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JohnnyBravo · August 10th, 2016, 10:17 AM

I quit watching after the folks started flying, I knew what happened

CaliGrrl · August 10th, 2016, 10:18 AM

It's a good point about the possibility of doing damage when realigning something that has come out of place. I don't have the training for that, so I would be keeping things in the current/displaced alignment.

JohnnyBravo · August 10th, 2016, 10:36 AM

Where is the unsubscribe button

ZeroGravity360 · August 10th, 2016, 10:37 AM

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Where is the unsubscribe button

https://www.ninjette.org/forums/subs...ewsubscription

greg737 · August 10th, 2016, 11:03 AM

another very interesting item to note in this video is the comment made near the end by the guy with the camera.

He turns to the driver of the car the motorcycle hit and he says, "Didn't you see us?"

It's a human psychological protective mechanism that immediately kicks in after an event like this: the mind immediately begins reshaping the history of the moment into something you can live with later in life. The camera guy was the third motorcycle into the intersection and at that moment in time you can be sure he knew for absolute certain that the first two bikes had run a red light. But in the immediate aftermath his mind is already reconstructing the memory into something he prefers.

This is the psychological mechanism that helps (some) people to side-step the effect we now call Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

I can just about guarantee that if two years from now you could find this guy (the camera guy) and ask him whether the light was red or was green, he would tell you it was green.

ZeroGravity360 · August 10th, 2016, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg737

another very interesting item to note in this video is the comment made near the end by the guy with the camera.

He turns to the driver of the car the motorcycle hit and he says, "Didn't you see us?"

It's a human psychological protective mechanism that immediately kicks in after an event like this: the mind immediately begins reshaping the history of the moment into something you can live with later in life. The camera guy was the third motorcycle into the intersection and at that moment in time you can be sure he knew for absolute certain that the first two bikes had run a red light. But in the immediate aftermath his mind is already reconstructing the memory into something he prefers.

This is the psychological mechanism that helps (some) people to side-step the effect we now call Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Psychology is such an interesting subject. But I am not sure how someone can live with them selves for doing that to another person. It was completely his fault, trying to be a hot shot. I dont see how that girl could ever talk to him after the shock of the accident wears off. I am no lawyer, but is it possible to sue that guy over her injuries?

allanoue · August 10th, 2016, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

Psychology is such an interesting subject. But I am not sure how someone can live with them selves for doing that to another person. It was completely his fault, trying to be a hot shot. I dont see how that girl could ever talk to him after the shock of the accident wears off. I am no lawyer, but is it possible to sue that guy over her injuries?

Asshat like that will not have insurance and ows more for the bike then it is worth. You can't get blood from a rock.

nickjpass · August 10th, 2016, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jkv45

I think almost any boot (that has any amount of height) would have held the foot and ankle together and not let it be completely severed. I'm confident that even a work boot would have restricted the movement that sheared the joint and held the ankle together. There would still have been injuries, but nothing like that.

I watched a rider get hit by a very small doe, it hit his thigh and calf. He kept the bike up. The impact shattered his femur, calf, and ankle. He was wearing sidi's.

akima · August 10th, 2016, 03:16 PM

^ Nick: jkv45, said that a high boot would "not let it be completely severed".

alex.s · August 10th, 2016, 03:49 PM

well. on the plus side, she can get an awesome cane to help with the permanent limp she'll have to deal with.

Motofool · August 10th, 2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

This is why you dont backpack with idiots... the poor girl most likely lost her foot because of this idiot! Please ride with care when you have a passenger!!!

It is very sad that she had to pay for the incompetence of a rider, who did not have the decency to tell her that he had no business riding a motorcycle.

https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=185022

A rider should feel and be responsible for his/her passenger in all circumstances.
No skills = No moral right to carry a passenger.

Nobody has the right to cause so much damage and pain to a young person.

Really hope that she recovers and that he never rides again.

nickjpass · August 11th, 2016, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jkv45

I think almost any boot (that has any amount of height) would have held the foot and ankle together and not let it be completely severed. I'm confident that even a work boot would have restricted the movement that sheared the joint and held the ankle together. There would still have been injuries, but nothing like that.

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Originally Posted by akima

^ Nick: jkv45, said that a high boot would "not let it be completely severed".

Watched the rest of the video and noticed it was. I originally thought her leg was only broken.

CaliGrrl · August 11th, 2016, 09:25 AM

The "reshaping" of the memory of the crash is to help him remember it being "not his fault." He won't want to be the one responsible for the girl's injury.

But, dude, asking a guy going through a green light why they didn't stop for you running the red is asinine.

