Best 1000cc Beginner Bike? :P

[ninjaone]

Originally Posted by gt_turbo

+1 i've said this before on here, but some ppl tend to think a liter bike from a 250 = instant death. if you gonna get a liter bike, get the best one on the market - S1000RR. i demoed one at a bmw demo event. F****** AMAZING - plenty of power, great looks, easy to ride for the street, comfortable, light, technologically advanced, and just damn fun! if was looking for a liter it'd be either a zx10r or s1000rr.

+1 on also demoing each bike that you are considering and just go for it. sounds like you have more than enough seat time and learned from your mistakes already. don't listen to these haters saying you crashed "3" times already and you have no business getting on a 1000. falling is a part of riding, you just get back up and keep going.

Those S1000RRs are amazing machines. Absolutely savage power but somehow incredibly easy and manageable to ride around town. I highly highly recommend people take the chance to demo them now. They are all over BMW dealerships as demos since people are afraid of them after the big engine recall a couple months ago.

[Gurk]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

zomg, you bought a bike using my exact advice!

That's what I did. But I'm not the one in question. OP is. If you realize, I'm also saying it's ok if the OP wants 1000cc's he wants 1000cc's and there's nothing you can or should do about that either.

I'm not trying to win an argument over you. I'm pointing out that people can buy whatever the f*ck they want for whatever the f*ck reason and you have no right to judge it. I may have decided by looks and not CC's. OP can decide by CC's. Who cares.

[Kevin2109]

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/617/13...irst-Look.aspx

[Gurk]

So buying that.......


or ktm....




or ducati....




or....

[Kevin2109]

Originally Posted by Gurk

So buying that.......


or ktm....




or ducati....




or....

Get the HP4, nothing else will hold a candle to it, I guarantee it

[Gurk]

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

Get the HP4, nothing else will hold a candle to it, I guarantee it

[Gurk]

I better test my friend's s1000rr before he sells it

[Kevin2109]

Originally Posted by Gurk

I better test my friend's s1000rr before he sells it

The BMW dealerships let you test ride there bikes, no questions asked There is one 5 min from me, not sure why I havent gone down to ride the RR

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by ninjaone

That's not exactly how the argument seems to be framed. People seem to suggest that because a 1000 can go almost 100mph in first gear, by the time you hit 3rd gear on the road you must be doing 150 - as if anyone rides around like that. These people are obviously keyboard jockeys who have never actually ridden this type of bike - 600 and 1000 supersports do just fine loafing along the highway in 6th gear at legal speeds.

And I agree, 250s are better starter bikes then 600s or 1000s, but after 20k miles on a 250 which one do you jump to? 600 or 1000? In my personal opinion I think 1000s which have more predictable power are easier to adapt to then a 600 with a peaky power band.

I feel you Chris, I personally believe when your ready, your ready to move up and it don't matter what you choose. After all, it's your $$, spend it as you wish and ride how you wanna ride.

[beren]

Originally Posted by Gurk

That's what I did. But I'm not the one in question. OP is. If you realize, I'm also saying it's ok if the OP wants 1000cc's he wants 1000cc's and there's nothing you can or should do about that either.

I'm not trying to win an argument over you. I'm pointing out that people can buy whatever the f*ck they want for whatever the f*ck reason and you have no right to judge it. I may have decided by looks and not CC's. OP can decide by CC's. Who cares.

He did ask for advice. God forbid he be given some.

[backinthesaddleagain]

Just one liter bike caveat. The big twins like a 1198 can be jerky and unforgiving to throttle inputs at lower revs than inline fours.

Iirc my cbr600 tops out around 60 or so in first. But riding around at 50 in first would be annoying.

OP asked about changing tranny ratios. I think ZX6R has cartridge tranny but who other than top level racers would swap them.

[Gurk]

Originally Posted by beren

He did ask for advice. God forbid he be given some.

"good luck dying on a 1000cc retard"

is not advice.

