Putting 100mi on New Tires

[Jiggles]

Is it all that necessary or is it just a rule of thumb. Here's my thoughts on it, the unscrubbed parts of the tire don't grip well. The middle of the tire is broken in rather quickly possibly within a mile. It's recommended you go slow for the first 100mi so that the contact patch stays mostly on the scrubbed in part and as you slowly do a bit more turning it slowly scrubs in more and more of the tire.

Is that sort of the idea with the recommended 100mi on a tire? If so, in experienced hands would it be possible to fully scrub in the tire in say 20mi? 10mi? 5mi?

I'm sure some track junkies will come in and say you dumb**** I put this **** on my bike and then go drag knee

[choneofakind]

Ride carefully till it's not shiny. (1 day yo) and you'll be fine.

New tires stick like glue once they're warm.

[ryan.chin]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Ride carefully till it's not shiny. (1 day yo) and you'll be fine.

New tires stick like glue once they're warm.

[choneofakind]

...and you felt the need to quote me why?

[psych0hans]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

...and you felt the need to quote me why?

Coz he wubs you...

[Xoulrath]

My tires were fine within 30-40 miles with no issues whatsoever.

Like you said, a good chunk of the tire is scrubbed in quickly simply from riding. Just don't toss it in too fast to begin with and I recommend you take it down a road you can ride with your eyes closed a couple of times. Increase the lean angle and done.

[Jiggles]

Sounds good, I'm having new tires put on thursday and then going on a 220mi group ride saturday. Just want to make sure I got all the traction I need to drag cupholder

[Aufitt]

2 laps and the nipples are gone, its up to temp and good to go.

Enjoy that new rubber while its in its prime.

[Gurk]

myth. doesnt apply to modern tires. fresh / brand spankin new tires, when warmed up to the correct temp and set up with optimal psi, has just as much (infact even more) grip than "scrubbed in" tires.

weaving in pit lane like a retard is another myth. if u wanna warm up your tires, accelerate smooth but hard and then heavy break on a straight line. then take 2 somewhat easy laps. then blast away!

[Jiggles]

This is for the street not the track everybody! Thanks though!

[menikmati]

What are ze new tires?

[Jiggles]

Diablos

[menikmati]

Hot diggity winsauce.

[00NissanNinja]

Honestly I felt pretty comfortable with those tires after just 15-20 miles. I went straight to the track after that though, a warm up lap or two, and bam time to set records. At first I was trying to slowly increase my lean but then I just said f it after the tires were warmed up and went at it and they stuck real well.

[Jiggles]

Well, I suppose slippery diablos are still better than IRC's

[Gurk]

What I said applies for street too.
Infact street tires warm up faster so you're all good. Just do the accelerate and brake hard thingy and you should be set to go.

The scrubbing in myth comes from the old days when tires weren't molded perfectly and had small holes / imperfections in them. They used to spray these tires to fill up those holes with a material that was slippery. You had to scrub off this material before tires were considered safe.

Now they apply the spray only on the sidewalls so that the brand name and specs are all nice and legible. They don't do it on the actual surface.

I wish I could find the link to this article I read. I'm pretty much passing along the exact same info. It's a great read.

[Gurk]

Should've just searched.

http://www.sportrider.com/tips/146_0...s/viewall.html


READ.

[W.Roworth]

Ok i work in the tyre industry and have have quite a bit of experience in tyre production.... Tyre moulds have teflon on them to help the mould and tyre separate. Its common knowledge that they retain some of the coating before you scrub it off.

It wont take long as its only the surface but YES you shouldnt trust BRAND NEW tyres to grip as much as scrubbed tyres..

Oh dont forget they need to be heat cycled sevearal times too

[Gurk]

guess you dont work at pirelli then.
let us know who u work for so i can avoid that brand

awww jk

but yeah "tire industry"
care to share which brand?

[W.Roworth]

Ive read the pirelli report and several others plus ive contacted bridgestone and dunlop, They all tell me that tyre heat cycling is important for the tyre to grip consistently.

Not to mention they still SPRAY the sidewall of tyres with release compound which is VERY slippery. It would only take a little oversprayto break traction if you start layin a tyre over straight from new.

See http://www.tyre-technology.com/index.php/heat-cycling

[Jiggles]

100 miles on new tires?

[Gurk]

Originally Posted by W.Roworth

Ive read the pirelli report and several others plus ive contacted bridgestone and dunlop, They all tell me that tyre heat cycling is important for the tyre to grip consistently.

Not to mention they still SPRAY the sidewall of tyres with release compound which is VERY slippery. It would only take a little oversprayto break traction if you start layin a tyre over straight from new.

See http://www.tyre-technology.com/index.php/heat-cycling

I guess joke's on me for not riding on the sidewall?

