience and $195 well spent!

At the end of my session, the instructor offered everyone a position haha. They said that as long as we pass both tests we could apply to teach the course. I declined because I was the youngest to take the course and I wouldn't have felt right teaching it haha.

But congrats on completing the course and doing so well on it!

iamjacob · October 19th, 2014, 11:35 PM

First off, congrats on the perfect score.

Secondly, sorry to burst your bubble but a perfect score on the written should be a requirement for passing.

Roark · October 20th, 2014, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamjacob

First off, congrats on the perfect score.

Secondly, sorry to burst your bubble but a perfect score on the written should be a requirement for passing.

Well, admittedly, I think people should get at least a 90-92 to pass.. A 100 assumes perfection, and even the smartest, most attentive people make mistakes. For example, the question about handling a dog got almost everyone in the class, yet it's not necessarily a lifesaving skill. (I'm treading lightly on that one..)

I agree standards should be much higher than they are, but the MSF course in itself is a higher standard than the DMV test.. Minimal progress, but still moving forward

cadd · October 20th, 2014, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roark

Can you explain why the BRC2 was a no go?

Essentially, it's identical to the BRC course (except you are using your own bike).

Here's a detailed explanation why the BRC2 wasn't worth it for me (along with videos of two bikes that were dropped during the class).

https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=183216

UFOGUY · October 20th, 2014, 12:02 PM

As others have mentioned, the BRC is just that . . . Basic. Mastering that even with a 100% means you have demonstrated competence of riding your motorcycle at less than 25 MPH in a parking lot. The BRC2 is NOT an advanced course. It is meant to be a refresher for those who haven't ridden in a while or for the practicing of basic skills in a controlled environment for those who have changed styles of bike or just bought a new bike. Having instructed both courses, for the life of me I don't understand how people drop their bikes in this training. These are BASIC skills. What is even more frustrating is seeing them not master the skill but at the end of the day drive off on their own motorcycle in public, where you know they are just a statistic waiting for an opportunity. ARC is slightly more advanced, but just a little. If you want advanced level training, seek out a Total Control Course, Keith Code AMOS or ARTD, or one of the many other on-track (real world speed) courses.

Roark · October 20th, 2014, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UFOGUY

As others have mentioned, the BRC is just that . . . Basic. Mastering that even with a 100% means you have demonstrated competence of riding your motorcycle at less than 25 MPH in a parking lot. The BRC2 is NOT an advanced course. It is meant to be a refresher for those who haven't ridden in a while or for the practicing of basic skills in a controlled environment for those who have changed styles of bike or just bought a new bike. Having instructed both courses, for the life of me I don't understand how people drop their bikes in this training. These are BASIC skills. What is even more frustrating is seeing them not master the skill but at the end of the day drive off on their own motorcycle in public, where you know they are just a statistic waiting for an opportunity. ARC is slightly more advanced, but just a little. If you want advanced level training, seek out a Total Control Course, Keith Code AMOS or ARTD, or one of the many other on-track (real world speed) courses.

Good information.. Thank you for the input

Tigerpaw · October 20th, 2014, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roark

I'm considering the ARC.. Except the local one requires at least 1 or 2 years of licensed riding. I have about 2 weeks of licensed riding right now.

What all was taught in the ARC?

From horrible memory...

One handed slalom(cone weaves)
Emergency stops
Emergency stop-look-go
Emergency swerve in a curve
Trail braking
Emergency swerves
Body position(getting off the bike)
...more...

Ours was taught by a company called Cape Fox. It was actually the "Military Sportbike Rider course" Should be similar though.

Yes, someone always drops a bike in MSF courses

choneofakind · October 20th, 2014, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roark

For example, the question about handling a dog got almost everyone in the class, yet it's not necessarily a lifesaving skill. (I'm treading lightly on that one..)

lol, hit something that size at speed on two wheels and tell me changing speeds /direction to confuse it isn't a lifesaving skill. IJS.

alex.s · October 20th, 2014, 03:55 PM

if a dog is quickly approaching your bike, slow, pull to the side, locate the owner, and proceed to beat them with a large stick for endangering their poor dog

Tigerpaw · October 20th, 2014, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roark

For example, the question about handling a dog got almost everyone in the class, yet it's not necessarily a lifesaving skill. (I'm treading lightly on that one..)

Roark · October 20th, 2014, 04:05 PM

@Tigerpaw, wtheck man, that thing is a monster!

Roark · October 20th, 2014, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

lol, hit something that size at speed on two wheels and tell me changing speeds /direction to confuse it isn't a lifesaving skill. IJS.

That is a life saving skill, yes

The question on the test was like "see a dog, what do you do?"

A. Speed up away from dog
B. honk your horn to scare dog
C. Adjust your speed to overtake the dog
D. Kick the dog

I know it's only A-C on the MSF exam, but those were basically the choices.. Of course, kicking the dog isn't the right decision, but the other ones are all plenty useful and appropriate in certain situations. I guess the subjectivity is what I was questioning in my previous statement, that there is only 1 correct answer in dealing with loose dogs.. And how that shouldn't necessitate a failure of the class if one doesn't get that 1 right answer.