ZeroGravity360 · August 12th, 2016, 12:18 PM

I know alot of people like the "causal look" including myself.
would these have saved her foot from being severed?
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/a...s#overview_tab

JohnnyBravo · August 12th, 2016, 12:19 PM

Bout as much as armored flip flops

I have some A* bike shoes like that... Wore them a few times, didn't feel much safer than high tops

Brother Michigan · August 12th, 2016, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

I know alot of people like the "causal look" including myself.
would these have saved her foot from being severed?
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/a...s#overview_tab

I've worn bike "shoes" in the past; gave me the willies when I would go out and ride knowing how much protection I was giving up for a little comfort and anonymity. Now I just use my weird looking shoes as a conversation starter.

JohnnyBravo · August 12th, 2016, 01:21 PM

I went and got real boots and haven't even seen the "shoes" since... They are around here somewhere though... Should sell them to a

ZeroGravity360 · August 12th, 2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

I went and got real boots and haven't even seen the "shoes" since... They are around here somewhere though... Should sell them to a

lol, why is everyone who isnt in full leathers a squid?

csmith12 · August 12th, 2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

lol, why is everyone who isnt in full leathers a squid?

A squid is not defined by how they look, bike they ride or what they are wearing. It's defined by how they act, treat others and how they ride. Believe or not... there ARE track squids. In full gear, race prepped bike and all.

allanoue · August 12th, 2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

lol, why is everyone who isnt in full leathers a squid?

Not true there is some good mesh gear.

Why do you think anyone who rides at highway speeds and does not fully protect themselves is a squid?

JohnnyBravo · August 12th, 2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

lol, why is everyone who isnt in full leathers a squid?

The only folks I know around here who liked my shoes were all squids, I figured I'd sell them to one of these folks... I didn't say anything about folks in full leathers; most of them wear full race suits when we ride

ZeroGravity360 · August 12th, 2016, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

The only folks I know around here who liked my shoes were all squids, I figured I'd sell them to one of these folks... I didn't say anything about folks in full leathers; most of them wear full race suits when we ride

I like them

they make for good in town riding? no? like commuting to work or to the store?

JohnnyBravo · August 12th, 2016, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

I like them

they make for good in town riding? no? like commuting to work or to the store?

They don't offer any more protection than cheap hightops... Save your money and go to Payless if you want comfortable casual leather riding shoes.
They don't feel good to walk in, they have no arch support, they aren't comfortable really/ or on the bike for extended periods, you sure can feel the pegs in them though, just don't step on any rocks
I liked them too, but I like my feet more

JohnnyBravo · August 12th, 2016, 01:52 PM

It's your body, you can choose what you want to wear... Heck ride in a bikini and flip flops all you want

ZeroGravity360 · August 12th, 2016, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

They don't offer any more protection than cheap hightops... Save your money and go to Payless if you want comfortable casual leather riding shoes.
They don't feel good to walk in, they have no arch support, they aren't comfortable really/ or on the bike for extended periods, you sure can feel the pegs in them though, just don't step on any rocks
I liked them too, but I like my feet more

But they have heel, ankle, and toe protection?

ZeroGravity360 · August 12th, 2016, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

It's your body, you can choose what you want to wear... Heck ride in a bikini and flip flops all you want

I dont even wear bikinis in a pool -___________-

JohnnyBravo · August 12th, 2016, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

I dont even wear bikinis in a pool -___________-

Can you wear a mens 8??? Pay for shipping and you can try them out, if you still like them after they hurt your feet I will cut you a sweet deal on them

ZeroGravity360 · August 12th, 2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

Can you wear a mens 8??? Pay for shipping and you can try them out, if you still like them after they hurt your feet I will cut you a sweet deal on them

more like a mens size 4 xD

JohnnyBravo · August 12th, 2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

more like a mens size 4 xD

I wear 6.5W haha I can't find fitting shoes in stores often, I just buy something close

Dave Wolfe · August 13th, 2016, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by csmith12

Believe or not... there ARE track squids. In full gear, race prepped bike and all.

That would be me, grandpa.

snot · August 13th, 2016, 07:22 AM

So back on the first aid thing....
If you are alone and sever a part or are bleeding badly (dying). Remember your exhaust is very hot and pressing the body part against it might help cotterize the wound.

jkv45 · August 13th, 2016, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

I know alot of people like the "causal look" including myself.
would these have saved her foot from being severed?
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/a...s#overview_tab

Pretty low cut and wouldn't restrict movement much. Not worth it. It may have helped though. Anything more than tennis shoes would have helped.

Once you wear a quality armored sport/race boot you won't want to ride with anything else.

It's just not worth riding in minimal gear, no matter how long (or short) the trip or how hot the weather.

You are getting some pretty strong opinions here, but know that they are coming from people that have experience with such things and know exactly what happens when things go bad.

allanoue · August 13th, 2016, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by snot

So back on the first aid thing....
If you are alone and sever a part or are bleeding badly (dying). Remember your exhaust is very hot and pressing the body part against it might help cotterize the wound.

That's hardcore

JohnnyBravo · August 13th, 2016, 11:52 AM

That's some seen in the movies stuff... It works if it's hot enough though

InvisiBill · August 13th, 2016, 02:52 PM

You're getting some exaggerated answers about the A* riding shoes. They do have some plastic armor in them and use "abrasion-resistant" material. I'm sure they're better than a pair of regular shoes.

