Official 2013 Ninja 300 (and 250) Thread

[dirty nasty]

Well, I dub thee (^^you), Nuts.

[Jiggles]

You missed

[wandyhee]

Originally Posted by Shibadip

Do you know which parts of Asia are getting 300??
Especially India

look at your local motorcycle license regulation (normally on the back side of your driving license card) if it has category limited to (no more than) 250cc for the lowest requirement, chance for 300cc enter your country are slim. but if it's say limited to 300cc for lowest requirement, chance are better.


Malaysia motorcycle license regulation are divide into 3 categories:

B2 motorcycle no more than 250cc
B1 motorcycle no more than 500cc
B motorcycle MORE than 500cc

so, chance for 300cc ninja entering Malaysia market are ZERO

[Shibadip]

Originally Posted by wandyhee

look at your local motorcycle license regulation (normally on the back side of your driving license card) if it has category limited to (no more than) 250cc for the lowest requirement, chance for 300cc enter your country are slim. but if it's say limited to 300cc for lowest requirement, chance are better.


Malaysia motorcycle license regulation are divide into 3 categories:

B2 motorcycle no more than 250cc
B1 motorcycle no more than 500cc
B motorcycle MORE than 500cc

so, chance for 300cc ninja entering Malaysia market are ZERO

Well, there is nothing like that here in India. If one gets a License, He can ride any Motorcycle, whether a 100cc , or a liter class.
There is no license category.

[rph12]

2013 300 is the ****. Sorry if you have a newgen, but don't hate just because you're in denial.


I hope I can get my hands on one of these...

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by rph12

2013 300 is the ****. Sorry if you have a newgen, but don't hate just because you're in denial.


I hope I can get my hands on one of these...

eh, its ok, certainly better than a pregen though

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Shibadip

If one gets a License, He can ride any Motorcycle, whether a 100cc , or a liter class.

I beg to differ

Link to original page on YouTube.

[msebastian]

Jiggles you classic son of a bitch. I have not seen a thread that you are not apart of. You are like the super troll of ninjette, I have no clue how you keep up.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by msebastian

Jiggles you classic son of a bitch. I have not seen a thread that you are not apart of. You are like the super troll of ninjette, I have no clue how you keep up.

*ahem* I mean disability

And I'm only part of the good threads

[msebastian]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

*ahem* I mean disability

And I'm only part of the good threads

So why are you in my threads.

[Jiggles]

Any thread I touch turns to gold

[Trailerboy531]

On the bright side, now we can still say pregen, newgen, and 300.

[wandyhee]

Originally Posted by Shibadip

Well, there is nothing like that here in India. If one gets a License, He can ride any Motorcycle, whether a 100cc , or a liter class.
There is no license category.

wow!

anyway.. there's chance for ninja 300 entering your country market

[wandyhee]

Originally Posted by Jatan

Yep -- no more 250 except in some parts of Asia where they'll keep it a 250 (they won't get the 300)
There is a [ you ] tag so it puts the person viewing the thread's name in there, try it

Remove spaces in between:
[ you ]
Unregistered

so this is what exactly what I saw under 'Jiggles' avatar? LOL! make my brain shut when I first saw it


you guys got me!

[zenn92]

anyone here know why the SE hasnt been released i europe?

So far they've only announced the green and black one on kawasaki.eu, perhaps we might see a SE one when we get the prices etc.?

[fjyang]

Just read from Motorcyclist Magazine's facebook post, the Ninja 300 will be listed $4,799 starting (no ABS). Not too bad, and it will impact CBR 250 sales for sure.

[ali0120]

@Jiggles What that signature dude!? Nude picture of ali0120??

[Shibadip]

Originally Posted by wandyhee

wow!

anyway.. there's chance for ninja 300 entering your country market

Thanks Buddy... This really made my Day.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by ali0120

@Jiggles What that signature dude!? Nude picture of ali0120??

Click the lalala face

[ali0120]

LMAO

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Shibadip

Well, there is nothing like that here in India. If one gets a License, He can ride any Motorcycle, whether a 100cc , or a liter class.
There is no license category.

India's cool. They don't have stop lights. Stop lights are for wimps.

