Would you pick sport or supersport for your next bike?

My question for you guys and why you think so,

Do you guys think you will pick another sport (ninja 650r) for example or a supersport (r6,gixxer) for your step up after the 250r.

I'm debating selling the 250r this winter and picking up either a sport or supersport next season after I have a couple more thousand miles under my belt. And here are some of the factors that are deciding my decision on my next bike:

-Sport- Cheaper, but I love the 4 cylinder on the supersports compared to the paralell twin. Less power which is good and bad. More comfortable and easier to ride especially around the city where the bikes have more low and mid range power, but who thinks they would be wanting a supersport shortly after they get into the 600cc range? More in my price range for sure.
-Supersport- More expensive, I can get a 650r with low miles for around 4200 in my area and all of the supersports whether its zx6rs r6's gixxers they're all over 5k for a newer model year. Obviously less comfortable but I love them.

I love both kinds of bikes for there respective riding positions, price ranges, looks ect. So when you guys make your decision, what is effecting it and what do you think you'll do?

[csmith12]

I already have a supersport and my next bike will be another, simply because I want another.

[alex.s]

have 2 sport bikes... thinking about a touring bike. or maybe a honda 50 scooter. those things last forever!

[krolinked]

The supersport bikes all have a huge appeal to me. Both for looks and because of the simple fact that they have more power than i will ever use.
Now that I've been riding for a good while, I feel a little more confident in my own ability to keep myself in check with one.
I like knowing that the machine I'm riding could potentially kill me if i mess up :0

[Countersteer]

Or you could convert your 250R into a mini-supersport like I have!

Done:
1. Swingarm spools (Generic) $15
2. Service Manual (OEM) $40 (Highly recommend!)
3. Frame Sliders (T-Rex) $95 (Highly recommend!)
4. Rearset Adjusters (A&L Motorsports, Highly recommend!) $62
5. No-rise clip ons (Woodcraft) $155
6. Loud Horn (Wolo) $16
7. Exhaust (DanMoto, GP Titanium) $172
8. Catalytic Converter Removal
9. Jet Kit (SixSigma) $49 (Highly recommend!)
10. Pod Filter (K & N) $28
11. Fork Springs (RaceTech .80) $109 (Highly recommend!)
12. Integrated Taillight (CustomLED, all options) $157 (Highly recommend!)
13. '07 GSXR750 Rear Shock (Suzuki) $37 (Highly recommend!)
14. Shimmed cush drive (Mylar) $Free! (HUGE Difference)
15. Self made exhaust hanger (Aluminum flat stock) $8
16. Lowered front-end 7mm

*all prices include taxes and shipping

[massacremasses]

sumo.

[sharky nrk]

I seriously doubt I will ever buy another supersport unless it's an upgrade as my track bike. The only place worth riding one hard is the race track, and on the street all that performance really only amounts to higher insurance and maintenance IMHO. I see upgrading track bikes every four years or so to whatever one or two generations from the newest. Ensures lower prices and lots of ebay parts lol.

[austexjg]

I would love another 250R for the streets - the ZX6R is too much temptation not to have on the track. Plus, the streets do not do any justice to the ability of the ZX6R - the track is the only place the bike really belongs.

[Linuss]

FYI, the Ninja 1000, a "sport", has an inline-4.

[Whiskey]

CBR 600 F, a 150mph I4 sports bike, sounds like what you're after.

There was a new model out in 2011 & the F4i was made up to 05 or so

As @trixter's quote talks about a 2010 ZX-10, Ryan Farquhar took 3rd place in the superstock TT on that model year, outrunning quite a few brand new bikes... (not sure what year Mick Dunlop's 2nd place ZX-10 was, and 8 of the top 15 were on ZX-10s)

2011/12 model isn't a stunning looking bike (well it is a honda) but it's far from their worst (Crossrunner anyone )





Older model F4i 05/06

Originally Posted by Whiskey

CBR 600 F, a 150mph I4 sports bike, sounds like what you're after.

There was a new model out in 2011 & the F4i was made up to 05 or so

2011/12 model isn't a stunning looking bike (well it is a honda) but it's far from their worst (Crossrunner anyone )

I'm honestly open to trying almost any bike. But something to keep in mind is that it is going to have to be used and in the 4500-5000 price range or totaled and I will rebuild it.

[dfox]

Really wish that 600f was in the states. I guess the f4i didn't sell well enough here in the states to bring that over, that thing is BEAUTIFUL!

I'm leaning towards a sport, but a super sport isnt out of the question. I still have plenty of time on the 250 till I upgrade. My eye right now is on a monster 696.

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by codestp202

I'm honestly open to trying almost any bike. But something to keep in mind is that it is going to have to be used and in the 4500-5000 price range or totaled and I will rebuild it.

Look for a used F4i, there should be a few at decent prices (US may have been called hurricane, don't know if that was carried through the F2+ range)

Originally Posted by dfox

Really wish that 600f was in the states. I guess the f4i didn't sell well enough here in the states to bring that over, that thing is BEAUTIFUL!

