Low sided it on a slippery corner

[Joshorilla]

Check speed, slow down for entry, start counter-steer, tyres loose grip, slide along! - I think their was some diesel on the road or my tyres as they feel very skitty the whole journey.

This shows how easy it is to happen, and how fast it happens when it does, I am just lucky my bike didn't end up in the sea, and a car wasn't coming the other way

AND I WILL BE UPGRADING FROM THE STOCK TIRES AFTER THIS!

As far as damage, having my panniers on protected the rear of the bike, the front left fairing will need replacing, as well as the indicator and the shifter and clutch lever.

Vids after the jump.

SIDE NOTE: Anything you would have done differently? Slow speed perhaps? For me, all I can't see I did anything wrong, any advise would help, but remember, hindsight is always 20/20 but looking back it's still a little fuzzy, as dave mustaine would say.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[lgk]

sorry to hear about the crash,

how fast were you going?

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by lgk

sorry to hear about the crash,

how fast were you going?

about 25mph

[Motofool]

Sorry to read and watch that

Did you get hurt?

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by Motofool

Sorry to read and watch that

Did you get hurt?

Not at all, thanks for asking. ATGATT!! armoured leather jacket, armoured boots, quality helmet and good gloves, I was wearing only jeans admittedly but they held up very well.

[Motofool]

I believe that the trigger was that pavement's transition which did upset your front suspension.

A better line (avoiding the center of the lane where oil and diesel builds up) may have avoided the fall.

Maybe many of those boats have Diesel engines and some road contamination comes from them.

Glad that you are OK, Josh.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by Joshorilla

about 25mph

lost traction in a similar fashion near the end of a cloverleaf on ramp.

the road grease can really cut down your traction to minimal amounts in an instant.

glad you are unhurt

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by Motofool

I believe that the trigger was that pavement's transition which did upset your front suspension.

A better line (avoiding the center of the lane where oil and diesel builds up) may have avoided the fall.

Maybe many of those boats have Diesel engines and some road contamination comes from them.

Glad that you are OK, Josh.

Thanks for the feedback! I tend to stick to centre road especially on corners as those roads are old and narrow over here and big cars tend to take up a foot of your lane also, so on corners it's wise to keep in or get a bus ram into you, it's more than likely the diesel from the fishing boats as they will all be diesel, my fiend crashed his van their once exact same spot, only he over-steered and crashed into a boat!

That photo explains a lot, it did literally just whip out from underneath me all of a sudden, hitting a strip of diesel was probably the cause.

[dfox]

glad to hear you're okay.

only thing that stands out to me, is the line. personally, I'd have taken a different line due to the wall being there. It reduced your visibility of the road surface.

As mentioned, on turns I tend to stay out of the middle of the road as well. I'd likely have chosen to take the inside tire path there, staying out of the slippery zone.

[Joshorilla]

It's funny i've taken that road about 150 times on that bike on each direction as I take it pretty much twice every weekend, always the same line, normally faster.

It was strange how easy the bike was to pick up, I must have been in shock as I picked up up from the handlebars one handed, i'm not a small guy by any stretch but I wouldn't usually lift something that heavy just like that.

And I told a lie, I just did a survey of myself and it appears I have pulled my left pectoral and trapezius, and my foot feels as though I have twisted it a little.

[CC Cowboy]

1. you were on the wrong side of the street
2. full moon low tide
3. huge "L" (loser) sign on bike
4. need I say more?

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by CC Cowboy

1. you were on the wrong side of the street
2. full moon low tide
3. huge "L" (loser) sign on bike
4. need I say more?

Filling in for Jiggles?

[Alex]

Were you still applying any pressure to the front brake?

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by Alex

Were you still applying any pressure to the front brake?

None whatsoever, I adjusted my speed shortly after the four second mark before my turn and just maintained throttle for the turn.

[Alex]

OK - then slippery road surface it is. Confirm tire pressures to make sure that they are able to give their maximum performance. Keep in mind that those tires that are often considered better (like the Diablo Rosso II's, Bridgestone 003RS's, BT-016's, etc.) might not have any better wet and cold traction than the ones you have now. Their greater performance capabilities are at higher speeds, higher temps, and higher forces on the tires.

