Newer supersports

KylerT · December 24th, 2012, 09:44 AM

Hey guys I just wanted to ask if people have the same opinion as me about newer 600 cc bikes. I still have a broken shoulder as some of y'all may know but I did get the opurtunity to ride on my friends brothers' 08 GSXR 600 and by god it was the weirdest bike I've ever felt. the turning felt like if you even tapped the handlebars the whole bike would go on its side, like just jolts downwards unlike the ninjes smooth controllable lean. Just everything about it was so much different then previous 600s I've ridden(91-03). This was the first GSXR I've ridden though, I liked it so much I decided to buy it but I still have to wait for the insurance money from my destroyed little ninje

Might just have felt so interesting cause if was a GSXR, how do newer cbr's and r6s feel?

backinthesaddleagain · December 24th, 2012, 10:36 AM

Tire condition? Or maybe some aggressive profile?

Whiskey · December 24th, 2012, 11:53 AM

I thought the gixxers were reasonably sedate as supersports go, takes a little more to push it over than the ninja, but feels stable enough in a lean.

What were the tyre pressures like? If they're rock hard it'll be more unstable.

I'm another member of the ****ed up shoulder club, how's the strength, control & range of motion? If that's uneven you may just be botching the controls rather than there being a problem with the bike

Jiggles · December 24th, 2012, 11:56 AM

I think it has to do with the rake, my ninja 1000 is very easy to initiate a turn with even with the larger tires and extra 125lbs. It has a steeper rake than the 250 and 600s are even steeper than my n1k.

csmith12 · December 24th, 2012, 12:36 PM

Bike weight, geometry, seating position, clipon and rearset position, tire profile, air pressure and other factors effect the turning characteristics of a bike.

I would say most likely you felt the difference in tire profile. For example; a R6 with a set of q2's feels like it turns slower than a R6 with michelin tires with a V front profile. It's very aggressive. Same deal with a 250 with the stock IRC when compared to BT003's. The bike turns much easier.

With similar setups, the turn in can be made to feel very similar. However after the turn in, each of the major supersports have different corner characteristics.

KylerT · December 25th, 2012, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whiskey

I thought the gixxers were reasonably sedate as supersports go, takes a little more to push it over than the ninja, but feels stable enough in a lean.

What were the tyre pressures like? If they're rock hard it'll be more unstable.

I'm another member of the ****ed up shoulder club, how's the strength, control & range of motion? If that's uneven you may just be botching the controls rather than there being a problem with the bike

The tires were really rock hard and new. Ahhh another member of the ****ed up shoulder club. It's feeling much better minus strength, I can finally sleep through the night without waking up. Appreciate the concern brother, merry Christmas.

KylerT · December 25th, 2012, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I think it has to do with the rake, my ninja 1000 is very easy to initiate a turn with even with the larger tires and extra 125lbs. It has a steeper rake than the 250 and 600s are even steeper than my n1k.

What exactly is the rake if you don't mind me asking? Merry Christmas man.

k-os · December 25th, 2012, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KylerT

What exactly is the rake if you don't mind me asking? Merry Christmas man.

Just kidding. I had to do it. See below. Click it for some explanation.

Panda · December 27th, 2012, 02:25 PM

Wreck 250 purchase a GSXR?

You're doing it wrong.

You need a R6.

KylerT · December 27th, 2012, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rPanda

Wreck 250 purchase a GSXR?

You're doing it wrong.

You need a R6.

Lol decided to save some money and I'm buying a 03 r6 on Monday so advice taken

Gurk · January 1st, 2013, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Bike weight, geometry, seating position, clipon and rearset position, tire profile, air pressure and other factors effect the turning characteristics of a bike.

I would say most likely you felt the difference in tire profile. For example; a R6 with a set of q2's feels like it turns slower than a R6 with michelin tires with a V front profile. It's very aggressive. Same deal with a 250 with the stock IRC when compared to BT003's. The bike turns much easier.

With similar setups, the turn in can be made to feel very similar. However after the turn in, each of the major supersports have different corner characteristics.

dead on

December 24th, 2012, 09:44 AM	#1
KylerT ninjette.org member Name: Kyler Location: Tallahassee FL Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R ( totaled but alive in memory ) 03 R6 Posts: 20	Newer supersports Hey guys I just wanted to ask if people have the same opinion as me about newer 600 cc bikes. I still have a broken shoulder as some of y'all may know but I did get the opurtunity to ride on my friends brothers' 08 GSXR 600 and by god it was the weirdest bike I've ever felt. the turning felt like if you even tapped the handlebars the whole bike would go on its side, like just jolts downwards unlike the ninjes smooth controllable lean. Just everything about it was so much different then previous 600s I've ridden(91-03). This was the first GSXR I've ridden though, I liked it so much I decided to buy it but I still have to wait for the insurance money from my destroyed little ninje Might just have felt so interesting cause if was a GSXR, how do newer cbr's and r6s feel?

December 24th, 2012, 11:56 AM	#4
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	I think it has to do with the rake, my ninja 1000 is very easy to initiate a turn with even with the larger tires and extra 125lbs. It has a steeper rake than the 250 and 600s are even steeper than my n1k. __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

December 24th, 2012, 12:36 PM	#5
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Bike weight, geometry, seating position, clipon and rearset position, tire profile, air pressure and other factors effect the turning characteristics of a bike. I would say most likely you felt the difference in tire profile. For example; a R6 with a set of q2's feels like it turns slower than a R6 with michelin tires with a V front profile. It's very aggressive. Same deal with a 250 with the stock IRC when compared to BT003's. The bike turns much easier. With similar setups, the turn in can be made to feel very similar. However after the turn in, each of the major supersports have different corner characteristics. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

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December 24th, 2012, 10:36 AM	#2
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	Tire condition? Or maybe some aggressive profile?

December 24th, 2012, 11:53 AM	#3
Whiskey ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Morgan Location: A city twinned with Kawasaki Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250, 2010 STR 675 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	I thought the gixxers were reasonably sedate as supersports go, takes a little more to push it over than the ninja, but feels stable enough in a lean. What were the tyre pressures like? If they're rock hard it'll be more unstable. I'm another member of the ****ed up shoulder club, how's the strength, control & range of motion? If that's uneven you may just be botching the controls rather than there being a problem with the bike

December 27th, 2012, 02:25 PM	#9
Panda not an actual panda Name: dan Location: philadelphia Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250, 2009 CBR600RR (Sold) Posts: A lot.	Wreck 250 purchase a GSXR? You're doing it wrong. You need a R6.