Full Fairing set w custom paint for under $500 ... too good to be true?

sixstring · January 24th, 2010, 05:16 PM

Apologies if this is a repost.

Ever since my crash in 09, I've been looking through ebay on a regular basis for a right side 09 se green fairing. Today, I found several posts for a full fairing set for the new gen ninja 250s. The ads say they'll paint it in any way you like and that the fairings are ABS!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/07-09-KAWASAKI-FA...ht_5311wt_1212

http://cgi.ebay.ca/07-09-KAWASAKI-ZX...ht_6352wt_1000

I'm a little uneasy. What do you guys think?

austexjg · January 24th, 2010, 05:20 PM

I have heard that "fit" is an issue with these sets - one set on ebay, a guy said that no matter what he did, the headlight would not fit in the cowling properly.

Momaru · January 24th, 2010, 05:30 PM

They want another $150+ for shipping, and the typos concern me. It might be legit, but a lot of their paint "photos" look like some cheesy photoshopping

kevlarorc · January 24th, 2010, 05:41 PM

I wouldn't want to deal with it just for the broken english that's used on the descriptions.

wellcraft · January 24th, 2010, 07:12 PM

You could consider this body kit from Matt, it looks sick. If I needed to replace my fairings I would buy them in a heart bit.

link http://www.sportisimoto-usa.com/products.php

wellcraft · January 24th, 2010, 07:14 PM

BTW Matt is the same as ztrack157 is you wish to contact him

divingtigger · January 25th, 2010, 06:39 AM

Ya wish I would have seen matts kit before I bought used pieces, would have saved me lot of time and money. Unless you want to buy my fairings and I'll buy from Matt

divingtigger · January 25th, 2010, 06:43 AM

Looked over the auction again, and it says that it is for 2007 to 2009.....2007 is a different body. It also says that it comes with 12 pieces??? Did a count isn't there only 7 painted fairing pieces?? Unless it comes with the gas tank and both side pieces as well as the gauge surround and rad fairing too

sixstring · January 25th, 2010, 06:23 PM

I've talked with Matt about getting one of his racing bodywork kits, but last time I checked with him, he had none in stock.

Has anyone bought a set and installed it on their bikes? I plan to keep my front cowl and the biggest concern I have is fit... As Matt explained to me, each kit is custom and there may (or may not) be fit issues. I suppose I'll have this problem with any aftermarket fairing thou...

Another concern I have with aftermarket fairings is the lack of the foamy stuff and head sink tape on the inside of the fairings. Are fiberglass fairings more effected by heat? Will my new fairings melt?!

ztrack157 · January 25th, 2010, 07:28 PM

FG is what they use in mufflers it holds up just fine. Its hard to keep the bodys in stock due to their make time. Mine will fit. Its just if you choose to run the stock front I can't speak to the actual fit since I have not tried it myself. And I won't confirm something I haven't tried myself. Regardless of what sportisi tells me.

RaceBikeRentals · January 26th, 2010, 08:08 PM

The bodywork kits from Hong Kong have severe fitment issues. Stay away at all costs.

maglin · January 27th, 2010, 04:12 AM

Hi Richard. Have you tried this kit?

sugizo_esp · January 27th, 2010, 04:31 AM

Did anyone actually fitted one of these on?
Or are we all prejudice?

Few of my mates have after market kit from china installed. (not the ninja). and not much of a problem. You wouldn't expect top quality. But it works.

I' like to see how it fits.

jdoucet93 · September 26th, 2011, 02:34 PM

I know this thread is old as balls. But just wanted to put in that I made the HUGE mistake of buying one of these sets off ebay. Parts and shipping came out to $488. Got the pieces, The right side lower faring was cracked in two places, the front faring was almost broken completely in half and the pieces did not fit AT ALL! The seller told me to take the pieces to a body shop to have them fixed. When I told them I just wanted a refund, all communication ceased.... Don't waste your money.

massacremasses · September 26th, 2011, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wellcraft

You could consider this body kit from Matt, it looks sick. If I needed to replace my fairings I would buy them in a heart bit.

link http://www.sportisimoto-usa.com/products.php

I realize this is old, but I read it as it was bumped, and I was wondering if this was still sold?

caliente103 · September 27th, 2011, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdoucet93

I know this thread is old as balls. But just wanted to put in that I made the HUGE mistake of buying one of these sets off ebay. Parts and shipping came out to $488. Got the pieces, The right side lower faring was cracked in two places, the front faring was almost broken completely in half and the pieces did not fit AT ALL! The seller told me to take the pieces to a body shop to have them fixed. When I told them I just wanted a refund, all communication ceased.... Don't waste your money.

