March 19th, 2012, 11:10 AM | #41 | |
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Shift down procedure! Say you're in 4th gear and your throttle is at position 5. * Quickly pull in the clutch lever as far as it will go, then immediately... * move the throttle to position 1 (fully closed), while simultaneously... * pushing the shifter down so you drop into third gear, then immediately... * move the throttle to position 6, while simultaneously... * letting the clutch lever out to engage the gear. On that last step you should not quickly let clutch the lever out. If you quickly let the lever out and you didn't select a suitable throttle position for your current wheel speed then the bike will jolt. It will take some time to get used to the feel of your clutch. When you're used to your clutch you'll be able to let it out much quicker... you'll learn know at what point the clutch plates touch and also how to feel for when there is a revs/wheel-speed mismatch and that you should more gently let it out or make a quick last minute adjustment to the revs. For now, just let it out slowly... for example... take 1 whole second (or maybe 1.5 seconds) to move the clutch from fully disengaged (lever in) to fully engaged (lever out). Shift up procedure! Say you're in 3rd gear and your throttle is at position 5. * Quickly pull in the clutch lever as far as it will go, then immediately... * move the throttle to position 1 (fully closed), while simultaneously... * pushing the shifter up so you move up to forth gear, then immediately... * move the throttle to position 4, while simultaneously... * letting the clutch lever out to engage the gear. |
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March 19th, 2012, 11:14 AM | #42 | |
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March 19th, 2012, 11:16 AM | #43 |
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And after I've downshifted.. I should close the throttle to slow the bike down via engine braking right?
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March 19th, 2012, 11:17 AM | #44 | |
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March 19th, 2012, 11:19 AM | #45 |
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Yup. The upshifting is easy and pretty smooth. Just downshifting is a bit tough
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March 19th, 2012, 11:19 AM | #46 |
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Nope. Typically there is no engine braking involved in the process of shifting... unless you're deliberately trying to slow the bike down using engine braking. I'd forget the engine braking thing just for the moment if I were you and just concentrate on the shifting I described above. If you did the shift procedures I described above absolutely perfectly then there would be almost no engine braking at all and you'd get this lovely feeling inside that you just made a perfect shift without so much much as jolting the bike even a tiny bit!
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March 19th, 2012, 11:21 AM | #47 |
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Also... I don't know what your Ninja 650 is like, but I know that on the Ninja 250, 1st gear is a bit weird compared to the other gears. It feels quite jumpy. The shifting procedures I described above might feel a bit wonky with that gear.
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March 19th, 2012, 11:23 AM | #48 | |
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March 19th, 2012, 11:24 AM | #49 |
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Yeah same with the 650
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March 19th, 2012, 12:08 PM | #50 |
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question- when hard on the front brakes after dropping a few gears after a straight, my rear wheel slides about back and forth. if i turn in during this, it slides out drift-style and disrupts the suspension when it finally gets traction again. (it hooks up abruptly instead of smoothly) sitting father back on the bike helps, but it still slips. do i need a slipper clutch? how can i get it to hook up smoother? would a little rear brake extend the slip a little bit so when it starts to hook up it will be smoother? maybe i should slip the clutch more while braking?
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March 19th, 2012, 12:34 PM | #51 | |
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@alex.s question is way beyond my noobie knowledge, but I can finish answering your question @akshay11
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Say you're in 4th gear and your throttle is at position 5. * Quickly pull in the clutch lever as far as it will go, then immediately... * move the throttle to position 1 (fully closed), while simultaneously... * pushing the shifter down so you drop into third gear, then immediately... * move the throttle to position 4, while simultaneously... * continuously, slowly and at the same pace letting the clutch lever out to engage the gear. As you slowly let the clutch out you will achieve engine braking. * when the clutch lever is completely out, repeat the above steps in order to move down to a lower gear. Disclaimer: Everything I've told you is stuff that works for me and that seems to be common techniques, but I'm still a new-rider. I'm sure a more experienced rider (eg @alex.s) will chime in if I've said anything that is incorrect or could be improved upon. Feels nice to help out a new rider if I can! |
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March 19th, 2012, 12:34 PM | #52 | |
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I am not suggesting this for novices, people with heavy hands or for a while after changing bikes |
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March 19th, 2012, 01:25 PM | #53 | |
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Blip down one more time and trailbrake in. Your going to fast for the rear to maintain traction. From seeing some of your posted stuff your most likely ready. Chat with someone that has followed your or seen you ride at the track. I spent the whole day working this skill on the street at less than speed limit speeds because my buddy on a R1 had a spent tire. Had to make the ride interesting ya know.... Different corners feel different braking while leaned over (not max lean). Elevation changes effects this too. Unless you built up the line, no trailbraking on an uphill, off camber incline (I think you already learned that one ). [sarcasm] Now on the flip side, if you can learn to control it, your 50% of the way to having fun in the wet. [/sarcasm]
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March 19th, 2012, 02:03 PM | #54 | |
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March 19th, 2012, 02:07 PM | #55 |
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suspension set? your weight, damp and rebound? we should start a new thread on this/that.
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March 19th, 2012, 02:14 PM | #56 |
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im about to do some major suspension/arm changes to both bikes so ill start a thread when i get around to it.
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April 10th, 2012, 02:49 AM | #57 |
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Ive been doing this lately: Pull in clutch, Downshift + Blip , let go clutch. Am i doing it right? like engine braking. Im having trouble applying the front brake while blipping so i just blip without front brake...=/...help
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April 10th, 2012, 06:05 AM | #58 | |
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It also don't matter if you coming to a stop of setting corner entry speed. Blipping down to 35mph for a corner is the same procedure as blipping down for a 0mph stop.
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