You read what I posted first

[Gurk]

Jigglet (can i call u that?)

I love you for posting that. lol

[W.Roworth]

Heat cycles requires heating and cooling several times, read the article. Theres no point arguin with someone who cannot take advice nor see if someone else is correct. Carry on o mighty gurklord with your almighty article you posted vs my 15 yrs expreience in this industy


PS You do know what Overspray is dont you??

[Jiggles]

You can call me whatever you want

[Gurk]

Originally Posted by W.Roworth

Heat cycles requires heating and cooling several times, read the article. Theres no point arguin with someone who cannot take advice nor see if someone else is correct. Carry on o mighty gurklord with your almighty article you posted vs my 15 yrs expreience in this industy


PS You do know what Overspray is dont you??

It's not like I'm pulling stuff out my ass (I do that all the time, just not in this thread)

The info is coming from "Cristoph Knoche, the Racing Manager for Pirelli Tire North America's Motorcycle Division"

I mean jesus christ... It's not you vs me. It's you who worked "15 yrs in tire industry" (pretty vague. I still don't know who you actually worked for or what kind of tires you made). VERSUS GOD DAMN RACING MANAGER FOR PIRELLI.

Anyway... I've done my part here

And I'll take gurklord thank you. lol beats "gurk off"

[Jiggles]

I like gurked chicken

[Aufitt]

Listen to choneofakind, once you've roughened the surface of the new tyre and got it up to temperature its good to go, that can happen in a couple of corners regardless of whether its on a country road, track or where ever.

If your riding is good, body postion is good then start comparing tyres.
have seen alot of noobs say how **** the IRC's are... I wonder how hard they really pushed them?
I did a few thousand km of road trips then 4 track days on them and yeah they were nothing compared to the 003's I run, but always knew when they were getting loose as they had alot more feel than super sticky ones.

End of the day your riding style is about a billion times more more important untill you get to a level where you are really melting them off and pushing to limits that 99% of 250 riders bever get to.

[BlueHairSar]

I was just asking about (also getting new tires on Thurs), so I actually know stuff now!:

Back in the day the used to use an oil-based thing (I'm really good with the technical) to get the tires out of the mold. Now they use Teflon. Teflon rubs off exponentially faster, so it's takes a lot less time than it used to to get the slippery to go away.

[csmith12]

When I get a new set of Q2's for street next season my tire guy is gunna slap em on, then look at me and say "go fast and take chances". What does your's say?

[bdavison]

Originally Posted by csmith12

When I get a new set of Q2's for street next season my tire guy is gunna slap em on, then look at me and say "go fast and take chances". What does your's say?

"Watch csmith12 lowside on slippery tires."

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by bdavison

"Watch csmith12 lowside on slippery tires."

Something like this maybe, hahahaha

Link to original page on YouTube.

Why does his rear tire look wet or is it just me?

[Jiggles]

@Aufitt the ircs are **** but I still rude the piss out of them

[Blake B]

that video is incredible

[mustang5.0]

when i picked up the ninja the dealer didnt say much and the tire looked dry... when i picked up the gixxer.. i had to watch videos and had everyone in the service and sales warnings me about the tires.. and the tire looks wet
but it was the show model on a tilted display.. i would guess they shined um.. almost ate it like the guy in the vid but i was able to upright and keep going

it doesnt need 100 but a good few depended on the road

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I'm sure some track junkies will come in and say you dumb**** I put this **** on my bike and then go drag knee

Fact.


seriously though. its not the tires that need conditioning. its the rider.

[Jiggles]

I remember reading someones post when I was new about how they got new tires put on and went to leave the dealership and their back wheel promptly slipped out from under them as they were leaving the driveway.

Been scared of new tires ever since

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I remember reading someones post when I was new about how they got new tires put on and went to leave the dealership and their back wheel promptly slipped out from under them as they were leaving the driveway.

Been scared of new tires ever since

its true, the surface of brand new tires, as well as any tire that hasn't been used in the past couple days starts to dry out and become more slippery. its why they say optimal traction loss in race conditions is about 10% so that it constantly refreshes the surface (scrapes the old, dried out rubber off exposing fresh sticky rubber underneath).

so if you go and try to do a wheelie on FOB tires you will probably do a burnout, and if you do a burnout when you are expecting a wheelie and dont really know how to do a burnout, chances are you're gonna crash and then blame the tires how they were covered in slick crap... but really its your own fault for not understanding how rubber works. besides it only takes one slide on the part of the tire to expose fresh rubber. so if you know how to not drop it like a squid you'll be fine after a lap around the lot.

[Old Lemon]

so do a burnout to scrub new tires?

[Jiggles]

Good to know, I'll warm em up hit some easy twisties and then prepare for my ridiculously long group ride