[Trailerboy531]

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

The BMW dealerships let you test ride there bikes, no questions asked There is one 5 min from me, not sure why I havent gone down to ride the RR

If you do go come pick me up!

[beren]

Originally Posted by Gurk

"good luck dying on a 1000cc retard"

is not advice.

I must have missed that post. Could you point it put to me.

[Xoulrath]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

My 650 had a ton of power, more than enough for anyone to ride comfortably on the street and blow away even million dollar cars...

This is a false statement. Just thought I'd point it out. Your old 650 isn't any faster than the 370Z I currently drive. It in no way cost anywhere near $1,000,000.

[ninjaone]

Originally Posted by Xoulrath

This is a false statement. Just thought I'd point it out. Your old 650 isn't any faster than the 370Z I currently drive. It in no way cost anywhere near $1,000,000.

Didn't you get the memo dude? There is now no reason to actually test ride a bike or car anymore. People can just spend all day online looking at numbers and then they know all there is to know about how a bike rides. So much so that they can make authoritative recommendations about which bike to get without ever swinging a leg over it.

No sense arguing with these "experts"

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Xoulrath

This is a false statement. Just thought I'd point it out. Your old 650 isn't any faster than the 370Z I currently drive. It in no way cost anywhere near $1,000,000.

Lol that's a good one

[bdavison]

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/617/13...irst-Look.aspx

I must say something here....Ive ridden lots of bikes. R1, R6, ZX-6,10,14, turbo'd hayabusas, CBR's, Aprillia,...whatever...

But that bike right there....scares the crap out of me. Rode one a while back to compare it against the new ZX-10R...

Riding it is like riding a carbon fiber 10 speed racing bicycle with a 500hp hooked to it. Its as light as a thimble, and though I never tested it, it felt like it would leave a busa in the dust. You gotta have some big steel ones to ride that thing as a commuter. That is one bike that while absolutely beautiful...I would have to pass up for a daily rider....weekend track bike, sure....but definitely not a daily ride.


Correction...I rode the 1000RR not the HP4....although their aint much difference I would guess.

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by ninjaone

That's not exactly how the argument seems to be framed. People seem to suggest that because a 1000 can go almost 100mph in first gear, by the time you hit 3rd gear on the road you must be doing 150 - as if anyone rides around like that. These people are obviously keyboard jockeys who have never actually ridden this type of bike - 600 and 1000 supersports do just fine loafing along the highway in 6th gear at legal speeds.

And I agree, 250s are better starter bikes then 600s or 1000s, but after 20k miles on a 250 which one do you jump to? 600 or 1000? In my personal opinion I think 1000s which have more predictable power are easier to adapt to then a 600 with a peaky power band.

I was slightly taking the piss with suggesting the V-twin superbikes (someone had to suggest them) but a 750 is a nice happy medium, it's got more torque than a 600, but is somewhat more forgiving than a thou. It'll have firmer suspension &

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Lol that's a good one

Bugatti Veyron is a million quid car, it tops out at over 250mph, a650 tops out at about 134mph, add the top speed of your ninja 250 & it still is less than the million quid car.

Veyron does 0-100kph (~62mph) is 2.46 seconds, it beats any bike (S100RR does it in 3.1, 650 does it in about 3.5)

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Whiskey

I was slightly taking the piss with suggesting the V-twin superbikes (someone had to suggest them) but a 750 is a nice happy medium, it's got more torque than a 600, but is somewhat more forgiving than a thou. It'll have firmer suspension &


Bugatti Veyron is a million quid car, it tops out at over 250mph, a650 tops out at about 134mph, add the top speed of your ninja 250 & it still is less than the million quid car.