The question comes down to how much better they are. They have a lot of compromises compared to dedicated boots, as others have pointed out. Depending the details of an accident, they may completely protect your foot/ankle from any injury. It's possible that the girl in the video may have had the exact same results while wearing these. Without parallel universes or tons of very precise experimenting, it's all what-if's and speculation.

Only you can decide what tradeoffs you're willing to accept in your own gear. Many here will point out that a little extra cost or inconvenience may greatly improve your chance of avoiding injury, and they think that's a very good value. Some people figure they'll either never be in an accident or won't survive anyway and choose to wear no gear whatsoever. You have to determine what levels of risk are acceptable to you personally.

nickjpass · August 13th, 2016, 04:46 PM

With the impact she took, I think even my race boots would have left me injured. Maybe not as bad. The big issue here was the riding, not the gear.

snot · August 14th, 2016, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

That's some seen in the movies stuff... It works if it's hot enough though

An EMT friend of mine was talking about first aid when alone, he said it can help depending on the wound and how hot the exhaust pipe is.

Another trick always let someone know your route if you are riding alone. Setup check in stops and times.

JohnnyBravo · August 14th, 2016, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by snot

An EMT friend of mine was talking about first aid when alone, he said it can help depending on the wound and how hot the exhaust pipe is.

Another trick always let someone know your route if you are riding alone. Setup check in stops and times.

I carry a tourniquet, sometimes 2, and usually a first aid kit

nickjpass · August 15th, 2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

I carry a tourniquet, sometimes 2, and usually a first aid kit

I hope you know how and when to use it

guys, please don't cauterize anything, we aren't on a battle field.

RacinNinja · August 15th, 2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nickjpass

I hope you know how and when to use it

guys, please don't cauterize anything, we aren't on a battle field.

Tourniquets are much better. Rip up a shirt, use a sock or a belt, tie it tight and stop the bleeding.

August 10th, 2016, 10:17 AM	#41
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	I quit watching after the folks started flying, I knew what happened __________________________________________________
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August 10th, 2016, 11:03 AM	#45
greg737 - Name: - Location: - Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	another very interesting item to note in this video is the comment made near the end by the guy with the camera. He turns to the driver of the car the motorcycle hit and he says, "Didn't you see us?" It's a human psychological protective mechanism that immediately kicks in after an event like this: the mind immediately begins reshaping the history of the moment into something you can live with later in life. The camera guy was the third motorcycle into the intersection and at that moment in time you can be sure he knew for absolute certain that the first two bikes had run a red light. But in the immediate aftermath his mind is already reconstructing the memory into something he prefers. This is the psychological mechanism that helps (some) people to side-step the effect we now call Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. I can just about guarantee that if two years from now you could find this guy (the camera guy) and ask him whether the light was red or was green, he would tell you it was green.
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August 10th, 2016, 03:16 PM	#49
akima Nooblet Name: Akima Location: England Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '13	^ Nick: jkv45, said that a high boot would "not let it be completely severed". __________________________________________________

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alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	well. on the plus side, she can get an awesome cane to help with the permanent limp she'll have to deal with. __________________________________________________
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August 10th, 2016, 10:18 AM	#42
CaliGrrl ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kerry Location: Ventura, CA Join Date: Jan 2016 Motorcycle(s): Ninja650 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '18, Apr '17, Apr '16	It's a good point about the possibility of doing damage when realigning something that has come out of place. I don't have the training for that, so I would be keeping things in the current/displaced alignment.

August 11th, 2016, 09:25 AM	#53
CaliGrrl ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kerry Location: Ventura, CA Join Date: Jan 2016 Motorcycle(s): Ninja650 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '18, Apr '17, Apr '16	The "reshaping" of the memory of the crash is to help him remember it being "not his fault." He won't want to be the one responsible for the girl's injury. But, dude, asking a guy going through a green light why they didn't stop for you running the red is asinine.
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August 12th, 2016, 12:18 PM	#54
ZeroGravity360 Just sittin on my stool.. Name: Amanda Location: Bloomington, IN Join Date: May 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 Posts: 429	I know alot of people like the "causal look" including myself. would these have saved her foot from being severed? http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/a...s#overview_tab

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JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	Bout as much as armored flip flops I have some A* bike shoes like that... Wore them a few times, didn't feel much safer than high tops __________________________________________________
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JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	I went and got real boots and haven't even seen the "shoes" since... They are around here somewhere though... Should sell them to a __________________________________________________
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JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	It's your body, you can choose what you want to wear... Heck ride in a bikini and flip flops all you want __________________________________________________

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JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	That's some seen in the movies stuff... It works if it's hot enough though __________________________________________________

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nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	With the impact she took, I think even my race boots would have left me injured. Maybe not as bad. The big issue here was the riding, not the gear. __________________________________________________
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