Were did u buy them from ?
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caliente103 · September 27th, 2011, 01:59 AM

http://www.kawasakifairing.com/kawas...50r-c-111.html
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Lil_Green_Demon · September 27th, 2011, 03:33 AM

^^^ Hector, can you vouch for those fairings' usability & quality?

stealth250 · September 27th, 2011, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by caliente103

http://www.kawasakifairing.com/kawas...50r-c-111.html
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I love how they use Kawasaki's race 250, Beet's green 250, and Beast's white 250 as the sample pictures. Misleading? Uh yeah..

massacremasses · September 27th, 2011, 06:50 AM

soooo has anyone got those?

caliente103 · September 27th, 2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil_Green_Demon

^^^ Hector, can you vouch for those fairings' usability & quality?

I can't
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jdoucet93 · September 27th, 2011, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliente103

Were did u buy them from ?
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Here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...84.m1439.l2649

jdoucet93 · September 27th, 2011, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racebikerentals

the bodywork kits from hong kong have severe fitment issues. Stay away at all costs.

+345827436592348756249

caliente103 · September 28th, 2011, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdoucet93

Here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...84.m1439.l2649

good luck i hope they fit he has bad reviews

jdoucet93 · September 28th, 2011, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliente103

good luck i hope they fit he has bad reviews

as stated above, they don't fit at all. I left the bad reviews. lol The customer service was TERRIBLE! I actually broke the piece that surrounds the gauge cluster while bolting it on simply because it just didn't line up. I just opened up a claim on ebay. Please, everyone stay away from these.

massacremasses · September 28th, 2011, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdoucet93

as stated above, they don't fit at all. I left the bad reviews. lol The customer service was TERRIBLE! I actually broke the piece that surrounds the gauge cluster while bolting it on simply because it just didn't line up. I just opened up a claim on ebay. Please, everyone stay away from these.

lol yeah I was pretty sure you are the one who bumped this thread saying they were ****... lol

jdoucet93 · September 28th, 2011, 09:46 PM

If you go read through more of the reviews, just about every review for motorcycle parts is very negative.

caliente103 · September 29th, 2011, 08:36 AM

I hope u get your $ back
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jdoucet93 · September 29th, 2011, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliente103

I hope u get your $ back
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Well, here's my problem. According to the sellers return policy, if you ship the items back, you will be refunded the purchase price but not the original shipping price and you have to pay to ship the items back. According to the listing, the price of the parts is $236 and the shipping was $255. So if that is really how much shipping was, it would get 236 back then spend 255. So its pointless. The best i'm going to get is the seller offered me $100 to revise my negative feedback.. I suppose thats better than nothing...

OddlyOrdinary · September 29th, 2011, 11:06 AM

If you remove your negative feedback you'll get a $100, but leaves less evidence for others that come along wondering if the fairings are worth it. I guess it's a toss up, but I'd try to go through ebay and not revise the feedback.

jdoucet93 · September 29th, 2011, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OddlyOrdinary

If you remove your negative feedback you'll get a $100, but leaves less evidence for others that come along wondering if the fairings are worth it. I guess it's a toss up, but I'd try to go through ebay and not revise the feedback.

yeah I opened a claim with ebay. I think i'm just going to wait it one out and see what happens. I highly doubt that i'm ever going to see my money again. But who knows...

Havok · September 29th, 2011, 07:07 PM

For how much these things cost with shipping and all that, i would think as long as you dont need the tank painted a good body shop should be able to patch/bondo and paint them for around the same amount of money when all is said and done.

RaceBikeRentals · October 1st, 2011, 06:54 AM

Despite what I have heard and said about these, I ordered a set for one of my projects, a 1988 Suzuki RGV250. It arrived after a couple of weeks in a HUGE box from China. I was blown away by the quality of the packaging, and the quality of the plastics and paints. My set is a Schwantz Pepsi replica, so has lots of graphics and decals, which were all professionally applied and clear coated. I guess you just have to do your research and go with a company that has good feedback. For $480, I am truly amazed.

jdoucet93 · October 1st, 2011, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaceBikeRentals

Despite what I have heard and said about these, I ordered a set for one of my projects, a 1988 Suzuki RGV250. It arrived after a couple of weeks in a HUGE box from China. I was blown away by the quality of the packaging, and the quality of the plastics and paints. My set is a Schwantz Pepsi replica, so has lots of graphics and decals, which were all professionally applied and clear coated. I guess you just have to do your research and go with a company that has good feedback. For $480, I am truly amazed.

