Serious Lean Angle - Page 11

csmith12 · March 10th, 2016, 08:16 AM

This was Feb. 2014 year, but since we are bumping this thread, might as well.

As far as the bike's setup goes, it feels pretty good until you get just a bit lower than this. In this pic, I am doing everything right as a rider, but any further lean causes the front to push or wash out. The front starts to feel wooden, it chatters and pretty much only gives negative feedback. It feels like the hs compression is too tight. On a really good day, the front will not slip at all, but the frame flexes and the bike "humps" around the corner.

Yamahawk · March 11th, 2016, 08:15 PM

I don't hang off much lol... but the VTR250 does lean pretty well, even with an old guy on the seat. The pics don't show any right turn action, but the belly pan is shaved an 1 1/2" on the right, so it was leaning pretty far... This was on 125GP size tires, 115/70-17 rear Pirelli slick and 100\70-17 front. The rims are 2.5" front and 3" rear, and the bike likes those Pirelli Superbike Diablo slicks.

jkv45 · March 12th, 2016, 07:36 AM

Got any more pix of the VTR? Always liked those - except the paint job of course. There was one for sale around here not long ago, but not that great of condition and a bit too much. I figure if I got one I'd have to do a complete paint job in order to be seen riding it.

You should start a new thread in the "Ex-Ninjette Lair" to show it off and let us know how it does against the Ninjas on the track. The members here have a taste for unusual small bikes, judging from the interest in the Derbi GPR thread that I posted in that section. I'm sure they would enjoy seeing and hearing more about your VTR.

Yamahawk · March 12th, 2016, 12:45 PM

I actually have a bunch of pics from Nelson Ledges, and a few from when I first got it and ran it at Pitt Race with the stock everything, including the Cheng Shin tires, which slid out the bak end rather well... The 89 VTR250 handles extremely well, and can keep up with the modern CBR300's and EX300 Ninja'a well. Here is a pic of me and Gray Ray in the Oak Tree, coming into the Carousel... and the Pitt Race!

allanoue · April 18th, 2016, 05:01 PM

@M42 looking for here?

M42 · April 18th, 2016, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanoue

@M42 looking for here?

No, not enough sick leans

RacinNinja · April 18th, 2016, 06:20 PM

Credit to my wife, who took each of these. Getting to be a good photog!!

top o the hill

This is a fast corner. Top gear, balls out, 100+ on the old girl.

And one more turning left this time.

adouglas · April 19th, 2016, 05:26 AM

Vintage race bikes are hawt.

Funny thing... the older you get, the more you like old stuff. It's strange.

RacinNinja · April 19th, 2016, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adouglas

Vintage race bikes are hawt.

Funny thing... the older you get, the more you like old stuff. It's strange.

I'm in my mid 30's.....HA!

They're so simple, raw and mechanical. It's the only way I can describe it.

bruce71198 · April 22nd, 2016, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adouglas

Vintage race bikes are hawt.

Funny thing... the older you get, the more you like old stuff. It's strange.

Maybe its because the new stuff we liked when we where young is now old stuff?

SLOWn60 · April 22nd, 2016, 03:58 PM

Yours truly demonstrating some serious knee down, backing it in lean angle.

choneofakind · April 22nd, 2016, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

This picture though!!! Fantastic.

toEleven · April 24th, 2016, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLOWn60

Yours truly demonstrating some serious knee down, backing it in lean angle.

I managed about the same at my first supermoto day (last week)

. No photos though

SLOWn60 · April 24th, 2016, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toEleven

I managed about the same at my first supermoto day (last week)

. No photos though

It's great, cheap racing! I just sucked in the dirt section!

Sirref · May 5th, 2016, 07:28 AM

oh it feels so good to be back

APEmike · May 5th, 2016, 09:09 AM

Wow! That looks like a blast!

csmith12 · May 5th, 2016, 09:12 AM

Gunna drag an elbow soon aye Ben?

Sirref · May 5th, 2016, 10:28 AM

I'm not trying too hard for it but it'll happen soon enough on its own

I wasn't even the lowest of the weekend and I couldn't match the front pack so I'm working on that first

RacinNinja · May 5th, 2016, 10:32 AM

That's gettin' er done! Fantastic!!