Veyron does 0-100kph (~62mph) is 2.46 seconds, it beats any bike (S100RR does it in 3.1, 650 does it in about 3.5)

Alright fine, $500,000 cars sheesh. Happy now? Point is you'll beat any car on the road with "just a 650"

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Alright fine, $500,000 cars sheesh. Happy now? Point is you'll beat any car on the road with "just a 650"

BMW M5 will do the same 0-60 as the 650 & comes in well less than the $500k mark...

just saying

[koenigcitizen]

Didn't read all of the replies (about half way through the thread)

But I agree with people who commented on ZX 14 and Busas. My second bike is Yamaha FZ6. When I upgrade, I will skip the 1000 class. My next bike will be ZX14, Busa, Connie or FJR. Just for the comfort factor.

I rode R1 and GSXR1000. I had a grin on my face entire time, but they are not comfortable bikes

[thurt88]

Didn't read all of the replies (about half way through the thread)

Same. Thought I would chime in as I went from a 250->600 ->1k. Im not a mechanic or a tech guy but I can offer my impressions.

kaw 250r- I still have it altho I did recently put it up for sale. I think OP, you should keep the 250. You WILL miss it and probably buy another one. Put about 5k miles on it before I went up to ...

2006 Honda Cbr 600rr- Heh. This bike was super light and touchy. Seemed like I had to shift it alot and that bike was really responsive. One wrong twist on that throttle and that bike was gone. It hurt my back if I rode it for long periods of time as well. I felt scrunched up on it but it was a sexy machine. Another thing....that cbr would wheelie in any gear by almost just thinking about it. Im not skilled enough and I'd be afraid to ride 2up on an ss as they wanna be unicycles anyway. In the end, I only kept it one season because of how touchy that throttle was and how uncomfortable it made me when I rode it ( Im 6'1 200lbs)

2008 Kaw zx10r- This bike just fit my body better, not all scrunched up and its "easier" on my back. The biggest difference I noticed over my 600 (besides comfort) was that it was easier to ride on the street. If you kept the revs low it was tame as a puppy dog. Unlike my CBR, that thing was wired and ready to rip ALL the time. The zx was alot heavier feeling to me and took some time getting used to that. Gas mileage was a little worse but not really by much. No one buys an ss for mpg anyways, right ? I wish they had bigger gas tanks tho so I didnt have to fill up ever 2 days. Oh yea.. my insurance went up to $1100 year just for my zx. Be ready for that. If and when I ever decide to sell this bike, that will be the biggest reason for me.


I think I'm much happier with my Zx because its more comfortable and the power doesnt smack you in the face like that 600 did. At least with the liter bike, you know when its coming.

[Boom King]

Originally Posted by Whiskey

BMW M5 will do the same 0-60 as the 650 & comes in well less than the $500k mark...

just saying

Or the latest Nissan GT-R with R-Mode. Sub $100K US car that can do 0-60 sub 3 secs and 1/4 mile sub 12 secs. Excuse me while I grab some tissues...

[robertkh100]

get a 600, 1000 is a lot of power. I rode both and in my opinion the 1000 is just a bunch of extra power you won't use. You can get either one, since there isn't really a different up until 120, but there's no point in a 1000 unless you like the looks. And no, a 1000 is not more fun than a 600. Other way around if anything

[CC Cowboy]

Originally Posted by robertkh100

get a 600, 1000 is a lot of power. I rode both and in my opinion the 1000 is just a bunch of extra power you won't use. You can get either one, since there isn't really a different up until 120, but there's no point in a 1000 unless you like the looks. And no, a 1000 is not more fun than a 600. Other way around if anything

A 1000 is 400 cc's more fun (which is almost double)!

[5evenz]

@ OP. Naked bikes Bro... Bust out that google **** and get yourself informed

-600/1000
-Street triple/Speed triple
-Monster 696/795/1100
-Street fighter 848
-Tuono V4 R APRC
-Fz6r/Fz1
-Ninja 650/1000 ---->Z1000
-Cb1000r
-Gladius

google every one or ill tongue punch your mothers fart box

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by 5evenz

google every one or ill tongue punch your mothers fart box

Wow I've never heard that one anywhere else before!

