Post pics of your most recent track/racing BP (Body Positioning) - Page 22

adouglas · August 19th, 2015, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by M42

Oh! I remembered now what I wanted to ask. When do you shift off the seat? I saw a lot of other riders doing it while braking and before turn-in, but when I tried it, I lost all ability to grip the tank with my knees and all my weight went into my arms. What do you guys do?

Ben said it well.

Here's what I do (and this is pretty recent... I'd been sitting too close to the tank)

1) Slide back in the seat. Looks like you're already doing this. You should have at least a fist distance between crotch and tank.

2) Move your butt off to one side and lock your outside thigh, close to the knee, against the rear corner of of the tank.

3) Keep your inside leg against the tank. Squeeze with your knees and get your upper body down. That will help with the forces. As Ben noted, you'll be a bit twisted.

4) Before you tip-in, rotate your inside leg out away from the bike. Point your toe... heel up, and against the guard. That will help you get your knee farther out.

4) Relax your arms... this is an ongoing issue for me. I have to think about it. When I remember to keep that inside arm nice and relaxed, the corner is way smoother. My mental image is my inside elbow pointing at the ground instead of off to the side. If I'm doing this, it's relaxed.

Semantics are important here... people talk about the inside of your thigh against the tank, but that could be anywhere from knee joint to crotch. It's closer to your knee... that's why you're sliding back. It lets you get farther off the bike (try moving off while forward on the seat, and then after moving back... you'll find you can move off farther, easier, if you're positioned back).

Stompgrips REALLY help. If don't have any, get 'em.

alex.s · August 19th, 2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sirref

That's still humble, I suck at passing against riders of similar pace. I was making on average 3 passing attempts per lap for 10 laps and only a small handful of them worked out only to have me blow the next corner and have him come right back. I had more outright pace than him because he slowed up in a few key corners that caused us to fall behind but I wasn't skilled enough to hop off line and take advantage of that in those corners. Rick is a good rider, but he's no Paul (Paul is one of the fastest coaches with TPM)

i would suggest sandbagging in a C group day and focus on passing. limit yourself to just slightly faster than the person you're practicing with that way you get the experience of lining up the pass correctly without blowing the next few corners. then when you're doing it at race pace it's all natural

M42 · August 19th, 2015, 01:27 PM

Ooooh I gotcha now! For whatever reason I was thinking you had to shift off and rotate your knee out at the same time (I saw other people doing it, but this is white class, sooooo). Can't wait to try it at the next trackday... a month from now

Sirref · August 19th, 2015, 02:23 PM

The wonderful thing about BP is that you don't need to be riding to practice it

you can work on it with your bike on a rearstand, though if you want to work on quick knee to knee transitions I recommend having someone hold onto the front of the bike

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Originally Posted by alex.s

i would suggest sandbagging in a C group day and focus on passing. limit yourself to just slightly faster than the person you're practicing with that way you get the experience of lining up the pass correctly without blowing the next few corners. then when you're doing it at race pace it's all natural

I don't think they'll let me sandbag down to novice but I'll give it a shot in intermediate

choneofakind · August 19th, 2015, 02:57 PM

Butt-cam view is so helpful for realizing how much further you have to get off the bike

alex.s · August 19th, 2015, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirref

I don't think they'll let me sandbag down to novice but I'll give it a shot in intermediate

not sure your passing rules for local clubs but hopefully either C or B group allows both side passing. explaining that you'll be safe and go slow and are going to be practicing safe passes and they'll let you sandbag in C all day. just dont start riding like you're in a race.

Sirref · August 19th, 2015, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

not sure your passing rules for local clubs but hopefully either C or B group allows both side passing. explaining that you'll be safe and go slow and are going to be practicing safe passes and they'll let you sandbag in C all day. just dont start riding like you're in a race.

passing rules with the clubs that I ride with regularly
advanced - pass whenever and however you want, don't be a jerk
intermediate/novice - no passing on the inside before the apex, pass on either side down the straights

it's a shame because inside passing on the brakes is what I need to work on the most, at least I get to pass on the inside post apex so working on late apex cornering to pass on the inside at the exit may work well

csmith12 · August 19th, 2015, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirref

I get to pass on the inside post apex so working on late apex cornering to pass on the inside at the exit may work well

Yes! Carry the speed, out steer them and beat them back to the throttle for a faster drive out underneath.

M42 · August 20th, 2015, 02:32 PM

SO IT BEGINS

burningscooter · August 20th, 2015, 04:45 PM

Exiting T10 on Saturday. This is my favorite turn on the track. Absolutely love it.

gogoKawi · August 20th, 2015, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by burningscooter

Exiting T10 on Saturday. This is my favorite turn on the track. Absolutely love it.

Hey now! I know that bike! Looking good!

burningscooter · August 21st, 2015, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gogoKawi

Hey now! I know that bike! Looking good!

