March 26th, 2012, 06:42 PM | #81 | |
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I'm not sure I'm getting my point accross and to be honest I'm not really sure I have a point but I don't necessarily disagree with you. Just that we seem to have the belief that learning on anything bigger than a 250 is wreckless and anything smaller is underpowered. |
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March 26th, 2012, 07:20 PM | #82 |
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It's right here
I rode my 250 for the first time in a few weeks and I was amazed at how much easier it is to ride than my 650. I have to be careful to restrain my throttle hand on the 650 to avoid losing control, I don't on the 250. Plain and simple, the 250 is just easier to ride, even for me.
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March 26th, 2012, 08:42 PM | #83 | |
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Is it difficult to move between the 2 bikes? Perhaps that's part of what makes you naturally want to rip back on the 650 throttle - force of habit. Thanks for your input. |
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March 26th, 2012, 08:57 PM | #84 |
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It takes me a few minutes to get situated with the difference in throttle response, friction zone, seat placement, etc. I wouldn't say its difficult, but it doesn't feel natural if that makes sense
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March 27th, 2012, 11:15 AM | #85 | |
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Difficult... at first, you need a bit of seat time to adjust. But after owning both bikes a while you will already know and bounce between them with no problem.
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April 3rd, 2012, 08:23 PM | #86 |
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I can get mad lean on mine... no problems here. sounds like a completely mental thing to me...
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April 3rd, 2012, 10:31 PM | #87 |
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Got so.e good advice from another rider offline who told me that coming from 250 can spoil you because of the foregiveness of the throttle and the flickability of the bike. His belief is that you can form some bad habits like using only your body weight to corner and ripping back on the throttle when shifting. His advice is before considering a more powerful bike I should spend seat time focusing on using the bars for cornering and avoind manhandling the bike into corners and try smoother throttle roll on when shifting even if it costs me acceleration. I know I have been guilty on body weight cornering and I doconstantly rip on the throttle because I can. My friends tracks an R1 and rides an enduro on the street. He has been riding for 15 years on various sportbikes so I'm inclined to head his advice.
@Alex and @Jiggles does that make sense to you guys? |
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April 3rd, 2012, 10:36 PM | #88 |
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he is alone is that opinion. itd be true if someone went from a 250 to a bigger bike without using his brain... who is ognna hop on a bigger bike for the first time and ride it like a 250?
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April 3rd, 2012, 11:18 PM | #89 |
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Not really. Skills for steering a bike, whether counter-steering consciously/subconsciously, or adding some body weighting to help the process (slightly), will transfer to any motorcycle you ride. There are no bad habits to break.
Yes - the 250 lets riders get away with pretty coarse throttle control, because nothing terribly bad happens even if one goes full throttle instantly; there's still plenty of time to correct any input mistakes. It's basically the one skill that riders need to explicitly fine-tune when jumping to more powerful bikes. But your/his comment makes it seem as if learning it first on a 250 is somehow a setback to unlearn. Learning it for the first time (what not to do) on a more powerful machine while also learning the basics of riding a bike in general, is much more fraught with risk IMO. TL;DR - you'll be fine. Just don't be silly with the throttle when you are on larger bikes, expecting them to be as docile with the same inputs as we can on 250's.
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April 3rd, 2012, 11:20 PM | #90 | |
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April 4th, 2012, 04:50 AM | #91 | |
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Reached the 1000 mile milestone this week. Still enjoying the learning process. |
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April 4th, 2012, 02:21 PM | #92 |
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All the things you mentions in ur 1st post are all things generic to any 250 and the ninja does it less. except the rear end sliding situation. that one is just u.
In my experience you can change to 2nd before the corner and there is still enough engine breaking and then power to get out of the corner as fast as u want. i just use 1st to get goin and to lane split. |
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April 4th, 2012, 02:25 PM | #93 |
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And you should have known all of these things happen before you even got ur 1st bike...
I did months of research before i got mine therefore i knew all the pros and cons of this bike (ninja), the yammy r15, the cbr250 and so on. |
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April 4th, 2012, 09:06 PM | #94 |
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Yeah I researched as well certainly didn't wake up one morning and go and buy a bike. You cant always tell how it will fell until you ride it. Well most people. You clearly are the exception.
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April 4th, 2012, 09:09 PM | #95 |
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Agreed. These are things you find out and deal with while learning. Things like winds will affect any of those choices. Also they all are high strung bikes. My cbr also has irc tires. They are loads of "meh" but you learn to live with them.
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April 4th, 2012, 11:04 PM | #96 |
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Yeah I'll reach that milestone tomorrow !!! And yeah The learning process has been fun to say the least, but I think Im ready to go ahead and get my GSXR 1300 friday!!!! Might as well start getting used to it huh.
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April 5th, 2012, 12:07 AM | #97 |
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April 5th, 2012, 05:38 AM | #98 |
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April 5th, 2012, 05:47 AM | #99 |
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That's why people have been using it all over teh Intarwebs since that movie came out.
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April 5th, 2012, 06:42 AM | #100 |
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LOL that made my mouth drop a little until I read further down
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April 5th, 2012, 07:49 AM | #101 |
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April 5th, 2012, 08:25 AM | #102 | |
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I imagine your father in law would be much more responsible and better apt to handle that bike than this fool. A Gixxer 1300 in the hands of a 20yr old compared to a 53yr old are probably very different. I wish him the best. |
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April 5th, 2012, 09:45 AM | #103 |
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April 5th, 2012, 09:57 AM | #104 |
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You are right its not true in all cases but insurance underwriters certainly have established a correlation between age and insurance claims. They have PHDs combiming through decades of data so I believe there is some truth to their conclusions. Me personally I rode 9 years ago at age 23 and I am definitely more risk averse now than I was then. I keep photos of my wife and kids in the map window of my tankbag and it reminds me to stay within my abilities and ride safely. No knock intended at younger riders
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April 5th, 2012, 10:46 AM | #105 |
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True, I do know lots of squids my age
I do think that there is a large amount of risk ignorant younger riders that mess it up for the rest of us. The good news is my insurance price dropped after a year of riding now |
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