I'm leaning towards a sport, but a super sport isnt out of the question. I still have plenty of time on the 250 till I upgrade. My eye right now is on a monster 696.

I wish I could afford a 696

[EsrTek]

As others said, unless your tracking the supersports you can't really use them as designed safely on the streets.
For me I debated this question to myself for a year now and pretty much decided to get a sport bike like a 650R or most likely a FZ6R. I really don't like the twin buzzing at highway speed, as I understand it Inline 4's are much smoother.

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by codestp202

I wish I could afford a 696

I wish I could afford an 848 stealth bomber


& an F4i as a daily hack

[massacremasses]

Ill give you a picture this time.. SUMO

[dfox]

Used 696s sell for around 7. Sell the 250, add a few grand, and good to go. I know it's expensive, but I'm in a place to do it, thankfully. The Fz6r and fz8 look nice too. The 650r isn't half bad either.

[Whiskey]

Ah, that's what the sumo meant, I was thinking sumo = fat bastard = harley

Supermotos are a great way to make your licence disappear, they tend to bring out the lunatic in most people...

I'm just not into the look of sumos at all, I love the racing stance of sport bikes. That supermoto looks really awesome though, I dig it.

[alex.s]

to qualify as supersport, it needs at least 3 way adjustable front and rear suspension, adjustable levers, at least 13.5:1 compression, and dual rotor front brakes

Originally Posted by Countersteer

Or you could convert your 250R into a mini-supersport like I have!

Done:
1. Swingarm spools (Generic) $15
2. Service Manual (OEM) $40 (Highly recommend!)
3. Frame Sliders (T-Rex) $95 (Highly recommend!)
4. Rearset Adjusters (A&L Motorsports, Highly recommend!) $62
5. No-rise clip ons (Woodcraft) $155
6. Loud Horn (Wolo) $16
7. Exhaust (DanMoto, GP Titanium) $172
8. Catalytic Converter Removal
9. Jet Kit (SixSigma) $49 (Highly recommend!)
10. Pod Filter (K & N) $28
11. Fork Springs (RaceTech .80) $109 (Highly recommend!)
12. Integrated Taillight (CustomLED, all options) $157 (Highly recommend!)
13. '07 GSXR750 Rear Shock (Suzuki) $37 (Highly recommend!)
14. Shimmed cush drive (Mylar) $Free! (HUGE Difference)
15. Self made exhaust hanger (Aluminum flat stock) $8
16. Lowered front-end 7mm

*all prices include taxes and shipping

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by alex.s

to qualify as supersport, it needs at least 3 way adjustable front and rear suspension, adjustable levers, at least 13.5:1 compression, and dual rotor front brakes

I go by the racing classifications, supersport means I4 600cc.

While the 250R is a great little bike that you can ride the wheels off on the road it'll never be a supersport.
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[adouglas]

I've done pretty much what Countersteer did... exhaust, jet kit, clip-ons, rearset adjusters, etc. I find I prefer the ergos that way.

So... supersport. I want a GSXR750 because:

a) It's the closest in size to the Ninjette and among the lightest. I'm a small guy and the 250R is a good size for me.

b) At real-world commuting-type revs the power and torque curves are very similar to an SV650 . Interestingly, at around 5-6K, the SV650 in particular makes MORE power and MORE torque than a 600 supersport. Above 7-8K, of course, it's a whole different story.

What that suggests to me is that the 750 is more streetable than a 600.

[NDspd]

I've seriously been considering the 600cc super sports, not too much power, good looks and so much fun.

I'm really liking the CBR600RR, and the GSX-R600, they both look great and they aren't as aggressive for street riding. I was also going to stay '06 and above.

Im trying to stay 06 and above also, I'm just searching for a great deal at this point. And just because I can't reach the full potential of the bike doesn't mean I shouldn't own it. I want the bike because I know I have that extra power when it comes to passing, getting myself out of a jam on the freeway ( i know you guys have seen the videos where the lady crashes and the guy accelerates barely being missed), and because I love the fact that I will have power that I can't use. If everyone followed that idea that we shouldn't have it unless we track it, we would all be riding 250's and driving honda civics lol.

[sharky nrk]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

Ill give you a picture this time.. SUMO

the new 690sm is supposed to be a much improved bike as well

[Jono]

Do dual-sports count as 'sport' bikes?


Cause I think that is where I am headed. I want a SS but I can't really afford one or justify getting one. I am not even close to being able to out ride my 250. Why would I get something even more powerful??

That is just my outlook on things.


Here is the bike I hope to get later this year.


Well that is the bike I want today. Who knows what I will want tomorrow.