:P

Most people know the truck! Well, mostly because there's a certain someone always standing on it taking photos.

Sirref · August 21st, 2015, 06:46 AM

I know the bike better than the truck, I'm not one to look off track while riding and you pass me every once in a while

burningscooter · August 21st, 2015, 07:02 AM

Thats nice, Ben. LMAO

csmith12 · August 21st, 2015, 12:53 PM

My left hand showing what my right hand is doing.

adouglas · August 21st, 2015, 01:07 PM

Damn head lice... God this itches!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by csmith12

allanoue · August 21st, 2015, 01:10 PM

knock wood

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Originally Posted by csmith12

csmith12 · August 21st, 2015, 01:17 PM

lol ya'lls

Great captions!

adouglas · August 21st, 2015, 02:50 PM

7 or 11... c'mon, baby needs a new pair of shoes..... (rattle rattle)

csmith12 · August 21st, 2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by adouglas

7 or 11... c'mon, baby needs a new pair of shoes..... (rattle rattle)

lol I got snake eyes some odd sessions later.

csmith12 · August 21st, 2015, 04:16 PM

Looks like I could be holding a cell phone.

EDIT:

allanoue · August 21st, 2015, 05:49 PM

Did i put the the oil cap back on ... let me think a second

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Originally Posted by csmith12

My left hand showing what my right hand is doing.

algs26 · August 22nd, 2015, 11:15 AM

Someone photoshop a shake weight and animate a few frames for a GIF, please.

csmith12 · August 23rd, 2015, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by allanoue

Did i put the the oil cap back on ... let me think a second

Funny you post that one. I did leave the oil cap off in Feb. while riding at JenningsGP. It filled my boot with oil instead of dropping it all over the track.

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Originally Posted by algs26

Someone photoshop a shake weight and animate a few frames for a GIF, please.

Shake weight.... ummmm NOOOOOOOO! bwahahahhahahaahhahaa

allanoue · August 23rd, 2015, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by csmith12

Funny you post that one. I did leave the oil cap off in Feb. while riding at JenningsGP. It filled my boot with oil instead of dropping it all over

Yes, you left it in KY as I recall

howlinhoss · August 23rd, 2015, 07:40 PM

Some pics from last track day. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!

I find my self dragging toe and from the pics it looks like I need to bring my toes up more on the pegs. Anyone else have this issue?

Sirref · August 23rd, 2015, 07:48 PM

Looking good!

I drag the hell out of my toes too...then again I drag the pegs too (not as much) so I've adjusted to it.

you could definitely benefit from raising your foot and moving your knee a bit farther out at the same time (happens naturally when you raise your foot) once your knee hits the floor you start getting a lot more feel for your lean and it gives you a lot more confidence to go marginally lower each time. Then you see the price tag on new pucks hahahahaha

adouglas · August 23rd, 2015, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by csmith12

Funny you post that one. I did leave the oil cap off in Feb. while riding at JenningsGP. It filled my boot with oil instead of dropping it all over the track.

Redneck catch tank.

algs26 · August 23rd, 2015, 10:08 PM

Just the typical Thunderhill T2 pic.

sharky nrk · August 24th, 2015, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by howlinhoss

Some pics from last track day. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!

I find my self dragging toe and from the pics it looks like I need to bring my toes up more on the pegs. Anyone else have this issue?

I have knee issues from sports when I was younger (running and soccer took its toll lol) and I have trouble getting my knees to tolerate a position that keeps my toes off the deck, especially my right knee which is much worse than my left. I need to find/invest in some boots that will take the beating (my SMX+ and Cortech pair do not do as well as I would like) while I work my flexibility and mobility again lol.

Sirref · August 24th, 2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sharky nrk

I have knee issues from sports when I was younger (running and soccer took its toll lol) and I have trouble getting my knees to tolerate a position that keeps my toes off the deck, especially my right knee which is much worse than my left. I need to find/invest in some boots that will take the beating (my SMX+ and Cortech pair do not do as well as I would like) while I work my flexibility and mobility again lol.

Only thing I've seen that works for that is diligently replacing titanium toe sliders

makes knee pucks look cheap but you prevent grinding down the boot to nothing like one of the guys I race against did, he could stick his little toe out of the boot and never realized until after

CycleCam303 · August 24th, 2015, 01:24 PM

Hey @algs26 looking good out there! I only ran one session in B helping out one of my students. I was on the r3.

Turn 2 thunderhill. I'm #34

algs26 · August 24th, 2015, 01:55 PM

Did I miss you (@CycleCam303) in the morning meeting lineup?

