New BEASTLY exhaust

[massacremasses]

yes. the naked version. Its only available on certain channels...

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

damnit I came into hot



Na naked wrestling. Ill bring the oil.

Well I only use Rotella T6...

Originally Posted by TnNinjaGirl

OHHHH!!! So MMA, cool.

I'll record it!!!! Then we can all fight some more!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mattmosphere88]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

also the sound quality being different makes a huge deal. You can hear the reverberation in matts video. You cannot in the R6 video.

I noticed a pretty big difference in sound quality as well, but this is all besides the point.

I'm getting tired of arguing about this. Jason, regardless on how much you love to be right and have the last word, bottom line is that nothing you say or do is going to change my mind on this. If you don't like what I've done to MY exhaust, that's cool... at least I know there are others out there that will appreciate it and it won't change how much fun I have riding.

TO EACH HIS OWN.

[folky15]

Originally Posted by TnNinjaGirl

I have my pipe pointed forwards so it actually does save lives.

haha - nice way to throw some much needed humor into this thread!

I'm new here, but I thought arguments like this were sportbike.net type material. Ninjette is better than this.

dubojr jumped down this guy's throat for modding his bike. sheesh.

Matt - I like the sound, and I'm about to do something similar - I've got a Competition Werkes exhaust on order I hope it sounds as good as yours!

(and if loud mufflers don't raise awareness, then I guess ambulances/police shouldn't bother using their sirens, eh?)

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by folky15

dubojr jumped down this guy's throat for modding his bike. sheesh.

Read it again fella, I did no such thing. I just made the point that loud pipes don't save lives. I have after market exhaust on my bike too with TONS of other mods so mod till your hearts content. Just be considerate of those around you.


Oh and....

LAST WORD.... hehehehehehehehehehehehehe!

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by folky15

(and if loud mufflers don't raise awareness, then I guess ambulances/police shouldn't bother using their sirens, eh?)

Oh and this is TOTALLY different and I'm unsure how people could see it being even remotely similar.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by dubojr1

Oh and this is TOTALLY different and I'm unsure how people could see it being even remotely similar.

Logically the same to me... Simply put, "I hear something I look". I am not above learning something new. How is it totally different?

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Logically the same to me... Simply put, "I hear something I look". I am not above learning something new. How is it totally different?

Well I can agree with the hear and look thing to a certain degree. I would think emergency vehicles use their sirens to clear the traffic for their emergency. Should a loud exhaust have the same priory or invoke the same reaction from the drivers on the road?

Hey I could be here wrong but I'm open to a logical discussion. I love this place for that reason. The hard part is finding those with logic to discuss it with.

[massacremasses]

Get a DB meter and tell us what you think is loud.

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

Get a DB meter and tell us what you think is loud.

Science has already done that I believe.

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by dubojr1

The hard part is finding those with logic to discuss it with.

So true!

Ahhhh..... I see.

So continuing a logical conversation here and removing personal preferences, an audible alert (siren) can invoke a trainable and expected reaction (clear the way). While another audibles, such as an exhaust should invoke no reaction/response. So possibly the whole flaw with sound and awareness, no matter the source, is with interpretation.

Also, putting personal preferences back in, like fine art, beauty is in the eye or ear of the beholder. And acceptance of what is loud or not is again personal, as rock concert goers have a great time listening to music above 90 decibels, even if it causes damage.

It's also a choice of when to be an *ss or not. 3AM is pretty much the wrong time to be racing a "loud" exhaust at the end of a Cul-de-sac. Where as a semi truck with a rumbling engine brake is no more of a noise problem than any bike. Poor peeps in NYC have to deal with similar every night but they get used to it.

Either way, if you can hear it, you can somewhat assert its direction, mass and proximity to your relative position. Which in turn, may save the life of the rider or your own.

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by csmith12

So true!

Ahhhh..... I see.

So continuing a logical conversation here and removing personal preferences, an audible alert (siren) can invoke a trainable and expected reaction (clear the way). While another audibles, such as an exhaust should invoke no reaction/response. So possibly the whole flaw with sound and awareness, no matter the source, is with interpretation. I like this

Also, putting personal preferences back in, like fine art, beauty is in the eye or ear of the beholder. And acceptance of what is loud or not is again personal, as rock concert goers have a great time listening to music above 90 decibels, even if it causes damage. Not sure I agree with you though. Art is not scientific and although those rockers may still enjoy it, science would still classify it as "loud". Art can only be judged by the beholder but sound can be measured and given a mark upon which damage may/will occur.