Well friend, it sounds like you are one of the lucky few. The box mine arrived in was crushed on all the corners and the parts were stuffed in the box and were all wrapped in this thin foam paper. Don't get me wrong though... The parts look amazing. The paint job on them is really incredible. The decals are all applied vert precisely and there are multiple coats of clear over them. So if you are buying these parts to hang on your wall, then go for it. Otherwise, I strongly suggest you don't waste your money.

RaceBikeRentals · October 1st, 2011, 12:46 PM

Sorry you had a bad experience. There are at least a few of these sellers on eBay, so I guess you got stuck with the bad one.

TFKninja · October 4th, 2011, 12:00 AM

I have heard there are good ones and bad ones, I have just bought some, and if I have fitment issues I have a mate with a body shop that can help, The reviews on some are dispicable and others are good, there is a guy in Australia who has been to china and qc'd a few factories there. He is importing them over but putting a huge mark up on them. I was recommended the guy I have purchased from so wish me luck, I've saved thousands so far with ebay so if i get stung I'm not that bothered, I will let u know how I go. I have a thread going in farkles. ebay are really good and want to weed out the bad sellers so reporting them is the right way to go, I enquired about the shipping cost and they reassure me it is because they pack it well in a large box, that is why it's so much, Sorry for anyone who has had a bad experience, I have been to Hong Kong and I know that quality varies from one to another and there is sooo many of them there competing with one and other, I normally throw them a reason like, A note on the purchase saying I'm a dealer trialing the product or something along those lines, It helps.

massacremasses · October 4th, 2011, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFKninja

I have heard there are good ones and bad ones, I have just bought some, and if I have fitment issues I have a mate with a body shop that can help, The reviews on some are dispicable and others are good, there is a guy in Australia who has been to china and qc'd a few factories there. He is importing them over but putting a huge mark up on them. I was recommended the guy I have purchased from so wish me luck, I've saved thousands so far with ebay so if i get stung I'm not that bothered, I will let u know how I go. I have a thread going in farkles. ebay are really good and want to weed out the bad sellers so reporting them is the right way to go, I enquired about the shipping cost and they reassure me it is because they pack it well in a large box, that is why it's so much, Sorry for anyone who has had a bad experience, I have been to Hong Kong and I know that quality varies from one to another and there is sooo many of them there competing with one and other, I normally throw them a reason like, A note on the purchase saying I'm a dealer trialing the product or something along those lines, It helps.

right those who get good ones need to post up which seller it was, and bad ones need to post up the bad sellers. This is the only way we will know which guys to buy them from....

jdoucet93 · October 4th, 2011, 02:29 PM

I can tell you for sure to stay away from yes2yeah.

THE BIG SITT · October 5th, 2011, 04:56 PM

Anyone have a name of a good company from China for a complete fairing set?

TFKninja · October 8th, 2011, 05:12 AM

Maybe we should set up a name and shame thread, I am about two weeks away from receiving my fairings, when I get them and fit them I will report on my experience, I was chatting to a MC guy today and he was telling me about a mate who bought some that were great, so we know there are good ones out there, some fantastic paint jobs on them too. Patiently waiting now, hopefully good news to follow.

January 24th, 2010, 05:16 PM	#1
sixstring ninjette.org member Name: Jerry Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 09 EX250 LE Posts: 117	Full Fairing set w custom paint for under $500 ... too good to be true? Apologies if this is a repost. Ever since my crash in 09, I've been looking through ebay on a regular basis for a right side 09 se green fairing. Today, I found several posts for a full fairing set for the new gen ninja 250s. The ads say they'll paint it in any way you like and that the fairings are ABS! http://cgi.ebay.ca/07-09-KAWASAKI-FA...ht_5311wt_1212 http://cgi.ebay.ca/07-09-KAWASAKI-ZX...ht_6352wt_1000 I'm a little uneasy. What do you guys think?