[250rr]

Close call for me. I think a supersport with as much of an 'upright' seating position as possible would be the ticket.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by Whiskey

Ah, that's what the sumo meant, I was thinking sumo = fat bastard = harley

Supermotos are a great way to make your licence disappear, they tend to bring out the lunatic in most people...

haha word. but yeah, Sumo, SM, motard, supermotard, supermoto etc. lol

Originally Posted by codestp202

I'm just not into the look of sumos at all, I love the racing stance of sport bikes. That supermoto looks really awesome though, I dig it.

I wasnt sold at first, but slowly grew to love it more and more. Honestly I get WAY more compliments, stares, and double takes on the SM than on the ninja. and dude my ninja was pretty freaking sexy. But there are tons more sport type bikes here than Supermotos. Im pretty sure I have the only one in town. a decent amount of dual sports but no SM's lol

Originally Posted by Jono

Do dual-sports count as 'sport' bikes?


Cause I think that is where I am headed. I want a SS but I can't really afford one or justify getting one. I am not even close to being able to out ride my 250. Why would I get something even more powerful??

That is just my outlook on things.

no, get that supermoto man! get a dirt set up for it if you insist.

Originally Posted by sharky nrk

the new 690sm is supposed to be a much improved bike as well

I KNOWWW I want... so bad. If I upgrade the DRZ thats what id be looking at getting.

[Jiggles]

If you want a 4cyl on a sport then get the ninja 1000

Originally Posted by Jiggles

If you want a 4cyl on a sport then get the ninja 1000

Way out of my 4500-5k price range.
I'm getting more and more sold on the 650, the price is low for a newer year and low mileage, I love the look of them, they're still very fast, great seat position, insurance is barely more expensive then my 250 compared to insane prices on the supersports.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by codestp202

Way out of my 4500-5k price range.
I'm getting more and more sold on the 650, the price is low for a newer year and low mileage, I love the look of them, they're still very fast, great seat position, insurance is barely more expensive then my 250 compared to insane prices on the supersports.

You're planning on getting a 2012 right? Because the difference between 11's and 12's is more pronounced than the differences between a pregen and a newgen

[cbdallas]

I'm very interested in the technical aspects of two 1000cc engines with such different hp numbers. There's a 90hp gulf between the Ninja 1000 and the ZX-10R. Valve timing? Compression?

I'd love a Ninja 1000. Gorgeous, fast bike that's probably comfortable too.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by cbdallas

I'm very interested in the technical aspects of two 1000cc engines with such different hp numbers. There's a 90hp gulf between the Ninja 1000 and the ZX-10R. Valve timing? Compression?

I'd love a Ninja 1000. Gorgeous, fast bike that's probably comfortable too.

They are actually 2 totally different engines. They have different CC's, different bore and stroke, different compression, different redlines, the only similarities they share are that they are both considered liter bikes. Essentially you are comparing a supersport to a sport touring. I don't have dyno charts for these bikes but I'd bet that the Ninja 1000 has more torque down low where it's meant to be ridden. Of course the zx will obliterate the ninja in a race but on the street I doubt you would see too much of a difference.

Originally Posted by Jiggles

You're planning on getting a 2012 right? Because the difference between 11's and 12's is more pronounced than the differences between a pregen and a newgen

actually I'm most likely going to get an 06-10 depending on mileage and pricewise. I doubt I could afford a 10-12

[ninja250r81]

next will be a "supersport" for me zx6r

for me no need to jump up to the zx10r because the bike would not be able to get the best out of me

i would never be able to do this to deserve the zx10r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGsTcmLG7dU

so

if i don't jump up to the next bike im modifying the 250r to annoy other bigger bikes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz03sQeX02c

15t front sprocket
beet camshaft
jet kit
filter
full m4 exhaust

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by trixter

Yes, per the links above it does. It was a substantial difference iirc.

What I was getting at is that both bikes have such a ridiculous amount of power that you likely wouldn't see a difference in speed between the two on the street because you could never come close to the full potential of either

[fleemos]

Originally Posted by EsrTek

As others said, unless your tracking the supersports you can't really use them as designed safely on the streets.
For me I debated this question to myself for a year now and pretty much decided to get a sport bike like a 650R or most likely a FZ6R. I really don't like the twin buzzing at highway speed, as I understand it Inline 4's are much smoother.

I recently did a test ride on a FZ6R and was amazed how smooth it was. It will most likely be my next bike unless Suzuki or Honda throw out a hell of a bike in this segment.

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by trixter

There are different racing classifications depending on who the governing body is. Most are similar but they are not identical.

Well I go by the racing classes I'm used to, both MCUI & ACU call 600 cc racebikes Supersport & 1000cc Superbike. (in reality a 600 showroom spec machine wouldn't be a supersport, and a showroom spec thou would be a Superstock, but that's getting really picky)

[bdavison]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

What I was getting at is that both bikes have such a ridiculous amount of power that you likely wouldn't see a difference in speed between the two on the street because you could never come close to the full potential of either

I can tell you this....the new zx-10r is insane. It will easily smoke nearly everything on the street short of a well tuned busa. It is extremely light feeling on the road, almost too light in my opinion.