good book suggestions...

[RJprod]

I'm sure I have a post here about this before. I can't remember. Anyway I have some cash this week, and think it's now or never I get some books to fine-tune my skills..

Guys give me your suggestions. What books you recommend?

[Alex]

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[RJprod]

Originally Posted by Alex

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ah.. thank u

[RJprod]

Originally Posted by Alex

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I've come across maximum control by Pat Hahn. what do you think of it?

[Alex]

[CycleCam303]

I bought total control by lee parks on a whim. It's simple but I think it's the first book you should absolutely read first. While the actual riding techniques are straightforward and helpful, the technical writing about motorcycle suspension, tires, and chassis dynamics is especially good. I'm a firm believer that knowing and understanding how the machine works helps the operator get more out of it. Plus lee goes into detail about how to practice the skills in a parking lot. In a perfect world you should go ahead and read nick ienatsh's along with twist of the wrist 2 also. All three books contain a lot of different approaches to the same issues. Everyone kinda has their own style and reading through all of those will help you figure out how you need to ride.

[ally99]

Originally Posted by RJprod

I've come across maximum control by Pat Hahn. what do you think of it?

I read a lot. Never heard of this one.

Originally Posted by CycleCam303

I bought total control by lee parks on a whim. It's simple but I think it's the first book you should absolutely read first. While the actual riding techniques are straightforward and helpful, the technical writing about motorcycle suspension, tires, and chassis dynamics is especially good. .

+1 to Total Control. Also Twist of the Wrist II. For the basics, Proficient Motorcycling.

[DaBlue1]

Motorcycle Safety and Dynamics is good also. (same book on Amazon)

Check out the Motorcycle Safety Group's Motorcycle Tips & Techniques.

[alex.s]

no book will teach as much as you can learn by following someone who knows what they are doing on a race track.

[tooblekain]

I agree that you can read all the books on riding, but you have to put it to practice.

So make sure you get as much seat time on the bike and if you can, get some coaching.

[RJprod]

Originally Posted by ally99

I read a lot. Never heard of this one.



+1 to Total Control. Also Twist of the Wrist II. For the basics, Proficient Motorcycling.

Thank u

[RJprod]

Originally Posted by DaBlue1

Check out the Motorcycle Safety Group's Motorcycle Tips & Techniques.

I came across this website, but forgot to Bookmark it. thank u..

[RJprod]

Originally Posted by alex.s

no book will teach as much as you can learn by following someone who knows what they are doing on a race track.

I don't think there's a race track down here in Tampa. I could be wrong since am fairly new to the city.

[RJprod]

Originally Posted by tooblekain

I agree that you can read all the books on riding, but you have to put it to practice.

So make sure you get as much seat time on the bike and if you can, get some coaching.

I usually practice where I took my msf. it's right by my school in a mall parking lot.
And I also think having the motorcycle as my only mean of transportation is very beneficial...

[Xoulrath]

Originally Posted by RJprod

I don't think there's a race track down here in Tampa. I could be wrong since am fairly new to the city.

Jennings GP is about three hours away.

[RJprod]

Originally Posted by Xoulrath

Jennings GP is about three hours away.

True.. with the summer coming up, I might just go there a couple of times..

[Misti]

Originally Posted by alex.s

no book will teach as much as you can learn by following someone who knows what they are doing on a race track.

Originally Posted by tooblekain

I agree that you can read all the books on riding, but you have to put it to practice.

So make sure you get as much seat time on the bike and if you can, get some coaching.

Agreed. The books provide some nice facts and basic understanding of the skills but you really need to put it into practice in order to truly understand. The best way to put it into practice is to take a riding school, work with a certified coach and practice one thing at a time until you have a solid grasp of each individual skill.

I've been working with the California Superbike School for the past 10 years so if anyone has any questions about the school itself, any of the techniques in Twist of the Wrist or anything else I'm happy to answer

Misti

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Misti

Agreed. The books provide some nice facts and basic understanding of the skills but you really need to put it into practice in order to truly understand. The best way to put it into practice is to take a riding school, work with a certified coach and practice one thing at a time until you have a solid grasp of each individual skill.