[brendonjw]

Im curious to know about the engine mounts, if its not too much work wouldnt mind putting a 300cc into my 250cc (just wait for some people to start crashing their 300's and pick up a engine on the cheap, it might work out

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Alex

That's fair, but I thought that even with standard FI (not DI), since the injectors can be tweaked to deliver that spray of fuel at the microsecond level, it can be timed for different periods of the revolution more precisely than carbs, which are relying entirely on that vacuum.

With FI it would only spray during the intake stroke when there is a vacuum. That's pretty much the only timing involved with FI. The goal is generally to spray mostly early into the stroke to provide for better fuel-air mixing. But at high RPMs, the intake stroke is very short (time wise) and you pretty much have to spray during the entire intake stroke depending on the size of the injector.

The advantage of FI is simply that you can vary the quantity of fuel sprayed based of numerous variables - such as engine temp, engine load, RPM, deceleration, etc. Which is an advantage over carbs which operate solely on vacuum. It also has the advantage of being able to change mixture on the fly so alternate fuels can be used such as E85.

But getting back to the compression, what is the advantage of shortening the compression stroke with the valves as opposed to simply having a shorter physical stroke? How does this translate into more HP?

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

eh, its ok, certainly better than a pregen though

Just barely.

Pregen: 37.4 HP
Newgen: 31.5 HP
300: 38.9 HP

Seems like the 300 is just giving back what was previously taken away.

And they still haven't given back the center stand. I don't know how you newgen folks can live like that.

[Surferboy120]

Originally Posted by Trailerboy531

Fine... just me then?

Sure thing let me know when your in TX.

[THE BIG SITT]

Originally Posted by dirty nasty

A 300 in track trim.

Wow that track trim is awesome. But seeing that means companies have had a 300 for a while now… Y then no share!

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Man, wheels are so gay

Man, Sean is so gay

Originally Posted by msebastian

Jiggles you classic son of a bitch. I have not seen a thread that you are not apart of. You are like the super troll of ninjette, I have no clue how you keep up.

For a new member, that is a very accurate of Jiggles.

[Alex]

The valve timing and overlap is one of the parameters used to determine the engine's character. Where should it make its power, is it optimized for high-rpm peak power, or a smoother mid-range. One example is the difference between Ducati's 1098 engine in the superbike and the multistrada. Very similar engines, but the multistrada one has only 11 degrees of overlap (both intake/exhaust valves open together for 11 degrees of the rotation), while the superbike version had 41 degrees of overlap. Their newest 1199 engine has something like 45 degrees of overlap, for even more peak power/less midrange.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by dragonboy

Been away for awhile n all hell breaks loose. Ogling the 300. Definitely more aggressive, finally. Since only 50% is new, wondering how many parts will swap over, including the body. ;-)

I am sure we will see mods getting the 300 bodywork on the 08-12 250. If your good with your hands and have a bit of skill with metal, fiberglass and paint you can make just about any bodywork go on just about any bike. I myself am not rushing to go out and buy one but am interested in how much will swap over.

If a 300 "with mods" can hit about 45-50hp, I would consider buying one. I feel it would be the perfect balance of power & performance while addressing the 250 commuter concerns (freeway) while keeping in touch with a lightweight bike linage and hopefully keep the prices in check.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

Just barely.

Pregen: 37.4 HP
Newgen: 31.5 HP
300: 38.9 HP

Seems like the 300 is just giving back what was previously taken away.

Not your pre-gen. It hasn't been rated at 37.4 hp for 15 years.

[THE BIG SITT]

Sorry if this has been discussed, but what does this bike mean for the 250 racing classes?

[csmith12]

I asked that very same question in another forum.

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Alex

Not your pre-gen. It hasn't been rated at 37.4 hp for 15 years.

That's what the EX250F is rated at on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_250R

Oh, and those are all crank HP.

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Alex

The valve timing and overlap is one of the parameters used to determine the engine's character. Where should it make its power, is it optimized for high-rpm peak power, or a smoother mid-range. One example is the difference between Ducati's 1098 engine in the superbike and the multistrada. Very similar engines, but the multistrada one has only 11 degrees of overlap (both intake/exhaust valves open together for 11 degrees of the rotation), while the superbike version had 41 degrees of overlap. Their newest 1199 engine has something like 45 degrees of overlap, for even more peak power/less midrange.