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by 5evenz

google every one or ill tongue punch your mothers fart box

ummmm.... hahahahahahah

[beren]

Originally Posted by 5evenz

google every one or ill tongue punch your mothers fart box

Honestly, sounds like you would be the looser there.

[Jiggles]

Only an idiot would buy a literbike

[beren]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Only an idiot would buy a literbike

Nice self esteem you got there.

[ninjaone]

Originally Posted by robertkh100

get a 600, 1000 is a lot of power. I rode both and in my opinion the 1000 is just a bunch of extra power you won't use. You can get either one, since there isn't really a different up until 120, but there's no point in a 1000 unless you like the looks. And no, a 1000 is not more fun than a 600. Other way around if anything

I don't know how many times and in how many ways it has to be said but just because you don't use a bike's full power doesn't mean the bike's power band doesn't have advantages in street riding. You never or very rarely use the full power of a 600 or the full power of a 1000 on the street. The difference is the 1000 has more predictable usable power everywhere. Is a 600 sufficient for the street? Of course, no one said it isn't. 600s have too much power for the street already and plenty of people enjoy or prefer the 600 power band to the 1000. If you like revving an engine to the moon before you get savage power then a 600 is for you.

Then again, many many many (many) many people also prefer the 1000 power band as a more street friendly option.

Best thing for anyone to do is ride both and make a decision for yourself.

[Miles_Prower]

Get what makes you happy! I'm going to have a whole ton of bikes in the future..including that super sexy HP4.

Sure a 1000cc or even 600cc may be overkill, but if you like it, then who the hell can stop you. Just be very very careful, and make sure you don't crash lol.

Btw I don't think crashing is a good way to "learn" [on the street], because one day you will crash too badly to get back on..just saying!

[rabies]

beginner bike....1000cc....not sure that goes together in my mind..
i stick to my ninja 250 scooter thing.
wish i was man enough to handle a bike that will kill me in a flick of the wrist.
not sure what my input is aimed at..jus bored and barfing on the intronets

[RedOctober]

I've upgraded this year from a 250 to 675. My Daytona scared the f out of me. Its not just the fact that it goes much faster than 250 (it hits 100 in 3rd gear no problem), it's how fast it gets up there. Twist the throttle and you slide back in the seat. It helps that the power delivery is more linear than Japanese I4s, but still...
Not to mention that all the mistakes are amplified by the amount of available power at the palm of your hand. I know that first hand now.

[ai4px]

Should the words "beginner" and "1000cc" be used in the same sentence?

[trex]

im personally looking to move to a z1000 after my 250

[psych0hans]

Originally Posted by ai4px

Should the words "beginner" and "1000cc" be used in the same sentence?

Originally Posted by rabies

beginner bike....1000cc....not sure that goes together in my mind..
i stick to my ninja 250 scooter thing.
wish i was man enough to handle a bike that will kill me in a flick of the wrist.
not sure what my input is aimed at..jus bored and barfing on the intronets

I think we're misunderstanding the OP here... The OP is NOT new to biking, he's simply upgrading from his 250 and wants to know which liter bike would be the easiest to manage... I wish him the best... And once he's made his choice...

[robertkh100]

Originally Posted by ninjaone

I don't know how many times and in how many ways it has to be said but just because you don't use a bike's full power doesn't mean the bike's power band doesn't have advantages in street riding. You never or very rarely use the full power of a 600 or the full power of a 1000 on the street. The difference is the 1000 has more predictable usable power everywhere. Is a 600 sufficient for the street? Of course, no one said it isn't. 600s have too much power for the street already and plenty of people enjoy or prefer the 600 power band to the 1000. If you like revving an engine to the moon before you get savage power then a 600 is for you.

Then again, many many many (many) many people also prefer the 1000 power band as a more street friendly option.

Best thing for anyone to do is ride both and make a decision for yourself.

I was just answering his question.. Yeah I agree, ride both and decide for yourself. My R6 is very stable at low rpms but she's a completely different bike after 10k.