Ninja Ready To Race · May 6th, 2016, 05:54 AM

Had a blast last weekend racing my 300 with Team Pro-Motion.

choneofakind · May 7th, 2016, 08:15 AM

Badass, Ben!

cadd · May 17th, 2016, 10:38 PM

Link to original page on YouTube.

jkv45 · June 22nd, 2016, 03:19 PM

Some technical info about lean angle, and what effects it -

http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-ext...src=syn#page-3

There was some discussion about tire size, center of gravity, etc in another thread a while back, and I was looking for this article but couldn't find it until now. Now I can't find the dang thread...

tgold · June 23rd, 2016, 05:34 AM

I saw a guy out on a KTM390 in practice last Friday and he had some pretty good lean angle going on. His body position also looked great according to the prevailing wisdom. I (with my relatively crappy body position) went out, passed him and left him behind without too much trouble. After that I decided to hang off a little bit more going through a long sweeper and I found that with me off the bike a little more and the bike a little more upright, it would finish the corner easier and wouldn't want to run wide. However, I've also found that an exagerrated lean and or hanging off wastes time and energy while getting back up and centered on the bike during corner exit.
What is my point? IMO the focus should not be so much on lean angle (or body position for that matter) or any one thing. There are many other things that we have to do to get ourselves around the racetrack faster. Yes, we can take time to work on particular things but when it comes down to it the focus should not be on what gets you around a particular corner fastest. The focus should be on what gets you around the racetrack faster as a whole. IMO that is what the term racecraft means.

Btw, I don't buy the tire width thing as a factor in lean angle. Watching one Moto3 race will illustrate that pretty clearly.

sharky nrk · June 23rd, 2016, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgold

I saw a guy out on a KTM390 in practice last Friday and he had some pretty good lean angle going on. His body position also looked great according to the prevailing wisdom. I (with my relatively crappy body position) went out, passed him and left him behind without too much trouble. After that I decided to hang off a little bit more going through a long sweeper and I found that with me off the bike a little more and the bike a little more upright, it would finish the corner easier and wouldn't want to run wide. However, I've also found that an exagerrated lean and or hanging off wastes time and energy while getting back up and centered on the bike during corner exit.
What is my point? IMO the focus should not be so much on lean angle (or body position for that matter) or any one thing. There are many other things that we have to do to get ourselves around the racetrack faster. Yes, we can take time to work on particular things but when it comes down to it the focus should not be on what gets you around a particular corner fastest. The focus should be on what gets you around the racetrack faster as a whole. IMO that is what the term racecraft means.

Btw, I don't buy the tire width thing as a factor in lean angle. Watching one Moto3 race will illustrate that pretty clearly.

Lots of good stuff in this post. Looking "fast" doesn't always mean going fast.

. In reality you want to use the least amount of lean angle possible to maintain your desired line and your desired speed. It just so happens that in general as speed increases, forces increase acting to push the bike outward, and the geometry of the biked/rider (lean angle being a part of this) needs to compensate to have the resultant forces acting on the tire. But your point is definitely valid.

And an interesting point about tire width. The only real tire width (in reality shape is a better term) that matters is the contact patch meeting the surface of the track.

But everyone likes to look good too...........lol

Harpman28 · June 29th, 2016, 08:54 PM

Pregen action from this past weekend.

Misti · July 5th, 2016, 09:11 PM

This is from a recent mini race at Greg Moore Raceway, Chilliwack BC. I'm riding a Honda GROM in the "GROM PRIX" Clearly it needs some rear-sets

RaceBikeRentals · July 9th, 2016, 03:56 PM

Fun with my CRF450R sumo:

Sirref · July 25th, 2016, 09:44 PM

Not a picture but it does show some good lean between me and @jBazz

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/05i5k98b7...4+15.37.22.mp4

edit: adding a picture of me being "light on the bars" (pic credit thanks to @jBazz)

Sirref · October 24th, 2016, 09:21 PM

End of season thread revival, lets see your best pics!
One from last weekend

strickcharles5 · May 4th, 2017, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

I have been thinking about creating this thread for a long time. Now that I am setting up a 250 for pure track/race, I am even more interested in how far you can lean a 250 over without hard parts dragging enough to cause a real problem.

We all have seen bigger bikes with stupid max lean angle but I haven't see many 250's leaned over quite that far. Main question is, what would you have to do to a 250 to get it leaned over as far as the bigger bikes.

So post any pics you got and put in a few notes about the mods made to the bike to get it over that far.

Here is a example pic.

Ive had my 250 so far over the foot peg touched the ground and I assume I could have taken that off and leaned almost all the way over and rode it like that.

taz · May 5th, 2017, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strickcharles5

ive had my 250 so far over the foot peg touched the ground and i assume i could have taken that off and leaned almost all the way over and rode it like that.

touching the foot peg on a pregen is a common thing get them pegs raised up and back

Sirref · May 17th, 2017, 09:44 AM

Thread revival time, tracks are heating up so it's time to get low

DannoXYZ · May 17th, 2017, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taz

touching the foot peg on a pregen is a common thing get them pegs raised up and back

Or switch out for some folding pegs.

taz · May 17th, 2017, 02:07 PM

Stock ones do fold but still getting them up helps alot

Sirref · May 17th, 2017, 11:05 PM

With the older 250 you also have to worry about the exhaust and kickstand dragging after you raise the pegs. If youre dragging the best solution is to lower your body positioning to increase available lean angle

adouglas · May 18th, 2017, 05:37 AM

Ben, does the 300 also drag the kickstand?