It's also a choice of when to be an *ss or not. 3AM is pretty much the wrong time to be racing a "loud" exhaust at the end of a Cul-de-sac. Should it be any different at 3 pm when the neighbor has just got home from working a late shift? Where as a semi truck with a rumbling engine brake is no more of a noise problem than any bike. Poor peeps in NYC have to deal with similar every night but they get used to it.

Either way, if you can hear it, you can somewhat assert its direction, mass and proximity to your relative position. Which in turn, may save the life of the rider or your own. Again I can agree to a point. People that play the lottery "may" when it too.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by dubojr1

Science has already done that I believe.

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html

nice thats what I was looking for.

Go measure your bike now matt. lol


other things to consider. If people are in cars there is a sound barrier between them and the sound, same in a house.

You are the person who will hear the sound of your bike the most.

[mattmosphere88]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

Go measure your bike now matt. lol

I'm going to. I'm curious now just how "damaging" mine is.

[AmplexorJ]

YOUR MOM

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

You are the person who will hear the sound of your bike the most.

Ride a HD for 5yrs, I bet you find quite the opposite. Direction of sounds plays a huge role.

Originally Posted by dubojr1

Not sure I agree with you though. Art is not scientific and although those rockers may still enjoy it, science would still classify it as "loud". Art can only be judged by the beholder but sound can be measured and given a mark upon which damage may/will occur.

There is a little gray area here but I am no one to argue with science, so as it pertains to this thread, if the OP's exhaust volume level is under that measurable limit, is there are problem on public roads?

Originally Posted by dubojr1

Should it be any different at 3 pm when the neighbor has just got home from working a late shift?

No, not at 3pm unless communication between people has occurred and no laws are broken, however some common neighborly courtesy/common sense should be observed at all times. Hence maybe that is why the OP's garage door was closed? And it doesn't address the "unknown" day sleepers as as a rider passes through the streets of non-neighbors. Maybe those residence should push for a city noise ordnance. Between trucks, ricers and other noisey road travelers, I don't see much difference. And singling out bikes would be unfair. In the end, I feel that if one was to work a really late shift, increased noise levels is something that that person will just have to get used to it as there is no real solution to that specific problem that works for everyone everywhere.

I think you and I are on the same page that "Loud Pipes Saves Lives" smeared on everything is absurd. Very much of this subject is comparative to HIGH VIS gear. It don't matter if they don't look. If it increases my chances of being on someones radar, like playing the lotto, one stands a better chance of being a winner but certainly doesn't guarantee safety.

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Ride a HD for 5yrs, I bet you find quite the opposite. Direction of sounds plays a huge role.



There is a little gray area here but I am no one to argue with science, so as it pertains to this thread, if the OP's exhaust volume level is under that measurable limit, is there are problem on public roads?



No, not at 3pm unless communication between people has occurred and no laws are broken, however some common neighborly courtesy/common sense should be observed at all times. Hence maybe that is why the OP's garage door was closed? And it doesn't address the "unknown" day sleepers as as a rider passes through the streets of non-neighbors. Maybe those residence should push for a city noise ordnance. Between trucks, ricers and other noisey road travelers, I don't see much difference. And singling out bikes would be unfair. In the end, I feel that if one was to work a really late shift, increased noise levels is something that that person will just have to get used to it as there is no real solution to that specific problem that works for everyone everywhere.

I think you and I are on the same page that "Loud Pipes Saves Lives" smeared on everything is absurd. Very much of this subject is comparative to HIGH VIS gear. It don't matter if they don't look. If it increases my chances of being on someones radar, like playing the lotto, one stands a better chance of being a winner but certainly doesn't guarantee safety.

Now this I agree with totally!

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by mattmosphere88

I'm going to. I'm curious now just how "damaging" mine is.

I wonder if any of the free apps would measure it properly. I'd bet it would hit at least 135 db. More if you stand directly behind it.

Good luck!