June 20th, 2014, 07:40 PM | #2 |
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Did he/she run?
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June 20th, 2014, 09:14 PM | #3 |
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Not entirely sure if its running or taking the exit to find a safe place to stop... Least that's what I would be thinking *after* letting the officer know I am complying with being pulled over (I hit my hazards if i can't pull over safely right away).
I don't know if that's right or not, but figure I would rather be someplace both s/he and I are safe in when dealing with whatever than just pulling over immediately regardless.
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June 20th, 2014, 10:48 PM | #4 |
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Looks like lane splitting is legal there? I'm assuming Cali?
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June 20th, 2014, 11:04 PM | #5 |
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That looks like SF, 850 bryant st
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June 20th, 2014, 11:08 PM | #6 |
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Yep, Cali plates. I was going to say it looked like NY or Boston but it would be wrong for a cop getting angry while doing something he shouldn't be.
It was the driver's fault. I hate drivers who immediately change lanes the second they put on their blinker, it doesn't justify them to switch lanes if all you're doing is barging your way through, you have to make other riders / drivers aware that you need to move into another lane..
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June 21st, 2014, 12:33 PM | #7 |
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I wished they made filtering legal in the US (as long as riders don't abuse it).
Only allowed to filter if traveling under 20mph? I'll be so happy with that! And $200 fines + points for riders that break this privilege. Of course there has to be new driver training to include keeping an eye out for riders filtering in near stand still traffic. But that's another discussion for another day. |
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June 21st, 2014, 12:44 PM | #8 | |
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June 22nd, 2014, 09:36 PM | #9 |
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That was classic. I bet that driver will learn to look before they barge.
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June 23rd, 2014, 06:44 PM | #11 | |
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I split sometimes but only to filter when I'm riding on the far right or far left of the road
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June 23rd, 2014, 08:20 PM | #13 |
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Try driving rush hour in Boston with every soccer mom in their SUVs quickly changing directions with out even looking. There ARE too many blind spots in a car and too many people jumping in and out of traffic for lane splitting to be equitable here, sorry.
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June 23rd, 2014, 08:28 PM | #14 |
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June 23rd, 2014, 08:34 PM | #15 |
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You also can't forget where the most accidents do happen.. sadly there's too many cons to splitting, there's no arguing that.
I want it to be legal, don't get me wrong, I like to filter, so I would rather not get in trouble. The idiots who might abuse it by intentionally going faster than a cars speed during moving traffic and get side-swiped or wonder why they got ran over by a lane changing car is what boggles my mind.. Every car has a bad blind spot.
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June 23rd, 2014, 08:39 PM | #16 |
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June 23rd, 2014, 08:46 PM | #18 |
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June 23rd, 2014, 08:52 PM | #20 |
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Right. They happen at less than 35 mph, less than 10 miles from home, not on interstates. Most single vehicle motorcycle accidents involve alcohol, excess speed, or some combination of the two.
Or something to that effect. Your point? FYI: The Hurt Report covered all this. The wikipedia page (which i'm sure you won't actually read, making this entire post useless) will be a good starting point for you to do more research so you can start backing your claims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurt_Report |
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June 23rd, 2014, 09:07 PM | #21 | |
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"Lane splitting is never mentioned anywhere in the Hurt Report, and all of the data was collected in California, so no comparison was made between of lane splitting vs. non-lane splitting"
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June 23rd, 2014, 09:16 PM | #22 |
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Both valid points. At least you chose to read something that was posted for once.