[lgk]

be careful picking up the bike.
it is very easy to pull a muscle if you do it wrong.

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by Alex

OK - then slippery road surface it is. Confirm tire pressures to make sure that they are able to give their maximum performance. Keep in mind that those tires that are often considered better (like the Diablo Rosso II's, Bridgestone 003RS's, BT-016's, etc.) might not have any better wet and cold traction than the ones you have now. Their greater performance capabilities are at higher speeds, higher temps, and higher forces on the tires.

I checked my pressures last weekend, I do it every sunday as part of my weekly maintenance, and they never need more than 1psi so they were good, my stock tyres do feel slippery, especially after having been on some of my friends bikes that have after market rubber on.

I think i'll just get some Dunlop GT501's as they are easy and cheap to come by and they get good reviews.

[Jiggles]

Lol

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Lol

Oh you!

[Jono]

Learn to wheelie the bike so you can just lift the front wheel right as it starts to slide out from under you.

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by Jono

Learn to wheelie the bike so you can just lift the front wheel right as it starts to slide out from under you.

I'll remember that for next time

[jpbear]

Damn.. sorry to hear that.. I get a feeling of Deja Vu

In your case it really blows my mind away.. I would not have done anything differently The bike certainly slid a lot..


Here is my fall

Link to original page on YouTube.

I was probably a bit aggressive coming out of the roundabout.. again same overconfidence. did the roundabout 100 times the past five months ..

The paint strip decided to punish me for being too aggressive on the road..

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by jpbear

Damn.. sorry to hear that.. I get a feeling of Deja Vu

In your case it really blows my mind away.. I would not have done anything differently The bike certainly slid a lot..


Here is my fall

Link to original page on YouTube.

I was probably a bit aggressive coming out of the roundabout.. again same overconfidence. did the roundabout 100 times the past five months ..

The paint strip decided to punish me for being too aggressive on the road..

Looks like pretty much the same thing happened to the both of us, the front just went from underneath us, I was a bit lower than you when it happened to me, I think that may be why my bike just slid, I would have done the exact same as you also.

I like your slow-mo, I may see if I can upload a slow-mo.

Was yours expensive to repair?

My jeans now have a nice "distressed" look to them, oh well, I'll have to wait till I am next in the USA to pick up some Levi 501's from Sears, the one decent thing america makes :P

[dino74]

Originally Posted by Joshorilla

Check speed, slow down for entry, start counter-steer, tyres loose grip, slide along!

My two cents from doing a wet trackday about 2 weeks ago...

Only counter steer with very very light pressure on wet surfaces. Try to get your weight off the bike and onto the inside peg to help steering.

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by dino74

My two cents from doing a wet trackday about 2 weeks ago...

Only counter steer with very very light pressure on wet surfaces. Try to get your weight off the bike and onto the inside peg to help steering.

I had completed the counter-steering before the bike slid if you watch the video, it was a case of the bike was leaning into the curve and it just happened that the level of friction offered by the road surface to the tyres was less than was required.

I am not too bummed out about this, it's a good excuse to start working on my bike instead of treating it like someone else's, I need to repair the cracks to my fairings, fill them a bit where it slid and paint them, i'll never match the green perfectly so I am thinking it's a good excuse to paint them black, although colour suggestions are welcome!

I have a £250 excess on my insurance so it hardly seems worth claiming as all I need to do is bend the shifter back, repair the fairings "of which I already own everything to do so" and pop some new indicators on, I have brought a pair off ebay already!

[NevadaWolf]

When reprinting mine, I bit the bullet and bought some rattle cans from ColorRite. Surprisingly the color match was right on, especially with the candy base layer I needed. Unfortunately, their paint is WAY expensive.

There is a UK supplier as well, RS Motorbike Paint Colors

That is if you want to stick with OEM. But if you are going black, and feel like being bold, PlastiDip works GREAT!

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

When reprinting mine, I bit the bullet and bought some rattle cans from ColorRite. Surprisingly the color match was right on, especially with the candy base layer I needed. Unfortunately, their paint is WAY expensive.

There is a UK supplier as well, RS Motorbike Paint Colors

That is if you want to stick with OEM. But if you are going black, and feel like being bold, PlastiDip works GREAT!

