Dude how do you ride with stock gearing?

[rojoracing53]

So I mounted my new rear tire yesterday so I have less stuff to get done today before Saturdays trackday. I figured I'd go back to stock gearing for the track while the rear wheel was already off the bike. Holly **** this thing revs high, no wonder people talk crap about this bike being to buzzy and wanting a bigger bike to get lower RPMs. I went from cruising at 80mph at 8100rpms all the way up to 9800rpms

I don't understand how anyone could enjoy this bike with stock gearing unless they never take the thing on the highway. Also I haven't noticed any improvement in off the line acceleration, I know its there but I makes so little difference I can't even tell. And maybe its just that @CycleCam303 is to much of a pussy to give it full throttle but I can walk away from his bike all day long even with 7 teeth taller gearing.

I figure if you still have stock gearing on after 3 months you fit into one of 3 groups.

1. You don't know any better
2. You like that you bike is always super high in the R's
3. Your a cheap bastard and want to wait till you need new sprocket(I sympathize with you)

[Jono]

I'm a number 3. haha

[csmith12]

Jason, I race with 15/42 gearing. Just means you have to work dat shift lever a bit more. Oh.... stay outta 6th too. hahahahahah

[Aggrotech]

I fit in group 1.

and maybe 3

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Jason, I race with 15/42 gearing. Just means you have to work dat shift lever a bit more. Oh.... stay outta 6th too. hahahahahah

You mean work it less right long time between shift so you typically shift less and you never need 6th gear since you can't even hit redline in 5th before running out of power

I ran the same lap times on both gearing setups at CVMA but I liked where to the shift points where on the track with the 14-45 vs 15-41. Ill be taking the the 15-41 setup with me to give me options if I find myself in between gears in the turns. As to why I swapped it before trying the 15-41 first, well it was decided on a whim while I was waiting for my wheel to balance.

[csmith12]

Shifting more or less depends on the track. I should have said that instead..... I think our tracks over here are smaller and tighter.

Why you no hit redline in 5th? I run out of power just a bit after the shift to 6th, just a KY redneck butt dyno tune.

I made the swap because I was bouncing the rev limiter on corner exit with stock gears. Everyone just told me to go faster and carry more speed but I felt it had no power to drive outta the corner. So their point of going faster was valid for me but that setup didn't match my riding at the time. Maybe I will try stock again sometime this year now that I am a bit faster.

[bkh2]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

... 80mph at 8100rpms all the way up to 9800rpms
...

Just curious, and not sure if you already said specifically in your post, but what gearing were you using to achieve this? For reasons unknown, even to me, I was paranoid about running a taller front sprocket, so I run 14/38. I definitely do like the lower revving on the highway, but I'm not sure if the RPM reductions I'm seeing are as severe as yours.

[Live2ride]

I went up one tooth in the front, made it sooooooooooo much better.

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by bkh2

Just curious, and not sure if you already said specifically in your post, but what gearing were you using to achieve this? For reasons unknown, even to me, I was paranoid about running a taller front sprocket, so I run 14/38. I definitely do like the lower revving on the highway, but I'm not sure if the RPM reductions I'm seeing are as severe as yours.

15-41 with ether a 150 or 140 rear tire. The RPMs will change a bit with every different tire you mount. Your basically running the same ratio as me just with different gearing. 15-41=2.73 vs 14-38=2.71 vs 14-45=3.21 the smaller the ratio # the lower the RPMs. You should be able to fit a 16 but the 41-42 rear sprockets are already big so just go smaller in the rear I say plus its less rotating mass.

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Shifting more or less depends on the track. I should have said that instead..... I think our tracks over here are smaller and tighter.

Why you no hit redline in 5th? I run out of power just a bit after the shift to 6th, just a KY redneck butt dyno tune.

I made the swap because I was bouncing the rev limiter on corner exit with stock gears. Everyone just told me to go faster and carry more speed but I felt it had no power to drive outta the corner. So their point of going faster was valid for me but that setup didn't match my riding at the time. Maybe I will try stock again sometime this year now that I am a bit faster.

I think my 5th tops out at like 110 mph so unless I ride off a cliff its just to tall

[Sirref]

I fit into group 1
and 2
and 3 hahahahaha

but seriously since I spend most of my time on hwy commute and I enjoy high revs I am mostly group 2 though I would have to learn more anyway to get out of group 1 and I am definitely cheap as hell so group 3 too

that said, Is changing the gearing really that much more comfortable? I don't really see it making much of a difference and with my speedo disconnected I'd rather not relearn what revs = what speed

[CycleCam303]

Yea yea rub it in. I'll add it to the list of million and one things I need to do to the stupid bike since I'm kinda stuck with it. Thread jack- the stupid 300 is killing our resale value. My new gen is worthless!

I'm going to say two words; calaveras road. Leave the thing in second gear and I get the jump on you with plenty of over rev for the straights. Suck on that mr 15/41 hahaha

[cuong-nutz]

I'm more of number 3 and less of 1.

Finally switched to the 15t after 2.5 years of riding stock. RPMs are slightly lower. I'm not hitting the rev limiter in 6th now

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by CycleCam303

Yea yea rub it in. I'll add it to the list of million and one things I need to do to the stupid bike since I'm kinda stuck with it. Thread jack- the stupid 300 is killing our resale value. My new gen is worthless!

