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Has anyone said a cutie with a booty yet?
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November 18th, 2014, 07:54 PM | #42 |
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if anything that would be detrimental to your learning though, you don't want to stare at your coach you want to look ahead where they're looking.
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So that's why I only learn where coaches booty looks the best you sir are a genius
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November 18th, 2014, 08:01 PM | #44 |
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that would be a distraction.
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After that I look for attitude, that guy/girl that thinks they've got a handle on everything and that they don't need much help, or the one that keeps asking about different, more advanced techniques. It's pretty hard to identify riders before they head out on track though, I've had some crazy surprises, regular looking guys that I think will be average pace hit the track hauling. Or guys that I think will be fast that are super slow. You can't really tell. Other than that I really like to listen to my students and question them on what I hear them say. I get pretty good at coaching people without even seeing them ride based on what I hear them say or on questions I ask them about their riding that lead me towards the problems that they are having on track. Hope that helps
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I see, thanks again Misti. I got me a metal list going now.
Underconfidence Overconfidence Questions/comments that are beyond skill level Questions/comments that are scattered or do not connect with each other Questions/comments about bike/setup problems or riding/track conditions Overall attitude And.... the quiet ones Seen that a few times myself. From the super slow/cautious, to the rider that shakes it off in a few sessions in novice and then starts pushing midpack intermediate while riding pretty well and comfortable. Interesting stuff....
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I didn't read all the posts, but the first 20 or so not a single person mentioned positive reinforcement. I like a teacher that will point out what you did RIGHT and then applaud you for it and make you feel good and then you'll continue to do it. Then they can add a few criticizing comments in between.
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What an interesting summary of the generation gap, specifically how teaching styles have changed in such a short amount of time and where the focus has shifted to. Which of course goes back to the earlier comment of having an instructor know what teaching style/method works best for the student. But that is also huge upon the student to communicate how they are going to get the best value out of the session. When I was on the track and had a coach follow me or lead me and the summarize what happened, I really wanted the critique. What I do wrong or what can be improved (two different things, by the way) was what really helped me improve my riding. When I took a street course and had the instructor talking to me at the time, that REALLY helped as I was able to make corrections with each and every corner until I got the technique down. He would comment on whatever wasn't right, offer a suggestion, then I would put it into practice the next turn. That was perfect for me. For me, hearing what is wrong or hearing what can be improved is what I seek out coaching for. If I do something right, I only want it brought up to compare against what is wrong so I can see the difference and improve upon what needs work.
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No offense taken. I obviously care about knowing what i'm doing wrong. But I also like to hear what I am doing right as well. I believe in positive reinforcement for every aspect of life. Punishment vs reward and reward is more effective. I'm a college student and I get teachers who grade my papers, I HATE it when then just write what I did wrong. I really like it when they put comments saying "well put!" or "Great idea!" etc. There should be a balance... in my opinion and I feel like a lot of people lack that key balance.
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I'm planning on switching the suspension and wheels for better grip and stiffer forks but I feel as though it may have something to do with a rider skill/rider error that I don't really realize that I'm doing.
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November 20th, 2014, 04:09 PM | #54 |
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Ben, I asked you to drop a lb or 2 in pressure to give you a "tangible reason" to relax, it wasn't gunna hurt either way at the pace we were riding. I then asked how you felt the change was? If I remember right, it was somewhat better, but it was your first day at a new track 1k miles from home too. So I expected a certain amount mental/riding conflicts. I get em too, especially going to the track alone or with just Jade.