January 24th, 2010, 05:30 PM	#3
Momaru ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paul Location: Roanoke, VA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Candy Plasma Blue 250R Posts: A lot.	They want another $150+ for shipping, and the typos concern me. It might be legit, but a lot of their paint "photos" look like some cheesy photoshopping __________________________________________________ Proud member of the Blue Army

January 24th, 2010, 05:41 PM	#4
kevlarorc noob motovlogger Name: Gareth Location: Austin, TX Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 250r Posts: 328	I wouldn't want to deal with it just for the broken english that's used on the descriptions. __________________________________________________ My Motovlog "Damn, either shimming the needles fixes 90% of any problems with the 250Rs, or kkim owns stock in a washer manufacturer." -DmbShn41

January 25th, 2010, 06:39 AM	#7
divingtigger Pedal Power Name: Rob Location: Winterpeg (Winnipeg) Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja EX250R Posts: 401	Ya wish I would have seen matts kit before I bought used pieces, would have saved me lot of time and money. Unless you want to buy my fairings and I'll buy from Matt __________________________________________________ Using Pedal Power

January 25th, 2010, 06:43 AM	#8
divingtigger Pedal Power Name: Rob Location: Winterpeg (Winnipeg) Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja EX250R Posts: 401	Looked over the auction again, and it says that it is for 2007 to 2009.....2007 is a different body. It also says that it comes with 12 pieces??? Did a count isn't there only 7 painted fairing pieces?? Unless it comes with the gas tank and both side pieces as well as the gauge surround and rad fairing too __________________________________________________ Using Pedal Power

January 24th, 2010, 05:20 PM	#2
austexjg ninjette.org sage Name: J.G. Location: Austin Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 zx6r Green/Black, (ex-)Diablo Black '09 Ninja 250r Posts: 959	I have heard that "fit" is an issue with these sets - one set on ebay, a guy said that no matter what he did, the headlight would not fit in the cowling properly.

January 24th, 2010, 07:12 PM	#5
wellcraft ninjette.org guru Name: JR Location: Augusta, GA Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R Posts: 432	You could consider this body kit from Matt, it looks sick. If I needed to replace my fairings I would buy them in a heart bit. link http://www.sportisimoto-usa.com/products.php

January 24th, 2010, 07:14 PM	#6
wellcraft ninjette.org guru Name: JR Location: Augusta, GA Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R Posts: 432	BTW Matt is the same as ztrack157 is you wish to contact him

January 25th, 2010, 06:23 PM	#9
sixstring ninjette.org member Name: Jerry Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 09 EX250 LE Posts: 117	I've talked with Matt about getting one of his racing bodywork kits, but last time I checked with him, he had none in stock. Has anyone bought a set and installed it on their bikes? I plan to keep my front cowl and the biggest concern I have is fit... As Matt explained to me, each kit is custom and there may (or may not) be fit issues. I suppose I'll have this problem with any aftermarket fairing thou... Another concern I have with aftermarket fairings is the lack of the foamy stuff and head sink tape on the inside of the fairings. Are fiberglass fairings more effected by heat? Will my new fairings melt?!

January 25th, 2010, 07:28 PM	#10
ztrack157 The Sportisi Master Name: Matt Location: Chico Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.	FG is what they use in mufflers it holds up just fine. Its hard to keep the bodys in stock due to their make time. Mine will fit. Its just if you choose to run the stock front I can't speak to the actual fit since I have not tried it myself. And I won't confirm something I haven't tried myself. Regardless of what sportisi tells me. __________________________________________________ Sportisimoto USA is born.

January 26th, 2010, 08:08 PM	#11
RaceBikeRentals Pimpin Name: Richard Location: Ninja 250 Whorehouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Bunch of em Posts: 973	The bodywork kits from Hong Kong have severe fitment issues. Stay away at all costs. __________________________________________________ -Richard MotoList.com <<<List your stuff!

January 27th, 2010, 04:12 AM	#12
maglin ninjette.org member Name: xaris Location: greece Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): what else? Posts: 121	Hi Richard. Have you tried this kit? __________________________________________________ -This signature rocks!!!

January 27th, 2010, 04:31 AM	#13
sugizo_esp ninjette.org newbie Name: John Location: Sydney Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R Posts: 8	Did anyone actually fitted one of these on? Or are we all prejudice? Few of my mates have after market kit from china installed. (not the ninja). and not much of a problem. You wouldn't expect top quality. But it works. I' like to see how it fits.

September 26th, 2011, 02:34 PM	#14
jdoucet93 ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Lafayette Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 509	I know this thread is old as balls. But just wanted to put in that I made the HUGE mistake of buying one of these sets off ebay. Parts and shipping came out to $488. Got the pieces, The right side lower faring was cracked in two places, the front faring was almost broken completely in half and the pieces did not fit AT ALL! The seller told me to take the pieces to a body shop to have them fixed. When I told them I just wanted a refund, all communication ceased.... Don't waste your money.