Roark · October 20th, 2014, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

if a dog is quickly approaching your bike, slow, pull to the side, locate the owner, and proceed to beat them with a large stick for endangering their poor dog

Only a large stick will do

Tigerpaw · October 20th, 2014, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roark

@Tigerpaw, wtheck man, that thing is a monster!

A greyhound with the mutation of having 2 sets of muscles. Kick him...I dare you!

cadd · October 20th, 2014, 05:01 PM

For some reason, dogs (especially the smaller breeds) have a vengeance against motorcycles. They bark aggressively and pull on the leash with their front legs off the ground trying to get to me.

Larger dogs seem better with motorcycles....at least from my experiences.

Roark · October 20th, 2014, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadd

For some reason, dogs (especially the smaller breeds) have a vengeance against motorcycles. They bark aggressively and pull on the leash with their front legs off the ground trying to get to me.

Larger dogs seem better with motorcycles....at least from my experiences.

The world may never know why that is.

..and I'm in vet school

MrAtom · October 20th, 2014, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadd

For some reason, dogs (especially the smaller breeds) have a vengeance against motorcycles. They bark aggressively and pull on the leash with their front legs off the ground trying to get to me.

Larger dogs seem better with motorcycles....at least from my experiences.

It's probably part of small dog syndrome.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/smalltoydogs.htm

choneofakind · October 20th, 2014, 06:30 PM

I've kicked dogs from my bicycles. Tempted to start carrying mace for them. Darn farmer folk out here don't train their dogs to stay in the yard or don't have a fence. I've had a few friendly cute doggies run out to say hi to me and a few really pissed off snarling watch dogs come chase me down. It's not fun either way. Some of them can even hold 25 in a sprint, so it takes some doing to stay ahead of them. When I have a headwind it's bad.

Roark · October 20th, 2014, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I've kicked dogs from my bicycles. Tempted to start carrying mace for them. Darn farmer folk out here don't train their dogs to stay in the yard or don't have a fence. I've had a few friendly cute doggies run out to say hi to me and a few really pissed off snarling watch dogs come chase me down. It's not fun either way. Some of them can even hold 25 in a sprint, so it takes some doing to stay ahead of them. When I have a headwind it's bad.

Just put some spikes on your wheels Ben Hur style and the dogs will catch on really quickly to leave you alone

Roark · October 20th, 2014, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrAtom

It's probably part of small dog syndrome.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/smalltoydogs.htm

Very interesting read.. Gracias, amigo

csmith12 · October 20th, 2014, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I've kicked dogs from my bicycles.

EDIT: Warning... contains many fancy words that children will need much explanation and bosses frown upon in a workplace setting.

Link to original page on YouTube.

Roark · October 20th, 2014, 09:25 PM

"now my dog need operation"

"she's lying to you!!"

"she kicked it and now I'm gonna **** her"

MrAtom · October 20th, 2014, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Link to original page on YouTube.

That one's a classic! Along with this one (nsfw; swears)

Link to original page on YouTube.

October 12th, 2014, 08:51 PM	#1
Roark ninjette.org sage Name: James Location: Lakeland Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninjette Posts: 809	Surprise when I took the MSF BRC!! I took the MSF Beginner course this weekend. 8 of us entered, and 6 passed. brag session starts here I was the only one to score a perfect on either of the tests, and I scored perfectly on both! 100-written 0-riding Anyways, surprise part is following the "graduation ceremony", the instructors offered me a teaching position on the spot! He said I'd have to wait until January to learn to teach the new curriculum.. Not sure if I'm too interested in the position, but I was very honored to be considered! bragging over All in all, an amazing learning experience and $195 well spent! __________________________________________________ "That's what" -she
	5 out of 5 members found this post helpful.

October 14th, 2014, 12:03 PM	#4
subxero dirty boy Name: Joe Location: Johnstown, PA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): I don't even know anymore?? Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '14	I took my test in MD, It cost a good bit, I wanna say $250? IDK? now that I am in PA they are all free which is cool, been meaning to take some of the advanced ones just for something to do. There were at least 12 riders for the fast track license course I took. More than half of them had been riding on the street with out a license for quite some time, that being said all but 2 of the people taking the course were pretty terrible. __________________________________________________ I love the smell of burning pre-mix in the morning I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you thought that I think that I thought I was once.

October 14th, 2014, 07:48 PM	#5
Roark ninjette.org sage Name: James Location: Lakeland Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninjette Posts: 809	I am considering it for easy weekend money in the summer.. only because there isn't a local MSF class where I am for school. Definitely would be a cool experience.. And as Clay, the instructor, would say "It's another fun opportunity to ride a motorcycle!" __________________________________________________ "That's what" -she

October 17th, 2014, 10:02 AM	#10
Tigerpaw ninjette.org guru Name: Tom Location: Dayton, OH Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 '09 Boulevard C50. '08 250r(TOTALED BY DEER) Posts: 467	Also look at their other courses every year or two, to "brush up" The Advanced Rider Course was a blast! __________________________________________________ CHEERS!!!