A track buddy is thinking of getting a little bike for rain duty and general fun. He's looking at the usual suspects... RC390, R3... I was talking to him about how cool the Ninjette is but didn't mention the kickstand thing.

Zaph42 · May 18th, 2017, 06:10 AM

Here's a little story about larger guys at the race track. The pic I have in my avatar, riding my street 675R at a track day. (my 300 was my race bike) I'm about 220 lbs and 5'-10". (or was, dropped 20 lbs recently)

I might be getting closer to getting an elbow down if my big gut wasn't in the way for proper form. I can only get down so far.

I do have to laugh at some pictures though, with guys grabbing the very end of the bars with their thumb and forefinger just to be able to get an elbow down while their bikes are still only getting about a 45 degree lean angle.

Sirref · May 18th, 2017, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adouglas

Ben, does the 300 also drag the kickstand?

A track buddy is thinking of getting a little bike for rain duty and general fun. He's looking at the usual suspects... RC390, R3... I was talking to him about how cool the Ninjette is but didn't mention the kickstand thing.

The kickstand on the ninja 300 was repositioned so it wouldn't drag, the footpegs and exhaust drag long before it

R3 isn't as lucky, the kickstand mount, like the ninja 250, will catch on the ground

I'm not aware of how the ktm is set up in this respect

GregS · May 18th, 2017, 07:43 PM

I chopped my 300 kickstand mount off anyway - just to be sure

March 10th, 2016, 08:16 AM	#401
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	This was Feb. 2014 year, but since we are bumping this thread, might as well. As far as the bike's setup goes, it feels pretty good until you get just a bit lower than this. In this pic, I am doing everything right as a rider, but any further lean causes the front to push or wash out. The front starts to feel wooden, it chatters and pretty much only gives negative feedback. It feels like the hs compression is too tight. On a really good day, the front will not slip at all, but the frame flexes and the bike "humps" around the corner. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School
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April 18th, 2016, 05:01 PM	#405
allanoue ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Al Location: York, Pa Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300..............2008 Ninja 500-sold...2009 Ninja 250-Crashed Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '14	@M42 looking for here? __________________________________________________ Keep calm and ride on -Motofool Never quit on a rainy day -ally99

April 18th, 2016, 06:20 PM	#407
RacinNinja Vintage Screwball Name: B Location: Washington Join Date: Feb 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250, 2008 Ninja 250, 2019 KTM 1290SDR, 2017 FZ10 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '16	Credit to my wife, who took each of these. Getting to be a good photog!! top o the hill This is a fast corner. Top gear, balls out, 100+ on the old girl. And one more turning left this time. __________________________________________________ Goin' fast on slow bikes!
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April 19th, 2016, 05:26 AM	#408
adouglas Cat herder Name: Gort Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 6 MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13	Vintage race bikes are hawt. Funny thing... the older you get, the more you like old stuff. It's strange. __________________________________________________ I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12 Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est. Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.

May 5th, 2016, 07:28 AM	#415
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	oh it feels so good to be back __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?
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March 12th, 2016, 07:36 AM	#403
jkv45 Rev Limiter Name: Jay Location: WI Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): '06 SV650n, '00 Derbi GPR, '64 CA77 Dream 305, '70 CL450 Scrambler, numerous dirt bikes Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jun '18, Oct '16	Got any more pix of the VTR? Always liked those - except the paint job of course. There was one for sale around here not long ago, but not that great of condition and a bit too much. I figure if I got one I'd have to do a complete paint job in order to be seen riding it. You should start a new thread in the "Ex-Ninjette Lair" to show it off and let us know how it does against the Ninjas on the track. The members here have a taste for unusual small bikes, judging from the interest in the Derbi GPR thread that I posted in that section. I'm sure they would enjoy seeing and hearing more about your VTR.

May 5th, 2016, 09:09 AM	#416
APEmike ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: Tehachapi, CA Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 Posts: 160	Wow! That looks like a blast! __________________________________________________ I ride because therapy is too expensive, and less fun.

May 5th, 2016, 09:12 AM	#417
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Gunna drag an elbow soon aye Ben? __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School
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May 5th, 2016, 10:28 AM	#418
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	I'm not trying too hard for it but it'll happen soon enough on its own I wasn't even the lowest of the weekend and I couldn't match the front pack so I'm working on that first __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?