From riding with you and to help Misti with your question; The good: You consistently have good throttle rolls You are not too tight on the bars that I was able to see You seem to be looking at the right places at the right times, the meatballs make that pretty easy at jennings You don't consistently charge corners You don't turn in too early The areas of improvement: You sometimes get off the seat a bit late You sometimes make mid corner steering corrections There is much to visual skills you can learn and work on Faith in your ability to slow the bike quickly (ie braking) Bluntness: Your biggest weakness is you "want it" too much which makes you "try too hard" and ride tight (I don't mean too tight on the bars) instead of loose and flowing, I can see the tenseness in your shoulders in the pics and video. You know how everyone there came back from a session, removed their helmet and was smiling ear to ear? Do you feel the same way after a session? Your doing great and focused on skillz, even earning my trust to get close to you mid corner. A complete 180 turn in your riding since your first posted track day, but... don't forget to have fun and relax along the way. Ya know? Subtleness: Your front setup is weak to be pushing your luck on the track at a pace beyond its ability to keep it's midstroke range. Between one lap to another, your pace through any given corner can be different. For example; lap 1, turn 8 @43mph and all is well, lap 3, turn 8 @51mph and it may not feel good at all. Since your not paying attention to your speedo, it's easy to miss that you're going faster than before. And simply put, you may have just pushed beyond your bike's setup/tire/grip/rider combo. I super rarely blame it on the bike, but I do believe you have to keep the bike's setup better (more capable) than the rider whenever possible. In general, the bike should be an "enabler" not a limiting factor. Now, out of the list I gave you, which could cause traction issues?
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November 20th, 2014, 04:22 PM | #55 |
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Actually you had me increase the tire pressure a bit since it was a bit too low to start. We went from 19lbs in the front and 30lbs in the rear to 27lbs front and rear. That made a pretty big positive difference in front end feel.
Mid-corner steering corrections would probably do the trick to lose grip on the front since it'd be asking for more grip where there is none to ask for. I admit I do "want it" quite a bit but I am enjoying myself in the process. I could stand to loosen up a bit and enjoy myself a bit more, but that's a general personality trait that holds up in other areas of my life as well. Considering that I don't even have a speedo and the fact that the issues only popped up on the 3rd day as well as the lap I followed you on the first day it's possible that I over-rode the tire/suspension combo but I do feel that it was just as much me as the bike. We'll see how much of a difference the 17" DRII tires + stiffer forks makes. Thinking about it I did have a tendency to alter the line slightly between 13+14 around the time I would finish my roll on and that's where I was having the biggest issue with front end feel/chatter/traction loss
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November 20th, 2014, 04:29 PM | #56 |
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Ah right! 19lbs.... hahahahahhaha wow, that could have been so much worse.
Tip for your next trip to Jennings then (maybe in Feb ). Turns 13 and 14 are two separate turns until you get your pace up a bit more. Once the pace increases, braking, turn in points are adjusted and you visually figure out the corner(s) in your head (make other reference points that work for you), then 13 & 14 blend together into one large line through them both. Until then, you turn for 13 and complete the turn. Stand the bike up a bit and turn again for 14. You can also hook turn for 14 if that feels better for you.
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Oh! I also love how honest your being with yourself. It's a credit to your riding.
Edit: Google up or ask what the negative aspects are to "adding lean + throttle at the same time".
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I don't think I'll be able to make it in Feb, time will tell though. I'll definitely keep that in mind next time I head down to jennings though.
A hook turn is where you have the bike leaned over already and you hang off more to steer the bike just that little bit without using the bars right?
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November 20th, 2014, 04:50 PM | #59 |
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At a high level yes, but I can't explain it any better than what you can see/read it in the TOTWII. If you were to watch the video, it is explained the the context of double apex corners. I however like the term "linked" corners. ie. where the "rider's preferred line" connects the corners together in such a way that a steering/line adjustment is needed while leaned over. There are a few ways to handle it and the hook turn is but one of them.
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One more nugget!
Before you get into the hook turn, which is a pretty advanced skill in itself. Let's make sure you got a good handle on the basic art of turning. Next time we are out on the track together, we are going to focus on countersteering. Sure it sounds soooooooo novice right, I agree. One of my biggest breakthroughs as a rider came when I realized just how effective a "100% committed" countersteer/quick flick to set my line was. I stopped GUESSING what my bike was going to do and TOLD my bike what it was going to do. Food for thought....
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I hadn't realized that would be something good to work on because it's so basic but thinking about it I do spend a bit of time wondering about my steering, which is likely where that mid-corner steering correction comes from. If I can improve my visual skills at the same time and be able to better pinpoint the best possible line before I turn in and know exactly how much steering input it would take to ride that line I can see how my riding would be much smoother.
edit: I think I may very well be guilty of this
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Man.... I just watched your day 3 vid. Judging from that video and the time I was behind you, there is little chance of you convincing me that you're consistently turning in early. In fact you late apex most of the back section. You got 5 or 6 track days past you now, you're doing great. Your overall pace has increased considerably and you got a knee down even.... Celebrate man!!!! Your doing everything that a coach would want you to do and more.
