who says a car can't out run SS bikes?

[subxero]

Link to original page on YouTube.

[Sirref]

You've got to take into account the price point difference as well as the acceleration difference. Before the bike tops out it will generally win in acceleration but fast cars have always had top speed on bikes and likely will continue to.

[subxero]

more of a rhetorical question

but while we are on the subject, powerful bikes are limited in their acceleration due to front wheel lift when starting from 0 or other low speeds, to much power down and you will just loop it so it requires far more skill to launch than a car. Despite price point I also think it is only fair to compare what is essentially a civilian available race bike to a car of similar stature.

Can't really compare an r1 to a mustang, apples and oranges

[nickjpass]

Price difference of course...also the R1 is not the quickest liter bike. Put that merc up against a grand prix prototype

[subxero]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

Price difference of course...also the R1 is not the quickest liter bike. Put that merc up against a grand prix prototype

again grand prix prototype would then have to go against an F1 car to be fair

have to keep things in the same league here. There is a lot more material and time/labor that goes into a car, hence more money

[quarterliter]

Don't those R1s have a 300 kmh limiter? That's why it never exceed 300 and only went 299.

[subxero]

^ perhaps, don't know, but I feel that if Yamaha felt the need to put a 300kph limiter on a bike it is for the sake of the engine and not to hold it's top speed back

regardless, I thought the video was crazy, and posted it. Title of thread is more for attention grabbing and funnzies please do not get all scientific real on me why this was not a good race and answer the question in the title

[jeffb502]

I had an SL63 AMG behind me on the freeway when I made my trip down to Orange County on the 300. We were both stuck behind somebody doing 70 in the fast lane. As soon as a gap opened up in the lane to the right and it was obvious the slow car wasn't going to move over I went to pass on the right, and the SL63 followed me. I made my pass reasonably quickly, trying to get out of the way of the SL63 behind that was also passing on the right. I glanced down and my speedometer said I was doing 103. As soon as Mr. SL63 got back into the fast lane in front of the slow driver I rolled off, and he slowed down after getting back into the fast lane and passing me. Just as we were slowed down to about 80-85 a CHP motorcycle got on 4 lanes to our right and passed us doing at least 120 in the slow lane lol.

The next slow car in the fast lane the guy in the SL63 really got on it for his pass on the right. He was gone very quickly.

[nickjpass]

Same league for me...means same amount of money. A $100k bike would probably beat a $100k car.

[choneofakind]

So basically now we need to compare a liter bike to an Atom3 on a real racetrack. Just so I can drool.


none of this straight line business. We all know that a high-powered car wins just on drag coefficient and horsepower alone.

[nickjpass]

That would be a real interesting race...not sure why no one has a done a real good one. I've seen an m5 vs a s1krr, but that's not fair, and the track was wet i believe. The bike one...if i remember correctly.

[csmith12]

There is a youtube vid of a f1 car, a stock car and a motogp bike on a road course that the average track day rider would ride. Guess who comes in last?

[ForceofWill]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

Same league for me...means same amount of money. A $100k bike would probably beat a $100k car.

Lol stop talking out your ass Nick.

The strip or track cars still take it. Bikes are very easy to get pretty fast but hit a ceiling that cars don't.

[Whiskey]

Hell in a straight line a busa can outrun most heliopters, but do you want to get the police one over the motorway to follow you just to prove it...

I think the 300kph limit was as an agreement between the big 4 jap bike companies to end their top speed war & avoid the jap lawmakers deciding on a much lower limit.

Have to agree with @nickjpass, what will give you most bang for your buck.

[nickjpass]

Originally Posted by csmith12

There is a youtube vid of a f1 car, a stock car and a motogp bike on a road course that the average track day rider would ride. Guess who comes in last?

If you're talking about the Top Gear race, it was a Formula one car driven by Mark Webber I believe, an Australian V8 race car, and casey stoner on a stock cbr1000rr. The bike was over three laps behind. Had it been up against a F1 car, still probably would have lost. F1 car's can corner much quicker...it has all the downforce that a motorcycle doesn't.

Don't mean to turn this into a car vs bike argument... I know you know your stuff csmith12

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

Don't mean to turn this into a car vs bike argument...

You didn't, it's the overall tone of the thread. All that needs to happen is for someone to link that video and this thread is pretty much done.

[Xtina]

Most liter bikes have a speed limiter of 299kmh.

[nickjpass]

It's the Top Gear Sydney special, Netflix may have it. Not sure.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[ninjamunky85]

The truth is that a fast bike is no faster than a fast car, in the straights or the turns, the bike will usually be faster 0-100 and the car will usually have a higher top speed.

Unless you've got something like this.

Link to original page on YouTube.

But yeah, it's performance for the $$$ where the bike wins. A new liter bike cost 13k where a new vette costs 60K+.

