Dumdum crashes when filtering too fast and wonders who's at fault

[MrAtom]

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[DEFY]

Should take a hint from John Deere: It's not about how fast you mow, but how well you mow fast!

[allanoue]

65% bike 35% car IMO but the law will be on the bikes side unless they see this video

[BDfromBC]

Originally Posted by MrAtom

Link to original page on YouTube.

Where does the rider "wonder who's at fault?" To me it seems he knew he screwed up... He says "Sh!t!" As if he knows he screwed up lol,

The video was uploaded by a website/YouTube profile, that is NOT associated with the rider, they are the ones who ask "who is at fault, what could have been done to prevent this"

People are to quick to assume things... He knew he made a mistake and you can tell by his tone of voice... Yeah he's a dummy for acting in such a manner, but he is not stupid enough to wonder who is at fault...

[choneofakind]

Time to honk = time to brake. Looks to me like another case of too much speed differential increasing risk. The rider should have slowed down while filtering through stopped traffic like that.

Car driver was definitely making a risky move, crossing blind like that. If the rider had only been cruising at 5-10 mph instead of what looks like 25 mph(?), he would have helped himself out a lot.

Still though, hindsight is 20/20. I love the concept of filtering, it just has to be done intelligently. Both parties are at fault here, imho. Glad the rider doesn't seem injured.

[Panda]

When your filtering through stopped traffic it's not only cars you have to look out for it's bikes and pedestrians.

He looked like he was going too fast.

[SLOWn60]

Doh!

[CaliGrrl]

We often see riders filtering up at WAAAY too high a speed. Not smart.

Excessive speed, essentially outdriving your visual ability, is what's dangerous. Filtering through stopped or slow-moving traffic isn't so bad if done at reasonable speeds.

[MrAtom]

Originally Posted by BDfromBC

Where does the rider "wonder who's at fault?" To me it seems he knew he screwed up... He says "Sh!t!" As if he knows he screwed up lol,

The video was uploaded by a website/YouTube profile, that is NOT associated with the rider, they are the ones who ask "who is at fault, what could have been done to prevent this"

People are to quick to assume things... He knew he made a mistake and you can tell by his tone of voice... Yeah he's a dummy for acting in such a manner, but he is not stupid enough to wonder who is at fault...

Actually, this YouTube channel is run by the rider. SubD is a motovlogger. He's mean to his friends and goes interesting places. I like him.

He asks who's at fault in the description of the video.

[BDfromBC]

Originally Posted by MrAtom

Actually, this YouTube channel is run by the rider. SubD is a motovlogger. He's mean to his friends and goes interesting places. I like him.

He asks who's at fault in the description of the video.

Okay, I'm corrected on what noun (website / single person) posted it haha...

But he is not the rider.
It says right in the description...



He's apparently fairly popular, if he posted a video of himself crashing AT FAULT, it would tarnish his image!

[MrAtom]

Originally Posted by BDfromBC

Okay, I'm corrected on what noun (website / single person) posted it haha...

But he is not the rider.
It says right in the description...



He's apparently fairly popular, if he posted a video of himself crashing AT FAULT, it would tarnish his image!

It didn't say that before. I posted this within the hour he uploaded it. I guess there was confusion because that looks an awful lot like his bike. Hmm... I stand corrected.

[verboten1]

There is a loose nut connected to the bars. That's the fault.

[BDfromBC]

Originally Posted by MrAtom

It didn't say that before. I posted this within the hour he uploaded it. I guess there was confusion because that looks an awful lot like his bike. Hmm... I stand corrected.

Haha yeah I didn't think I saw it before either actually, people were probably commenting about him being stupid, but I kind of had a feeling it wasn't him for some reason 😂 But whatever point is, the rider was at fault in the video haha and it sounded to me like the rider knew he screwed up

[akima]

Originally Posted by CaliGrrl

We often see riders filtering up at WAAAY too high a speed. Not smart.

Excessive speed, essentially outdriving your visual ability, is what's dangerous. Filtering through stopped or slow-moving traffic isn't so bad if done at reasonable speeds.

I've filtered going 70mph plenty of times. When I do this, the cars around me are doing just over 60. At these speeds I pick my gaps very carefully: normally I choose a gap which is between 2 directly parallel cars. This massively decreases the chance of a car turning into me. I watch for hazards all around the cars, what's happening up ahead and what the lane discipline of the cars I'm filtering is like.

I've never, so much as had a close call doing this.

Like @choneofakind said: it's largely about speed differential. If the rider has that down, has good awareness of their surroundings and also good bike control, filtering is safe.

Well; there's more to it than that, but those are the fundamentals.

Originally Posted by allanoue

65% bike 35% car IMO but the law will be on the bikes side unless they see this video

Bike 100% IMO. If the bike was in the other, oncoming lane and the car pulled out in front of him that would be different. While filtering between tightly packed, stopped traffic, it can be very difficult for drivers to see you approaching.

Originally Posted by MrAtom

It didn't say that before. I posted this within the hour he uploaded it. I guess there was confusion because that looks an awful lot like his bike. Hmm... I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by BDfromBC

Haha yeah I didn't think I saw it before either actually, people were probably commenting about him being stupid, but I kind of had a feeling it wasn't him for some reason 😂 But whatever point is, the rider was at fault in the video haha and it sounded to me like the rider knew he screwed up

ninjette.org arguments are cute

[MrAtom]

Love you guys

[RacinNinja]

Same color brand and model as his bike but not his bike. It's missing the double bubble windscreen with stickers and the stickers on the gas tank.

Then again, that may be old footage and he's just now releasing it.

Either way, splitting too fast for conditions for sure.

[CaliGrrl]

Originally Posted by akima

I've filtered going 70mph plenty of times. When I do this, the cars around me are doing just over 60. At these speeds I pick my gaps very carefully: normally I choose a gap which is between 2 directly parallel cars. This massively decreases the chance of a car turning into me. I watch for hazards all around the cars, what's happening up ahead and what the lane discipline of the cars I'm filtering is like.

Like you say, speed differential. I'd agree that 70/60 differential is pretty prudent. I wasn't addressing at speed, mostly because the video was slow-ish speed. Still too fast for his conditions, given that he didn't see the car.

Good point about picking parallel cars; they won't be changing lanes if they already see a car there. I haven't done splitting on the freeway yet. I was tempted yesterday, but then traffic opened up and it was fine again.

[csmith12]

Those were nice shoes!!!

[akima]

is there any skill in what he did? Pretty sure I could make that thing get up to 400kmph on a closed road with tons of run-off.

... well... my heart might explode... but I could still do it

Edit: The post I was replying to has disappeared >.<

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Time to honk = time to brake. Looks to me like another case of too much speed differential increasing risk. The rider should have slowed down while filtering through stopped traffic like that.

Car driver was definitely making a risky move, crossing blind like that. If the rider had only been cruising at 5-10 mph instead of what looks like 25 mph(?), he would have helped himself out a lot.

Still though, hindsight is 20/20. I love the concept of filtering, it just has to be done intelligently. Both parties are at fault here, imho. Glad the rider doesn't seem injured.

the car almost did nothing wrong. what it was doing was entirely reasonable. the bike was at 100% fault. he could have easily stopped when he saw the issue. instead he chose to bully his way through by honking in a situation he couldn't be seen but could easily see the car. ego made him think he could just honk at someone and they'll yield to him. ego made him crash.

you avoid this by always presuming you are invisible. honking doesn't help you when you cant be seen or heard. do what will help you. dont hit the car.

[Ghostt]

Some good advice

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