October 20th, 2014, 12:02 PM	#18
UFOGUY CVMA #272 Name: Don Location: San Diego Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 03 BMW 1150RT (commuter), 03 KX65 (race bike), 12 EX250 (race bike), 07 R6 (track bike) Posts: 16	As others have mentioned, the BRC is just that . . . Basic. Mastering that even with a 100% means you have demonstrated competence of riding your motorcycle at less than 25 MPH in a parking lot. The BRC2 is NOT an advanced course. It is meant to be a refresher for those who haven't ridden in a while or for the practicing of basic skills in a controlled environment for those who have changed styles of bike or just bought a new bike. Having instructed both courses, for the life of me I don't understand how people drop their bikes in this training. These are BASIC skills. What is even more frustrating is seeing them not master the skill but at the end of the day drive off on their own motorcycle in public, where you know they are just a statistic waiting for an opportunity. ARC is slightly more advanced, but just a little. If you want advanced level training, seek out a Total Control Course, Keith Code AMOS or ARTD, or one of the many other on-track (real world speed) courses.
	3 out of 3 members found this post helpful.

October 12th, 2014, 09:57 PM	#2
MrAtom . Name: . Location: . Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot. MOTM - July '15	Hm... You beginner luck. Link to original page on YouTube. Seriously though. That's super impressive. You must really know your stuff, man. Congratulations

October 14th, 2014, 11:21 AM	#3
CycleCam303 King Hamfist Name: Cameron Location: NorCal East Bay Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Crf 150R, 2011 Hypermotard 796 Posts: 940	Look into as fun money. Here in California instructors get paid really well for what it is. Work a couple of weekends every month and use the extra cash to pay for fun stuff.

October 15th, 2014, 05:17 PM	#6
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	At Bumpus Harley or Southwest Community College? You should do it!

October 17th, 2014, 07:41 AM	#8
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	@Roark I took it at Southwest 3 years ago. Can't remember my classes instructors. They were very good and entertaining. I recommend that class to all that say they want to start ridng.

October 17th, 2014, 12:18 PM	#11
cadd cadd cadd cadd Name: Cadd Location: 41°21'13.1"N, 74°41'37.4"W Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 300 Posts: A lot. MOTM - May '15	BRC2 wasn't worth it for me. I'll be taking the ARC next.

October 19th, 2014, 11:35 PM	#15
iamjacob ninjette.org guru Name: Jacob Location: Stockton, CA Join Date: Dec 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2011 250R SE Posts: 326	First off, congrats on the perfect score. Secondly, sorry to burst your bubble but a perfect score on the written should be a requirement for passing.

October 20th, 2014, 03:55 PM	#22
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	if a dog is quickly approaching your bike, slow, pull to the side, locate the owner, and proceed to beat them with a large stick for endangering their poor dog __________________________________________________

October 20th, 2014, 04:05 PM	#24
Roark ninjette.org sage Name: James Location: Lakeland Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninjette Posts: 809	@Tigerpaw, wtheck man, that thing is a monster! __________________________________________________ "That's what" -she

October 20th, 2014, 05:01 PM	#28
cadd cadd cadd cadd Name: Cadd Location: 41°21'13.1"N, 74°41'37.4"W Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 300 Posts: A lot. MOTM - May '15	For some reason, dogs (especially the smaller breeds) have a vengeance against motorcycles. They bark aggressively and pull on the leash with their front legs off the ground trying to get to me. Larger dogs seem better with motorcycles....at least from my experiences.

October 20th, 2014, 06:30 PM	#31
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	I've kicked dogs from my bicycles. Tempted to start carrying mace for them. Darn farmer folk out here don't train their dogs to stay in the yard or don't have a fence. I've had a few friendly cute doggies run out to say hi to me and a few really pissed off snarling watch dogs come chase me down. It's not fun either way. Some of them can even hold 25 in a sprint, so it takes some doing to stay ahead of them. When I have a headwind it's bad.

October 20th, 2014, 09:25 PM	#35
Roark ninjette.org sage Name: James Location: Lakeland Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninjette Posts: 809	"now my dog need operation" "she's lying to you!!" "she kicked it and now I'm gonna **** her" __________________________________________________ "That's what" -she

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Has anyone taken the BRC 2 course?	cadd	Riding Skills	8	May 10th, 2014 07:56 PM
MSF, BRC. Need alittle help.	Aggrotech	Riding Skills	4	June 30th, 2012 11:07 PM
Msf brc	ToyaDe	Riding Skills	1	November 21st, 2011 08:36 PM
Passed my MSF - BRC today!	PsychoNinja	Riding Skills	24	March 25th, 2011 06:40 AM
Training after the MSF BRC/ERC ???	g21-30	Riding Skills	2	June 12th, 2009 11:18 AM