I'm going to say two words; calaveras road. Leave the thing in second gear and I get the jump on you with plenty of over rev for the straights. Suck on that mr 15/41 hahaha

Yeah Cams right when I ride at his pace my gearing is just to tall because of total and utter lack of mid corner speed

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

I think my 5th tops out at like 110 mph so unless I ride off a cliff its just to tall

97mph (gps) is the fastest I got up to before running outta straight. I think I would have topped out just about 101 or 102.

[broilmebk]

Changing to the 15T was one of the first things I did; couldn't stand the high RPMs. I'm at 15/44 now and love it.
Down with stock sprockets!

[subxero]

If the change in acceleration from switching to 15-41 is not that much over stock gearing i will have to look into doing this. Once i get some cash to spend on my bike, might be a few months

[CycleCam303]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Yeah Cams right when I ride at his pace my gearing is just to tall because of total and utter lack of mid corner speed

It's those mad supermoto skills I have. Park n go bro

[Jiggles]

I guess I've never really cared

I've never tried a 15t bike so idk the difference

[anacron]

I haven't changed the gearing on my 300 but seriously looking into it.

Here's my super annoying scenario:

The exit ramp for my parking garage is super steep, I mean, we're talking like at least 12% gradient. The ramp is perpendicular to the road and the road is an 8% gradient downhill with a stop sign in 100 ft.

I get up the exit ramp in 1st, turn on to the street and shift up to 2nd (b/c its a relatively busy road and I need to maintain speed). The problem is by the time I shift and give it gas, the stop sign comes up and I have to shift down.

Great for practicing quick gear shifts but it gets really old, really fast.

[allanoue]

1st is fine @ 30 MPH

[anacron]

Originally Posted by allanoue

1st is fine @ 30 MPH

How high are your revs at that point?

[antiant]

Originally Posted by allanoue

1st is fine @ 30 MPH

^ What? 1st gear is really short, I don't know if it's me or if I'm a noob, but the bike seems to tell me to shift right away out of 1st, otherwise it kind of whines. You should be in 2nd gear around that MPH, no (maybe even 3rd)?

[allanoue]

I think I hit the limiter around 34 or 35

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by antiant

^ What? 1st gear is really short, I don't know if it's me or if I'm a noob, but the bike seems to tell me to shift right away out of 1st, otherwise it kind of whines. You should be in 2nd gear around that MPH, no (maybe even 3rd)?

Oh ya, it is winning

[anacron]

Originally Posted by antiant

^ What? 1st gear is really short, I don't know if it's me or if I'm a noob, but the bike seems to tell me to shift right away out of 1st, otherwise it kind of whines. You should be in 2nd gear around that MPH, no (maybe even 3rd)?

Originally Posted by allanoue

I think I hit the limiter around 34 or 35

Yeah, still in the break-in and definitely not planning on taking the revs that high for 30. The speed limit is 35 on that road.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by anacron

Yeah, still in the break-in and definitely not planning on taking the revs that high for 30. The speed limit is 35 on that road.

Oh c'mon! Don't be a pussy!

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Oh c'mon! Don't be a pussy!

[anacron]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Oh c'mon! Don't be a pussy!

Says, the man who just told me going over 6k is destroying the engine

[allanoue]

Go change her oil and then wring her neck. She will love you for it.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by anacron

Says, the man who just told me going over 6k is destroying the engine

Ugh! Here!

My 300 just got over 600 miles, it's had 3 trackdays in those 600.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by anacron

Says, the man who just told me going over 6k is destroying the engine

jiggles took his 300 to the track for his break-in.

[anacron]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Ugh! Here!

My 300 just got over 600 miles, it's had 3 trackdays in those 600.

Word, I saw that video. Just sayin', I am rev happy on my 300 but it loses juice really quickly in 1st.

Having said that, good to know the 300 can handle abuse like a boss.

[allanoue]

I have 3056 miles on mine and it gets better gas milage with every tank fill. It cant keep doing that, can it?

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by allanoue

I have 3056 miles on mine and it gets better gas milage with every tank fill. It cant keep doing that, can it?

It's not the bike, it's the rider.

[greenaero]

Jason, You are absolutely right about the stock gearing; way too low for the freeway. I've kept my 2005 stock until I finish baseline testing on it but I've already ordered a 15T front sprocket for it and will probbly replace the rear sprocket with a 37T. I haven't refilled the 2005 since I bought it and it has 244 miles on the tip odometer and still is not on reserve. I hope to test it this weekend with Alan Smith on our 100 mile fuel economy lap ( Livermore to Patterson to Livermore.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by anacron

How high are your revs at that point?

30mph is 11000 rpm
and the limiter is at 37 mph

[Reswob]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

I figure if you still have stock gearing on after 3 months you fit into one of 3 groups.

1. You don't know any better
2. You like that you bike is always super high in the R's
3. Your a cheap bastard and want to wait till you need new sprocket(I sympathize with you)

4. You don't want to have any less acceleration, but you can't afford to lose any top end either, stock gearing is right where is needs to be.

[lgk]

pretty pleased with the 15 tooth front.
the minor loss of low end pull, was acceptable to me.

[tfkrocks]

Originally Posted by allanoue

I have 3056 miles on mine and it gets better gas milage with every tank fill. It cant keep doing that, can it?

Mine was doing that too haha