July 23rd, 2010, 09:08 AM | #81 | |
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However, we get a free perk; in downtown Austin, motorcycles (and scooters/mopeds) can park free in any spot that is controlled by one of their new meters. It allowed me to not have to use the bus to participate in jury duty.
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July 23rd, 2010, 09:15 AM | #82 |
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At my work there is limited staff parking (I work in a school) and the Priciple hates motorcycles and thinks teachers shouldn't drive them!!! So sidwalk is out of the question. I found another teacher with a small Honda car and we made an agreement that we would share a spot. If I get there first I park as far to the front as I can sideways in the parking spot then she pulls in. If she gets there first then I pull in behind her again sideways. Works well and we both know where to find the other incase of emergency to move our vehicles so the other can get out.
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July 23rd, 2010, 09:46 AM | #83 | |
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:14 AM | #84 |
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Kinda? I think its a freaking joke! in the example you gave about the intruder breaking in and getting shot by the homeowner, i have heard sooo many stories like that, and its pathetic! A guy won a case because he was breaking into a home and the owners came in and caught him, so he dashes out of the house and trips on the sprinkler and sues the homeowners.
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:15 AM | #85 |
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for those of you who live in LA county, have you ever parked on the sidewalk? i've seen so many bikes on sidewalks, and thought it was legal. If its not, i'd like to know so i don't start parking on the sidewalks once i get my bike.
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:27 AM | #86 |
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I think its depending on where , cause a lot of businesses are out of jurisdiction(private property) and up to the owner whether to complain. If I have doubts I just ask a CHP or Cop , they are usually pretty cool to MC's.
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:34 AM | #87 | |
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:39 AM | #88 |
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Thats cool that you can find cops when you need them, i seem to never find a cop when i need one. they are always in my grill when i don't care to talk to them.
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:40 AM | #89 | |
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:45 AM | #90 | |
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By the way, someone walking through the no parking zone of a handicapped area is not breaking the law either. As for your train example, there are indeed rules and laws which govern the operation of a train through a crossing. Most crossing are designed to physically block people from entering the danger zone when a train is coming. Trains also must slow down in many cases, and sound their whistle as a warning that the train is about to cross. |
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:50 AM | #91 |
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I agree. As I said earlier, I have no problems with the guys bike getting knocked over. It was karma for him parking in the space. But when it comes to legal responsibility, this doesn't always jive with my opinion.
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:52 AM | #92 |
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totally agree with you Scott
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July 23rd, 2010, 10:55 AM | #93 |
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I think you will fine that most cities/towns etc. have some kind of law or ordinance which prohibits motor vehicles (which includes motorcycles) from parking on sidewalks. Now whether or not this is enforced is a different issue.
I do park on the sidewalk at a couple of places. When I do, I make sure that I am out of the way so people can get by. Since this is more often than not, near a wheel chair ramp, I also make sure that someone in a wheel chair can still get up, down, and by. I've never had a problem. At the shopping mall, I have parked (with other motorcycles) in the bicycle parking area at the front of the parking garage. It is not up on a sidewalk though. It is beyond the cement pylons (or whatever those pole barriers are called) so it is not at risk of getting hit. Since I always see motorcycles in this area, I can only assume that the Mall Management does not have an issue with it. The funny thing is, I've never actually seen a bicycle there. |
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July 23rd, 2010, 01:16 PM | #94 | |
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July 23rd, 2010, 08:10 PM | #95 |
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I always park diagonally at the edge of the parking space, and some bozo still managed to hit my bike last week. I don't know who or where, but I was out running errands all day, and the next morning I was looking over my bike while it was warming up, and I noticed a nice deep scratch all the way down to the bare plastic, all the way down my left tail fairing, and my turn signal lens was popped off.
I wish we had more motorcycle parking spots in my neck of the woods. We got 4 spaces in Huntsville, and they are all at cycle gear.
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July 24th, 2010, 02:21 PM | #96 | |
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July 24th, 2010, 02:27 PM | #97 |
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In CA they would be liable for the towing costs IF there was not a proper sign posted (and some other details). BUT, that is not to say that it always happens the way it is supposed to either.... I would just say play it safe and park in a spot, if you are not familiar with that particular lot (your work, church, etc.).
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July 24th, 2010, 02:42 PM | #98 | |
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July 24th, 2010, 06:27 PM | #100 |
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you know, I figure I'm taking all these risks and the roads suck and are filled with all sorts of obstacles intentionally, why can't I park at a bicycle rack or something, they are rarely occupied by a bicycle anyways. Nearly everyone should understand how easy a bike can be taken and the closer to the building we park the better chance that the bike will be safe and it will give us the option to lock the bike up.
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July 25th, 2010, 08:53 AM | #101 | |
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I know two Harley guys who are handicapped---both have prosthetic legs from wounds suffered in Afghanistan. I have a handicap sticker because of a gunshot to my hip--Vietnam. I don't use the handicap space because I can still walk a ways. I can ride my bicycle for 100mi with no problem, but walking 100meters is a bit of a chore. There is a whole different muscle group in play. I think that if you meet some of the Patriot Guard Riders, you will find that many of us have some fairly serious disabilities.