I've been working with the California Superbike School for the past 10 years so if anyone has any questions about the school itself, any of the techniques in Twist of the Wrist or anything else I'm happy to answer

Misti

completely random unrelated question:

suppose you're late braking hard after a long straight trying to pass someone expecting to trail into the turn in, and your rear wheel is coming off the ground. what's the best way to deal with it? less brakes until it comes back down then tip it? just tip it with with the rear off the ground and let it slide out? don't brake so hard your rear comes off the ground in the first place? maybe you could offer suggestions? i know what i'm asking is about recovery for a mistake and ideally the correct path is to not make the mistake in the first place, but as we know sometimes in racing there is give and take and mistakes can be made.

thanks

[Racer x]

Best motorcycle book I have ever read . It's called stealing speed.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/184425...dir_mdp_mobile

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by alex.s

completely random unrelated question:

suppose you're late braking hard after a long straight trying to pass someone expecting to trail into the turn in, and your rear wheel is coming off the ground. what's the best way to deal with it? less brakes until it comes back down then tip it? just tip it with with the rear off the ground and let it slide out? don't brake so hard your rear comes off the ground in the first place? maybe you could offer suggestions? i know what i'm asking is about recovery for a mistake and ideally the correct path is to not make the mistake in the first place, but as we know sometimes in racing there is give and take and mistakes can be made.

thanks

Awesome question, I have often wondered the same thing.

I wonder if she will say....

"You want the rear to float at the most. So when you trail off the breaks, the rear has enough contact to not slide out uncontrollably".

It took 10+ track days to get my suspension dialed in enough to just "float".

I also think if your gunna adjust your braking marker to go that deep, you will also have to adjust your tun in point and consequently the other 11 factors that will need to be adjusted in near real time.

[Misti]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Awesome question, I have often wondered the same thing.

I wonder if she will say....

"You want the rear to float at the most. So when you trail off the breaks, the rear has enough contact to not slide out uncontrollably".

It took 10+ track days to get my suspension dialed in enough to just "float".

I also think if your gunna adjust your braking marker to go that deep, you will also have to adjust your tun in point and consequently the other 11 factors that will need to be adjusted in near real time.

Hahahaha, is that one of Keith's quotes? I don't have that one memorized
I'm just answering below from my own riding/racing experiences...

Originally Posted by alex.s

completely random unrelated question:

suppose you're late braking hard after a long straight trying to pass someone expecting to trail into the turn in, and your rear wheel is coming off the ground. what's the best way to deal with it? less brakes until it comes back down then tip it? just tip it with with the rear off the ground and let it slide out? don't brake so hard your rear comes off the ground in the first place? maybe you could offer suggestions? i know what i'm asking is about recovery for a mistake and ideally the correct path is to not make the mistake in the first place, but as we know sometimes in racing there is give and take and mistakes can be made.

thanks

I had this happen a few times while racing, it means you are at max braking and I always just came out of the brakes a little bit so that the rear came down before trying to tip it in. I'd also try not to brake so hard next time so that the rear doesn't come up off the ground but so that you are right on that threshold.

We all know how important it is to have a brake marker for when you want to get on the brakes but have you ever thought about having another marker for when you want to get off the brakes? How might that help in this situation?

Misti (I hope I answered your question.)

[tooblekain]

Originally Posted by Misti

We all know how important it is to have a brake marker for when you want to get on the brakes but have you ever thought about having another marker for when you want to get off the brakes? How might that help in this situation?

Misti (I hope I answered your question.)

OMG...you just opened up my eyes to a new factor to think about for my racing/trackdays. Thanks for posing that additional question!!!

[alex.s]

hahaha i heard thunder when i read "MAX BRAKING!!!!"

thanks misti

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by Misti

Hahahaha, is that one of Keith's quotes? I don't have that one memorized

Nope, it's one of mine.

[Misti]

Originally Posted by tooblekain

OMG...you just opened up my eyes to a new factor to think about for my racing/trackdays. Thanks for posing that additional question!!!

Of course! It's what I do

So, what do you think would a benefit of having an end of braking RP? What kinds of things do you think it will help with?

Misti

[tooblekain]

Originally Posted by Misti

Of course! It's what I do

So, what do you think would a benefit of having an end of braking RP? What kinds of things do you think it will help with?

Misti

I can see the benefit that if you have an established end of braking reference point, if you can bring it closer or lessen your braking duration, you'll be able to have a better corner entry speed. And if you have have a new reference marker for braking, it will help with lap time consistency.

[RJprod]

thank you for ur suggestions. I ordered 2 books, and supposed to get them yesterday!! (stupid USPS). A Twist of the Wrist 2 by Keith Code, and Smooth Riding the Pridmore Way by Pridmore. I will order total control tonight and some more.

I can't wait...