If you want something to work on; You got a bit of "lazy steering" going on but it aint too bad really. (I would bet you're seeing the lazy steering as the early turn in and fyi, lazy steering is common in 13-14 ) Find some visual markers and hit them EVERY time... Don't let the rider in front of you... yea that guy... don't let his riding leak into yours. And from the vid, how in the world did that gent crash on the entrance to turn 7? That seems like a strange place.
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Watch 5:37 of that video, the crash happened the exact same way. I was intending to pass there into 7. Had I been on a 675 daytona I'd have been the victim of that crash where the ducati rider swooped from right to left in one quick unpredictable motion. The ducati rider hit the triumph's brake lever causing him to endo very painfully.
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I remember one student was getting frustrated that I was telling him he was doing a good job in corner x and when I asked him where he thought he was doing well he said, "everywhere, I'm doing the technique right, I want something more advanced." So I said, "so, you're Valentino Rossi then? You're turning the bike as fast as he does and rolling on the gas as hard?" That got his attention and he was cool with admitting that he could do better and making a plan with me to get it done. :dance cool: I think a good mix of positive reinforcement with mention of where improvements could be made is the idea. Quote:
From what you say above, it probably has something to do with extra body movements that you might be making (when you are hanging off the bike and how stable you are on the bike), how quickly you are turning the bike and your throttle control through the corner. I just read more of the thread and saw your comments below... Quote:
If I was your coach I would have you focus on the two step visual technique where you look into the corner and spot your apex point BEFORE you actually turn the bike. What this will do is help you have a specific point to aim for mid corner which will automatically enable you to turn the bike quicker and with more accuracy then if you just looked and turned at the same time. Does that make sense? By getting your bike turned quicker will then enable you to roll on the gas sooner so that you aren't "making up for lost time" by whacking the throttle on or dealing with mid corner steering corrections because you will have a more predictable and consistent line. I think if you work on your visual skills first and look into the corner before you actually turn the bike you will notice a big difference in your overall riding and many of the problems you listed above will improve. Let me know what you think and how it goes
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I think that advice applies to me quite a bit, I attempt to use the 2 step already however when I use it I tend to drift a little bit to the inside of the corner so what I need to work on there is to look without going and then turn my steering motion into one clean steering movement.
From the looks of it both of you have similar advice and my root problem can be found very early on in the corner. I believe by cleaning up the early turn in and creating more confidence with my visual skills and ability to accurately steer my motorcycle I should be able to be smoother through the corner as well as be able to accelerate out of the corner more rather than be messing with an extra steering correction. I'd be effectively lapping faster and riding safer at the same time. I don't believe that I'm creating a large amount of extra body movement mid-corner but I can't know that for sure without a forward facing rear-cam to focus on my body positioning. I'll keep that in mind the next time I hit the track though.
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Ben, you got the steering aim of a cross-eye armadillo hahahahhahah jk man... but was fun to type.
But we are gunna fix ya up to where your are precise as a space shuttle engineer responsible for getting monkeys to da moon without shattin' themselves in their own suits.
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November 25th, 2014, 05:48 PM | #68 |
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I get the feeling that the second half of that was fun to type as well
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Actually the corners in which I had the most issues were the corners in which I changed my turn in point the most, the apex at jennings is very easy to be consistent with due to the "meatballs" they put at every apex.
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Interesting Lane, I have had the exact opposite experience with those who are naturally talented. But then again, I guess my low bar for communication skills could be higher than the average.
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Ok, so the apex is easy to be consistent with but you were finding that your turn in point was changing in the turns you were having the most issue with? What if you just concentrated on looking to the APEX (never mind your turn in point for now). As you are approaching the corner you try to look to the apex, the very specific spot you want the bike to end up....what could that help you with?
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the solution when running wide is to roll off the throttle to tighten up the turn which is far from ideal and can result in losing the front. Leaning the body more off the bike to force the bike to go slightly tighter could work as well but it's still not a situation you want to be in.
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Location: tustin/long beach
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Name: Misti
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What things can you do to help you push your turn in point a little later or deeper?
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