CycleCam303 · August 24th, 2015, 02:00 PM

Uh yea you did. I got a nice slap on the wrist for sneaking in after the first session. Long story short I was going to buy a ninjette race bike that morning, decided that the bike wasn't going to work out and I was up at 4:50am yesterday morning putting my Daytona together after racing dirt track Saturday and getting back at 11pm. I'm flipping tired.

algs26 · August 25th, 2015, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CycleCam303

Uh yea you did. I got a nice slap on the wrist for sneaking in after the first session. Long story short I was going to buy a ninjette race bike that morning, decided that the bike wasn't going to work out and I was up at 4:50am yesterday morning putting my Daytona together after racing dirt track Saturday and getting back at 11pm. I'm flipping tired.

I was playing Rock Band (and a little Project Cars) at a lanfest till about the same time Sat. Freebird is too long. I hadn't shifted my sleep time earlier so I was screwed anyway.

Elloelvi · August 26th, 2015, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Peanut_EOD

I feel so popular! Thanks Nems.

GEEEEEEZUS. That's crazy low

choneofakind · August 26th, 2015, 05:43 AM

^^ I still love Peanut's pictures.

rc racer · August 26th, 2015, 06:04 AM

Got the R3 out for it's second race this year at Motorsport ranch in Cresson TX. improved my personal best lap time at this track by 1.5 seconds over the ninja 250.

sharky nrk · August 26th, 2015, 06:18 AM

Got some more pics of it in race trim? Looks like there was three or so R3s out racing this weekend.

rc racer · August 26th, 2015, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sharky nrk

Got some more pics of it in race trim? Looks like there was three or so R3s out racing this weekend.

Don't have many more pictures of it, just stuff like in the paddock on stands and warmers.

I know there where at least two other R3's racing last weekend besides me. Lynn Stackable with blue hotbodies bodywork and Jim Whitten #3 with primered bodywork way at the front of the pack.

August 19th, 2015, 01:27 PM	#843
M42 Wrench wench Name: The Stigette Location: DC/MD/VA Join Date: Jun 2014 Motorcycle(s): TWO HUNDRED FORTY EIGHT CUBIC CENTIMETERS (R.I.P.), SIX HUNDRED FORTY FIVE CUBIC CENTIMETERS Posts: 415	Ooooh I gotcha now! For whatever reason I was thinking you had to shift off and rotate your knee out at the same time (I saw other people doing it, but this is white class, sooooo). Can't wait to try it at the next trackday... a month from now __________________________________________________

August 20th, 2015, 02:32 PM	#849
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August 21st, 2015, 06:46 AM	#853
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	I know the bike better than the truck, I'm not one to look off track while riding and you pass me every once in a while __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?

August 21st, 2015, 12:53 PM	#855
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	My left hand showing what my right hand is doing. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

August 21st, 2015, 01:17 PM	#858
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	lol ya'lls Great captions! __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

August 19th, 2015, 02:57 PM	#845
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Butt-cam view is so helpful for realizing how much further you have to get off the bike

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August 21st, 2015, 04:16 PM	#861
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Looks like I could be holding a cell phone. EDIT: __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

August 22nd, 2015, 11:15 AM	#863
algs26 ninjette.org guru Name: al Location: NorCal Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): ex300, gave up looking for a 250 Posts: 435	Someone photoshop a shake weight and animate a few frames for a GIF, please.

August 23rd, 2015, 07:40 PM	#866
howlinhoss ninjette.org member Name: Jose Location: Maryland Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300 Posts: 93	Some pics from last track day. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated! I find my self dragging toe and from the pics it looks like I need to bring my toes up more on the pegs. Anyone else have this issue?
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August 23rd, 2015, 07:48 PM	#867
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	Looking good! I drag the hell out of my toes too...then again I drag the pegs too (not as much) so I've adjusted to it. you could definitely benefit from raising your foot and moving your knee a bit farther out at the same time (happens naturally when you raise your foot) once your knee hits the floor you start getting a lot more feel for your lean and it gives you a lot more confidence to go marginally lower each time. Then you see the price tag on new pucks hahahahaha __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?

August 23rd, 2015, 10:08 PM	#869
algs26 ninjette.org guru Name: al Location: NorCal Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): ex300, gave up looking for a 250 Posts: 435	Just the typical Thunderhill T2 pic.
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August 24th, 2015, 01:55 PM	#873
algs26 ninjette.org guru Name: al Location: NorCal Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): ex300, gave up looking for a 250 Posts: 435	Did I miss you (@CycleCam303) in the morning meeting lineup? Last futzed with by algs26; August 24th, 2015 at 01:59 PM. Reason: fix mention code

August 24th, 2015, 02:00 PM	#874
CycleCam303 King Hamfist Name: Cameron Location: NorCal East Bay Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Crf 150R, 2011 Hypermotard 796 Posts: 940	Uh yea you did. I got a nice slap on the wrist for sneaking in after the first session. Long story short I was going to buy a ninjette race bike that morning, decided that the bike wasn't going to work out and I was up at 4:50am yesterday morning putting my Daytona together after racing dirt track Saturday and getting back at 11pm. I'm flipping tired.

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August 26th, 2015, 06:18 AM	#879
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