September 27th, 2011, 01:59 AM	#17
caliente103 ninjette.org member Name: HECTOR Location: Bronx NY Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 08 250r Posts: 218	http://www.kawasakifairing.com/kawas...50r-c-111.html Posted via Mobile Device

September 27th, 2011, 03:33 AM	#18
Lil_Green_Demon Winging It In Life Name: Umar Location: SoCal Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250R; 2011 250R (sold) Posts: A lot.	^^^ Hector, can you vouch for those fairings' usability & quality? __________________________________________________ 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - Apr 22, 2011; Sold - Feb 17, 2015) 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - May 01, 2017; Current)

September 27th, 2011, 06:50 AM	#20
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	soooo has anyone got those? __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

September 28th, 2011, 09:46 PM	#27
jdoucet93 ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Lafayette Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 509	If you go read through more of the reviews, just about every review for motorcycle parts is very negative.

September 29th, 2011, 08:36 AM	#28
caliente103 ninjette.org member Name: HECTOR Location: Bronx NY Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 08 250r Posts: 218	I hope u get your $ back Posted via Mobile Device

September 29th, 2011, 11:06 AM	#30
OddlyOrdinary ninjette.org member Name: Asdf Location: A Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 SE Ninja 250 Posts: 83	If you remove your negative feedback you'll get a $100, but leaves less evidence for others that come along wondering if the fairings are worth it. I guess it's a toss up, but I'd try to go through ebay and not revise the feedback.

September 29th, 2011, 07:07 PM	#32
Havok Internet Slut Name: Jeff Location: L.A. Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 04 FZ1, 07 FZ6 Posts: A lot.	For how much these things cost with shipping and all that, i would think as long as you dont need the tank painted a good body shop should be able to patch/bondo and paint them for around the same amount of money when all is said and done.

October 1st, 2011, 06:54 AM	#33
RaceBikeRentals Pimpin Name: Richard Location: Ninja 250 Whorehouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Bunch of em Posts: 973	Despite what I have heard and said about these, I ordered a set for one of my projects, a 1988 Suzuki RGV250. It arrived after a couple of weeks in a HUGE box from China. I was blown away by the quality of the packaging, and the quality of the plastics and paints. My set is a Schwantz Pepsi replica, so has lots of graphics and decals, which were all professionally applied and clear coated. I guess you just have to do your research and go with a company that has good feedback. For $480, I am truly amazed. __________________________________________________ -Richard MotoList.com <<<List your stuff!

October 1st, 2011, 12:46 PM	#35
RaceBikeRentals Pimpin Name: Richard Location: Ninja 250 Whorehouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Bunch of em Posts: 973	Sorry you had a bad experience. There are at least a few of these sellers on eBay, so I guess you got stuck with the bad one. __________________________________________________ -Richard MotoList.com <<<List your stuff!

October 4th, 2011, 12:00 AM	#36
TFKninja ninjette.org member Name: Pete Location: Perth Australia Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 ninja 250r Posts: 75	I have heard there are good ones and bad ones, I have just bought some, and if I have fitment issues I have a mate with a body shop that can help, The reviews on some are dispicable and others are good, there is a guy in Australia who has been to china and qc'd a few factories there. He is importing them over but putting a huge mark up on them. I was recommended the guy I have purchased from so wish me luck, I've saved thousands so far with ebay so if i get stung I'm not that bothered, I will let u know how I go. I have a thread going in farkles. ebay are really good and want to weed out the bad sellers so reporting them is the right way to go, I enquired about the shipping cost and they reassure me it is because they pack it well in a large box, that is why it's so much, Sorry for anyone who has had a bad experience, I have been to Hong Kong and I know that quality varies from one to another and there is sooo many of them there competing with one and other, I normally throw them a reason like, A note on the purchase saying I'm a dealer trialing the product or something along those lines, It helps. __________________________________________________

October 4th, 2011, 02:29 PM	#38
jdoucet93 ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Lafayette Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 509	I can tell you for sure to stay away from yes2yeah.

October 5th, 2011, 04:56 PM	#39
THE BIG SITT ninjette.org sage Name: Andy Location: Indianapolis Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 771	Anyone have a name of a good company from China for a complete fairing set?

October 8th, 2011, 05:12 AM	#40
TFKninja ninjette.org member Name: Pete Location: Perth Australia Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 ninja 250r Posts: 75	Maybe we should set up a name and shame thread, I am about two weeks away from receiving my fairings, when I get them and fit them I will report on my experience, I was chatting to a MC guy today and he was telling me about a mate who bought some that were great, so we know there are good ones out there, some fantastic paint jobs on them too. Patiently waiting now, hopefully good news to follow. __________________________________________________