May 5th, 2016, 10:32 AM	#419
RacinNinja Vintage Screwball Name: B Location: Washington Join Date: Feb 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250, 2008 Ninja 250, 2019 KTM 1290SDR, 2017 FZ10 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '16	That's gettin' er done! Fantastic!! __________________________________________________ Goin' fast on slow bikes!

May 7th, 2016, 08:15 AM	#421
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Badass, Ben!

May 17th, 2016, 10:38 PM	#422
cadd cadd cadd cadd Name: Cadd Location: 41°21'13.1"N, 74°41'37.4"W Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 300 Posts: A lot. MOTM - May '15	Link to original page on YouTube. __________________________________________________ Riding it like I financed it.

June 22nd, 2016, 03:19 PM	#423
jkv45 Rev Limiter Name: Jay Location: WI Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): '06 SV650n, '00 Derbi GPR, '64 CA77 Dream 305, '70 CL450 Scrambler, numerous dirt bikes Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jun '18, Oct '16	Some technical info about lean angle, and what effects it - http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-ext...src=syn#page-3 There was some discussion about tire size, center of gravity, etc in another thread a while back, and I was looking for this article but couldn't find it until now. Now I can't find the dang thread...

June 23rd, 2016, 05:34 AM	#424
tgold ninjette.org sage Name: Timm Location: West Seneca, NY Join Date: Oct 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2006 1050 Speed Triple, 2010 250 Ninja racebike, YZF320RR? Racebike Posts: 556 MOTM - Nov '15	I saw a guy out on a KTM390 in practice last Friday and he had some pretty good lean angle going on. His body position also looked great according to the prevailing wisdom. I (with my relatively crappy body position) went out, passed him and left him behind without too much trouble. After that I decided to hang off a little bit more going through a long sweeper and I found that with me off the bike a little more and the bike a little more upright, it would finish the corner easier and wouldn't want to run wide. However, I've also found that an exagerrated lean and or hanging off wastes time and energy while getting back up and centered on the bike during corner exit. What is my point? IMO the focus should not be so much on lean angle (or body position for that matter) or any one thing. There are many other things that we have to do to get ourselves around the racetrack faster. Yes, we can take time to work on particular things but when it comes down to it the focus should not be on what gets you around a particular corner fastest. The focus should be on what gets you around the racetrack faster as a whole. IMO that is what the term racecraft means. Btw, I don't buy the tire width thing as a factor in lean angle. Watching one Moto3 race will illustrate that pretty clearly.

July 25th, 2016, 09:44 PM	#429
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	Not a picture but it does show some good lean between me and @jBazz https://www.dropbox.com/sh/05i5k98b7...4+15.37.22.mp4 edit: adding a picture of me being "light on the bars" (pic credit thanks to @jBazz) __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see? Last futzed with by Sirref; July 26th, 2016 at 07:41 AM.

May 17th, 2017, 02:07 PM	#435
taz ???????????????? Name: T Location: no where Join Date: Feb 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2007 ninja 250, 14 ninja 300, 09 1125CR Posts: A lot. MOTM - May '17	Stock ones do fold but still getting them up helps alot

May 17th, 2017, 11:05 PM	#436
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	With the older 250 you also have to worry about the exhaust and kickstand dragging after you raise the pegs. If youre dragging the best solution is to lower your body positioning to increase available lean angle __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?

May 18th, 2017, 05:37 AM	#437
adouglas Cat herder Name: Gort Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 6 MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13	Ben, does the 300 also drag the kickstand? A track buddy is thinking of getting a little bike for rain duty and general fun. He's looking at the usual suspects... RC390, R3... I was talking to him about how cool the Ninjette is but didn't mention the kickstand thing. __________________________________________________ I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12 Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est. Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.

May 18th, 2017, 06:10 AM	#438
Zaph42 ninjette.org sage Name: John Location: Appleton, WI Join Date: Apr 2015 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300 (race), Ninja 1000 (road) Posts: 504	Here's a little story about larger guys at the race track. The pic I have in my avatar, riding my street 675R at a track day. (my 300 was my race bike) I'm about 220 lbs and 5'-10". (or was, dropped 20 lbs recently) I might be getting closer to getting an elbow down if my big gut wasn't in the way for proper form. I can only get down so far. I do have to laugh at some pictures though, with guys grabbing the very end of the bars with their thumb and forefinger just to be able to get an elbow down while their bikes are still only getting about a 45 degree lean angle. __________________________________________________ Ninja 300 - CCS Ultralight Thunderbike Racing I want to "like" your post but I can't due to forum rules. Sorry. Last futzed with by Zaph42; May 24th, 2017 at 04:41 AM.

May 18th, 2017, 07:43 PM	#440
GregS ninjette.org member Name: Greg Location: San Antonio Join Date: Dec 2014 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, GSXR-750, Ducati M1100 Posts: 185	I chopped my 300 kickstand mount off anyway - just to be sure

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