[rojoracing53]

My ninja 250 is as fast as a 370Z around laguna seca. The times on track that we do with the 600's pretty much kills any super-car without aftermarket down force. If you look up each tracks car club lap records for certain cars you'll be surprised where the little 250 falls much less the 600-1000's.

[rojoracing53]

Just an opinion but as someones here who's actually ridden at 300kph a lot that video doesn't look like 300kph. Remember a lot of liter bike owner shorten their gearing a little bit because the bike are geared really tall from the factory and when you shorten your gearing you speedo reads equally higher speeds.

[ninjamunky85]

Link to original page on YouTube.

[ninjamunky85]

Originally Posted by quarterliter

Don't those R1s have a 300 kmh limiter? That's why it never exceed 300 and only went 299.

Yep, they sure do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Hayabusa

In 2000, fears of a European regulatory backlash or import ban[15][16][17] led to an informal agreement between the Japanese and European manufacturers to limit the top speed of their motorcycles at an arbitrary limit.[18]

The limit is 299 KmH,.. of course that can be changed with mods.

[dcj13]

Those guys were going 187 MPH on public roads, doing dangerous passes and risking their and other's lives. If there was an accident, it would be a closed-casket memorial service. Don't mean to be a prude, but that ain't right.

[misfitsailor]

Originally Posted by dcj13

Don't mean to be a prude, but that ain't right.

Yeah, that car driver and that rider were zooming around slower traffic as if they were playing a video game!

[7oxSin]

Originally Posted by dcj13

Those guys were going 187 MPH on public roads, doing dangerous passes and risking their and other's lives. If there was an accident, it would be a closed-casket memorial service. Don't mean to be a prude, but that ain't right.

closed casket? more like coffee can with your remains poured in!

[CycleCam303]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

My ninja 250 is as fast as a 370Z around laguna seca. The times on track that we do with the 600's pretty much kills any super-car without aftermarket down force. If you look up each tracks car club lap records for certain cars you'll be surprised where the little 250 falls much less the 600-1000's.

Its pretty funny to think the ninja 250 is slow as balls and it can run with what we consider sporty cars.

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by CycleCam303

Its pretty funny to think the ninja 250 is slow as balls and it can run with what we consider sporty cars.

sheer weight difference in play hahaha.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by CycleCam303

Its pretty funny to think the ninja 250 is slow as balls and it can run with what we consider sporty cars.

That's because you're comparing with realistic cars, not 200,000 Mercedes AMG black edition cars with a supercharged V12 that with smoke the rear tires with nothing more than a sneeze on the gas pedal. :P

You know better than I that the 250 is capable of keeping up with some fun cars when you're on fun roads. but this super car stuff on the highway... Not so much.

I like little sporty cars. Like 370Z and S2000 and the like. Heck, my tC is the most 'sporty' thing I've driven long term.

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

That's because you're comparing with realistic cars, not 200,000 Mercedes AMG black edition cars with a supercharged V12 that with smoke the rear tires with nothing more than a sneeze on the gas pedal. :P

You know better than I that the 250 is capable of keeping up with some fun cars when you're on fun roads. but this super car stuff on the highway... Not so much.

I like little sporty cars. Like 370Z and S2000 and the like. Heck, my tC is the most 'sporty' thing I've driven long term.

Yeah well I care about how fast a super car can go in a strait line about as much as how fast some guys turbo Busa is in a strait line.

Priorities: everyone has them but only mine are correct

[ForceofWill]

My bike is for the twisties. The car is for the strip.

[akima]

Originally Posted by ninjamunky85

Link to original page on YouTube.

I've heard it said that with motorcycles performance is 30% bike, 70% rider. With our four wheeled friends it's 70% car, 30% driver. Those numbers are clearly silly, but I think the underlying message is true; that the rider makes a bigger difference than the driver.

With that in mind; for Clarkson to say that the CBR 600 was 4 seconds slower than the Atom is... ridiculous.

[Sirref]

Considering that it was quicker than a carerra gt I can believe that it crushed the cbr. However, I also think that they didn't have the a rider who could use 100% of the cbr's performance around their track for that comparison.

[Bob2010]

I liked the related video. Twin turbo Lamborghini vs zx10
http://youtu.be/7P3ZoAWtOp0

Link to original page on YouTube.

[Sirref]

This one was better

Link to original page on YouTube.

[nickjpass]

That's an older zx10r, like an 04 or 05 i think.

Here's a cool video. I think the Gijjxxer sounds pretty sexxay.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[akima]

^ I like his ankles

[nickjpass]

They're sexy

lol

[choneofakind]

I like this one better. There's a few things they could have done differently to reduce the number of variables being tested, but of course the outcome is better IMHO

But really, let's just enjoy two beautiful machines on a freakin' sweet track.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[akima]

@choneofakind: great vid. The rider was looking badass in his full leathers and body armour, but the driver looked like he had just had his breakfast and stepped into his car for a commute to work!