I hadn't thought of overlap. I think you mean the exhaust is still open when the intake starts to open. That would imply that there is a fair bit of regurgitation when both valves are open at the same time. But I'm assuming the deal is that one valve is closing while the other is opening kind of overlap.

Actually, I was thinking about the lengthened intake stroke being a way to get more power out of the stroke. That is, say the piston doesn't actually start compressing until it gets say 8mm up from BDC, so the fuel/air charge is based on the smaller volume, but in the power stroke, it would go all the way to the bottom. That seems to imply more power with less fuel.

[Alex]

Read the wiki more carefully:

Though the previous generation Ninja 250 had a peak power advantage of 1 to 5 hp (0.75 to 3.7 kW),[5][11][12] the new version's 20 or 30 percent increase in mid-range power allows the bike to pull from 3,000 rpm where previously it had to be revved to 4,000 rpm.[13]

Then look at the references. [5] links to the 1988 service manual supplement, which does have that 38 ps rating. [11] links to a comparison done in 2008 between the 2007 & 2008 models:

The greater amount of low-end torque isthe new engine’s first noticeable performancedifference. The ’08 Ninja can get going atabout 3000 rpm, while the old one needs to berevved all the way to 4000 rpm before itwould get off the line. Kawasaki claimed thatthe Ninja has 30% more mid-range power.Our comparison of the two dyno chartsshowed that the new one has about 2 lb./ft.more between 4500 and 5750 rpm than the old model, translatinginto about 20% more power. At the top of the rev range, above12,000 rpm, the ’08 model has about 1.25 lb./ft. less torque. Theolder model actually makes more peak horsepower than the newmodel: 27.46 @ 12,000 rpm for the ’04 vs. 26.40 @ 11,000 rpmfor the ’08.

For a peak power difference of 1 hp between the models by that point.

I don't know why this keeps coming up over and over again, I thought chone's 0-60 thread put to bed the belief that the pregens were monsters while the newgens were neutered mice.

[flynjay]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

What I don't understand is why the Ninja 250 runs fine on regular 87 octane and has a high compression ratio (12.4:1). The ZX-6R is 13.3:1 and requires 90 octane gas. However, an airplane engine needs 100 octane for only 10:1. A Lycoming O-320-D3G is only 8.5:1. What gives?

Most small GA Airplanes don't "require" high octane gas. Actually I know of several that run on "MoGAS" (e.g. normal gasoline).

The higher octane, achieved by the addition of lead, is required for the higher horsepower, turbocharged airplanes.

Turbocharging is required for any plane that flies over 10,000 since horespower is a function of air density and you are at about %50 power at 10,000 in a NA engine. That is why service cealing on a large number of small GA airplanes is 10,000 ft. If they are turbocharged they can usually go up to 18,000ft or so.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

Actually, I was thinking about the lengthened intake stroke being a way to get more power out of the stroke. That is, say the piston doesn't actually start compressing until it gets say 8mm up from BDC, so the fuel/air charge is based on the smaller volume, but in the power stroke, it would go all the way to the bottom. That seems to imply more power with less fuel.

Yup. That's basically the whole concept of the Atkinson cycle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkinson_cycle

More details in the link, but some modern engines futz with the valve timing to get some of the benefits of that compression/combustion timing.

[Heed]

1. How much do you think it'll cost to get a Ninja 300 out the door?

I think a lot of people are being fooled by seeing that the MSRP is only ~$600 or so more expensive than that of a 2012 Ninja 250R...But I think dealers are going to want an arm and a leg added to that.

2. Is the 300 even worth a beginner's trouble? I'm still searching for my first motorcycle. There's just a few things that shy me away from the Ninja 300:

-price
-the probability that I'll drop a brand new bike
-and maybe weight. I'm a small 135 Lb guy.


I wonder if
A). these things will be around in the winter?
B). will they be cheaper by then?

[Miles_Prower]

don't worry about weight..the new one will be 4 lbs heavier, .4 inch higher (but slimmer up front?). I'm 115lbs, have no trouble, and you will barely notice 4lbs I think.

but price could definitely be an issue. i cant see them charging more than they already do..freight would be the same, assembly is more or less the same probs, documentation is still documentation, etc.

so itll just be $600 more.

[kbryant]

$5499 msrp

[Heed]

Originally Posted by kbryant

$5499 msrp

that must be for ABS model