Sure it's dated. There's a new one in the works for the last few years, not in CA. so there's that. and dude, CA drivers are still bad because they're unaware. Many (nearly half, iirc) didn't even know it was legal when asked about it. [citation needed] I remember something about it in one of the "LANE SPLITTING RARRRRRR!" threads a while back. Public education campaign is needed for this to be everywhere else. Don't blame the blind spots on a car, blame the sack of meat behind the steering wheel who refuses to check over his shoulders. Look to places where lane sharing works, like the UK. Why does it work? Public education during drivers ed. Public education through commercials, billboards, and a general public that accepts motorcycling as a valid form of transit. Don't blame the car, educate the drivers. |
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June 23rd, 2014, 09:19 PM | #23 | |
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June 23rd, 2014, 09:29 PM | #24 |
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Yes! I agree with all that, and it makes 100% sense, but we have to think logically, and for our safety.. there will always be dumb drivers. People swerving in and out of our lane. There will ALWAYS be (and is an everyday occurrence) people who barge into lanes with out even blinkering because they almost missed their exit. It will never cease to exist, I personally think licenses shouldn't be available until your at least 21, and it should be much harder to earn. Us children are too freaking immature this day and age to own something as big as a car or a motorbike.
Until the US makes motorcycle only lanes (Like those UK, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Taiwan) splitting lanes just seems more of a dangerous thing to be attempting than a positive for me. And that's my opinion, doesn't matter how many of you down vote my post.. Instead of telling me I'm wrong how about you tell me what's right so I can learn from you?
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June 23rd, 2014, 09:37 PM | #26 |
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You must be a pro.. Tell me how the cop in OP's post could have avoided being cut off like that, other than braking, imagine him going 10mph faster than he was. Were wings going to come out of his exhaust pipe and lift him to safety?
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June 23rd, 2014, 09:55 PM | #30 |
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well, i have around 25k miles of lane splitting through LA traffic. (i commuted 120 miles each day through terrible traffic) does that make me a pro? news flash, cars don't turn into the side of other cars in traffic. (unless they are intentionally trying to block you like in the video you posted) they turn into gaps in traffic. you can easily line up all your passes so they happen only when people are directly next to other cars. addressing your whole riding on the right shoulder, that's really stupid. people expect that to be the "this is where i'm pulling over to stop" place. literally nobody except bicyclists who are driving a car look before pulling there, including motorcyclists. i could go on and on but i'm not going to because you haven't even tried to do any sort of reading on how to lane split.
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maybe I'm being ironic; but in my area, if it was legal, it's just a hard thing to pull off and you're bound to get into an accident faster than if you weren't splitting just because you wanted to make it home 4 minutes earlier.. Quote:
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A) watching is not seeing. you can watch something without understanding why someone is doing something. B) you are tested literally every time you ride. if you don't think lane splitting means avoiding people constantly trying to murder you, you are wrong. is it life threatening? absolutely. is it something that you can avoid if you are skilled, vigilant and careful? 100%. C) literally the entire rest of the world lane splits. and it works out fine. so your logic doesn't pan out. there isn't a major difference between american roads and people and many other countries and peoples.
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have you never seen a motorcycle involved in a rear-end accident? i have been inches away from being rear ended twice. a brake light hit my leg. if i was in the center of the lane instead of off to the side i would have been sandwhiched between two cars.
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June 23rd, 2014, 10:13 PM | #34 | |
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It's such a weak pro of splitting. but brings us to arguing over and over the benefits again.. There actually seems like there are more cons than pro's in splitting, it's not justifiable, IMO, doesn't matter if you've been doing it all your life. You can look at a bodybuilder who's been doing steroids and keeping healthy his whole life but that just isn't good logic. Its like smoking. It doesn't kill most people but it messes up a whole lot.
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June 23rd, 2014, 10:21 PM | #36 |
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Where's the wizard that told you this? I must have missed him
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June 23rd, 2014, 10:23 PM | #38 |
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Does he live in California by any chance?
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June 23rd, 2014, 10:26 PM | #39 |
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I did read it, and again, read my post from before. It's a 32 year old study that was done in (drumroll) Cali... man.
Lane splitting is never mentioned anywhere in the Hurt Report, and all of the data was collected in California, so no comparison was made between of lane splitting vs. non-lane splitting
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