It's a shame you can't buy plastidip in the uk let alone where I live, I think i'm going to go audi silver, classy

[Joshorilla]

Ok, mandatory damage pics, I am going to take a week off work sometime late January to get this all sorted out and fit the Scottoiler.

You can see where the shifter has been ground down to a sharp point at the top, it's a shame the vid didn't catch it but there were sparks galore! I put it in the bench vice and bent it back to a usable shape but it's pointing up too much still, I couldn't position it down as it was an awkward angle.

The panel will need a bit of epoxy to raise it by a mm or so for sanding back to shape before paint. New bar ends, levers and indicators are in the post as I tap away!

I need to replace the shifter lever, I may just make the dive and buy whole new rearsets, undecided.

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[mrlmd]

Another factor in both of those lowsides may have been the temperature. You need to drive a little slower and more conservative when you start out with cold tires and cold pavement. You have to let the tires warm up, for a few minutes at least, for a better grip on the road.

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by mrlmd

Another factor in both of those lowsides may have been the temperature. You need to drive a little slower and more conservative when you start out with cold tires and cold pavement. You have to let the tires warm up, for a few minutes at least, for a better grip on the road.

I had been riding for at least an hour

I reset my camera at traffic lights to save me having to edit massive clips.

FULL UNCUT EDITION! - NOW WILL 100% MORE DOGS!

Link to original page on YouTube.

[csmith12]

Bummer guys. Glad your good though.

[akima]

Glad you're ok. You looked pretty cool during your slide! Reminded me of Mirror's Edge and how she slides down roofs and things!

There's some things I do to give me better traction in a corner:
* I slide my bum a bit towards the edge of the seat in the direction I will be turning and position my body in alignment with my bum such that my spine is vertically aligned (not twisted up). This lets me get the same turn radius but with my bike more upright. More upright = more grip.
* As I enter the corner I don't keep the throttle steady, I slowly and smoothly apply more throttle to load the rear suspension and lighten the front wheel. There is more available grip on your rear wheel than your front, so I increase throttle during the turn to make the rear wheel do more work than the front. Additionally, it seems that if you loose your rear, you have a chance of catching it before it completely slides away. If you loose your front -- unless you're a ninja -- you're going straight down, straight away. So it's better to over-use the rear wheel's traction than the front's.
* I use my knees and legs to hold myself on the bike. My hands are on the bars but they don't support my weight at all; I can take my hands off the bars at any moment without falling forward. With my weight supported by my legs, the bars and subsequently the front wheel is free to move as it needs to / to navigate itself over the contours and bumps in the road surface. If the bars are holding your weight and are thus held stiff, then the wheel cannot move side to side as it naturally needs to.

If I've said anything nonsensical then I hope someone will point it out!

Slipper oil is slippery oil though. I try and spot it before I hit it so I can either slow down before going over it or avoid it altogether. It's not always that visible though In and around petrol stations are obviously more likely to have petrol on the road, so watch out there.

[Tigerpaw]

Roads were too wet for "sporty" riding.

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by Tigerpaw

Roads were too wet for "sporty" riding.

Then it's ironic that was the slowest corner I took to go down on. My riding looks more sporty than it is as I see a lot of people point their heads up with helmet cams that makes you appear to be more upright, I maintain in-line with the bike which doesn't hide the lean angle and makes everything seem a bit sportier.

I'm happy to say I think I did everything fine, evidently I was going too fast for the level of grip or I wouldn't have come off, I reviewed the video in full length and coming up from the 6 minute mark I spotted about seven blobs of rainbowy diesel on the road so I can only guess it was due to reduced traction from a contaminated road surface.

[Tigerpaw]

Originally Posted by Joshorilla

I'm happy to say I think I did everything fine...

[Kstorm21]

Originally Posted by jpbear

Damn.. sorry to hear that.. I get a feeling of Deja Vu

In your case it really blows my mind away.. I would not have done anything differently The bike certainly slid a lot..


Here is my fall

Link to original page on YouTube.

I was probably a bit aggressive coming out of the roundabout.. again same overconfidence. did the roundabout 100 times the past five months ..

The paint strip decided to punish me for being too aggressive on the road..

Looks like that stupid crosswalk was the cause of yours.