May 9th, 2012, 05:31 PM | #1 |
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Proper Braking Technique
Well It's been about a week since I've gotten my bike, and I've been out there everyday trying to improve my riding skills. I've been getting pretty comfortable cruising around on the streets, but as I was riding around today a couple issues came up.
1. As I was coming to a quick stop, I thought I pressed on brakes smoothly, but as I grabbed harder, one of my wheels started to skid (not sure which one). I released the brakes and then reapplied quickly and that seemed to solve the problem. After that I was wary of pressing the brakes too hard out of fear that they would lock up again. Am I supposed to press and release repeatedly when coming to a quick stop? or can I hold down the brakes as I was doing? And what's the proper thing to do in a skid? 2. One time I was going around a corner at about 35, and there was a stop sign immediately at the end of the corner. I straightened the bike up and braked, and then continued through to the stop sign slowly. I know braking during a corner is supposed to be avoided at all costs, but what should I do in those situations? If I need to slow down during a corner, is that pretty much the only way (righting the bike and then slowing down)? Thanks for all your help guys. |
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May 9th, 2012, 05:36 PM | #2 |
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1. Rear tire skid: you are supposed to ride it out; front tire skid: release & reapply (gently, not grabbing it). Although, if your rear tire starts to skid & your bike (the tire alignment) is still straight, then letting off & reapplying won't really hurt. The emphasis on riding it out is when your tires are no longer aligned, releasing the rear may cause a high side.
2. That's the best/safest way, if you aren't going very fast or in a sharp turn, then a little back brake won't hurt, however, a sudden stop, you should straighten up and apply the brakes as you said -- I had to do this at a stop light that just turned red around a corner (was going ~50mph) and ended up diagonal in my lane..but I stopped safely :P |
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May 9th, 2012, 05:38 PM | #3 |
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1: More front brake, less rear brake.
2: You can brake in corners, but the amount you can brake is inversely proportional to the lean angle. If you can get up to straight up and down, you can apply full braking power. If you are leaned over any amount, the further over you are leaning, the less and less brakes would be useful, and at some point you exceed the available traction (and crash). Sounds like what you did worked fine. People get into trouble when they realize while in a corner they are going too quickly, and then add brake while in the corner to try and slow down; that's where it doesn't end well if & when they do exceed available traction.
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May 9th, 2012, 06:28 PM | #5 |
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What about letting off the gas while in a corner and letting the engine slow you down a bit? Does that produce the same effect as braking? or is that more acceptable?
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May 9th, 2012, 06:37 PM | #6 |
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I think that letting off the throttle can cause the rear tire to skid, while cornering. I.e. going from let's say 60% throttle - 0% throttle.
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May 9th, 2012, 07:05 PM | #7 |
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I learned not to brake during a leaning turn, my bike started wobbling. Scary as ****
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Yes, you can brake while cornering but it requires a good feel for your bike. I has taken me 20+ trackdays to where I feel comfortable braking in corners. However there is another solution. Keep your RPMs high (9K+) when entering a corner. Then slowly roll off the throttle to slow down. Some will say it will load your front and cause it to tuck. This only happens if you're close to the max lean angle which does not sound like you were.
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May 9th, 2012, 07:21 PM | #9 |
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I recommend reading this book it answers exactly those questions and many more
Proficient Motorcycling A Guide to Riding Well Go buy ,borrow this book there is a pdf available on the net but its better to have the book in your hand and the author makes his money lol
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However, downshifting during a corner and not matching revs will cause a rear tire skid and a prompt change of underwear. Jeff
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May 9th, 2012, 07:36 PM | #12 |
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yea engine breaking is great if you are going straight
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May 9th, 2012, 07:37 PM | #13 |
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I realized "slowly" is the wrong term. "Smoothly" is better.
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do you turn in while engine braking? is that after you are done with most of your braking? are you still on the front brakes when you are turning in? when do you down shift, before during or after the main braking? and when dropping multiple gears, do you do all of them on a single clutch pull, or do you do them seperately, ie- drop a gear, blip, engage, drop another gear, blip, engage, go sorry too many questions.
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May 10th, 2012, 07:39 AM | #17 |
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There is so much information on braking that I doubt all of it can be covered here, but it's a good start. Along with the info others have mentioned (and the Sticky Thread), there are also 21 Articles on Braking and two volumes of books on Motorcycle Safety and Dynamics from the Master Strategy Group, that may also be helpful.
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This my two cents, everyone is different and there is no one right way. I'm not the fastest but I'm slowly getting faster.
Yes, usually for decreasing radius turns. I'm not comfortable downshifting during the turn so I need to be at the highest RPM entering the turn. T16 CW. I come out of T15 in fifth gear. At T16, I downshift to fourth, then trail brake into the turn. So downshift then brake. T6-7 CW or T5-4 CCW. The second turns are decreasing radius. So for the first turn, I go half throttle to the apex, then pin it to the tiger's teeth. At the TT, I go zero throttle and tighten the turn to the second apex then roll on. Once I was carrying too much speed, I felt the front starting to give so I learned where my limits are. Most of the time expect for T9. I don't push my luck there. Depends on the turn. Either before or during but not after. Quote:
Just a little about my downshifting technique I learned from the Pridmore Star school. (I'm a big fan of Pridmore!) Previously, I'd pull the clutch/reduce throttle, down shift, release clutch/apply throttle. At the Star school, he teaches to use the throttle to match the RPMs on the down shift. Lets say I need to downshift. Keep the throttle steady, but very quickly pull the clutch, downshift, release the clutch. The speed at which you pull and release the clutch depends on the throttle position. WOT= very fast pull/release. 1/4 WOT = not so fast. I'm still practicing it to get it smooth. The stuff above isn't just for the track. I finally got my second Ninja 250 running and decided to take it for a midnight run last week. One turn was a little too fast but because my RPM were high entering the turn, I just rolled off the throttle and my line naturally tightened.
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May 10th, 2012, 12:02 PM | #19 |
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about pridmores downshifting... is that for only second and third corners? or coming out of corners right? for example you wouldnt use that coming down a straight like the back straight going CCW into 10/9/8 would you? you are topped out in 5th on the back straight right? so coming into the back straight you would drop 2 gears right before the tiger teeth, then start braking hard at the TT? or would yoou be dropping them while hard on the brakes? the braking zone before 10/9/8 is easily my worst area.
i think what i usually wind up doing is braking not nearly hard enough between second and third markers before the tiger teeth and downshifting at the same time... i think i need to downshift and then get on the brakes hard and trail off into the turn in but i always screw it up
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May 10th, 2012, 12:35 PM | #20 |
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Well a lot of the Pridmore stuff is geared towards 600cc+ bikes. So they'll only be downshifting one gear.
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May 12th, 2012, 03:23 PM | #22 |
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It sounds like this thread has evolved from simple braking to braking/cornering techniques. This is my favorite thread on this site and will give you TONS of great, experience information.
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...ight=cornering
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I second that motion.
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on the 250, theres so much engine braking you hardly need to use the brakes when trailing in
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Then go faster!!!!
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Only works if you enter the corner at an appropriate speed. Only gonna help you hit the wall faster if you went in too hot.
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