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July 25th, 2010, 06:30 PM | #104 |
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No not yet, so I am going to keep doing that when I can. I think it should be legal everywhere to do so; that's what I'm getting at.
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July 25th, 2010, 06:44 PM | #105 |
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July 25th, 2010, 06:48 PM | #106 |
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Thanks and I shall
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July 26th, 2010, 01:23 AM | #107 |
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Dr. Gregory House, M.D. has a handicap sticker and a CBR 1K. He stashes his cane on the bike and GOES! No one argues that he doesn't deserve a handicap space.
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July 26th, 2010, 08:17 AM | #108 | |
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How about if someone was hurt and an ambulance parked where the bike was, the EMTs are inside stabalizing the injured person and this HC person just blindly opens the ramp and damages the ambulance. Who fault would it be then? If you want to break it down in a legal standpoint: Bike parked illegally? Biker's fault. Bike damaged due to being parked illegally? Biker's fault. Bike damaged due to blindly operating the ramp? HC fault. Possibility of it being done on purpose to "teach him a lesson"? Of course. Vehicle not marked as a ramp equipped vehicle? Doesn't look like it. (I will double check the laws, but EVERY ramp equipped vehicle that I have seen is marked as such.) Like I mentioned, if it had been an emergency vehicle and it was damaged it would be ALL of the HC driver's fault, due to neglect of responsibility. However, since it was an illegally parked motorcycle, it's justified? And previous logic from Scott and Blackwidow is not flawed in any way, if there happened to be someone injured due to blindly operating a mechanical device it would be the driver's fault. Period. Just because a person is handicapped doesn't mean they are no longer responsible for their actions, and trying to justify stupidity is just ignorant. Again, I am not saying that it was TOTALLY the HC drivers fault, but that both parties are to blame is some way. EDIT: I stand corrected on the van markings, it would seem that it is not required to actually mark a vehicle as having a ramp, and from looking at the picture the HC sign is a "van accessible" sign meaning the lane he parked in is the adjacent access aisle for the van parking. Nevertheless, remotely operating the ramp without making sure it is clear is just plain stupid, and as we all know, stupidity is very much a punishable offense.
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July 26th, 2010, 09:14 AM | #109 |
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Very well put Josh!
To add to the discussion, if you were the biker, would you call the police or allow the HC person to call the police? Here is my take on it....how much would it cost to fix the bike? $600? $1000? A ticket for parking in the HC spot here in Cali is anywhere from $1500 to $2000 bucks, if I were the biker, i'd weigh those two out before making a decision to get he law involved. The biker might be better off shutting his mouth and learning from his experiance. Thoughts? |
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July 26th, 2010, 09:47 AM | #110 |
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There is a lot of back-and-forth about who is more right, wrong, or to blame in this case. Are we talking about our personal opinions of right and wrong, or armchair legal analysis? These are very often VERY different things. My guess is there is a sprinkling of both. Without an absolute here, there will be no consensus outside of personal opinions.
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Barring any extremely unfortunate and unlikely scenarios, you'd have to be pulling a Tianamen Square style "stand off" to get hurt. Can't fault the driver for a suicidal person standing there waiting to be squished. Unlike Tianamen's tanks, there is also an emergency kill switch on any automated ramp. I'm certainly not saying that anyone SHOULD blindly operate it, but I am saying that they are justified. The potential for injury really isn't much different than remote start on a vehicle startling someone and having them get hurt. Inanimate objects with no right to be there are irrelevant. Legally, there is a very big difference and, as I have shown, the risk to people is very slim. Quote:
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I think there will be a lot of posts here based on opinions, it's after all a bike-forum and most will feel with the person that got the bike wrecked.
The way i see it, there has happened 2 individual cases of someone breaking the law here. The driver of the car was obviously not showing any awareness of where he/she launched the ramp, which of course is expected and therefore is to blame for the wrecked bike. The bike is parked wrong, and it can be fined by a police officer. |
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I take it all back. If the HC hadn't parked there in the first place this wouldn't have happened. Therefor, it's all her fault.
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July 26th, 2010, 01:41 PM | #114 | |
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You are saying the exact same thing over and over again, the guy parked illegally, EVERYONE agrees with that. Also, just because they are slow and loud doesn't make them safe. They are hydraulic lifts after all.
In the grand scheme, the ramp was activated by a person hitting a switch and if that person didn't hit that switch there would not have been any damage. If the guy didn't park illegally, there would not have been any damage. Placing fault on both parties. Very simple logic and I still haven't ruled out the idea that it was done on purpose. BTW, I have 2 cousins that are cops, 3 that are EMTs, they do whatever they need to to keep people safe and/or save lives. That includes parking in front of buildings, speeding and any other form of illegal driving you can think of. Trust me, if that person dropped a ramp on top of a cop car/ambulance/fire rescue/etc that person would be held accountable whether YOU think so or not.
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