January 26th, 2016, 05:26 AM | #121 | |
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Just to be clear about "removing" brackets. The WERA rulebook is very specific about what removed means: "REMOVED is defined as unbolted - not cut off" That means no cutting off of unneeded brackets from the frame. Also, at the very bottom of the superstock section of the WERA rulebook is a catch-all rule. It says this: "The items above constitute the entire realm of deviation from showroom stock for Superstock classes. If it does not mention you CAN do it, you CAN NOT." This means that your reservoir delete mod is illegal for F Superstock. |
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January 26th, 2016, 05:41 AM | #122 |
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January 26th, 2016, 06:59 AM | #123 |
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I'm really pinched on money otherwise I would be there.
@tgold Some bikes were running them in Stock classes last year. I'll ask on the WERA form |
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January 26th, 2016, 07:04 AM | #124 | |
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and yes, please get a ruling on this. |
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January 26th, 2016, 08:09 AM | #125 |
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January 26th, 2016, 08:29 AM | #126 |
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I don't want to sound all preachy, but...
The rules are pretty clear. Not that I think that that one modification is going to be the deciding factor in the finishing order, but allowing this sort of bending of the rules just makes the definition of legal more murky. It then begs the question: At what point is it not ok, and then considered cheating? Takes it from being a clear rule and turns it into an opinion. Sure, on the WERA board you will get lots of people saying that they don't care and: "I wouldn't protest you for that.", But unless you hear it from Mongo himself that it is ok, I wouldn't do it, because it may come back to bite you. And then, when I'm your competitor and I can see that you've done something to your bike that is clearly not allowed, am I to assume that that is the only thing that you've done to your bike that is outside the rules? I'm not throwing stones, but IMHO, it's not worth sowing seeds of doubt about the legality of your bike and the possible protest/disqualification. |
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January 26th, 2016, 08:44 AM | #128 | |
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In other words; "rule hawks" irritate the crap out of me. |
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January 26th, 2016, 08:44 AM | #129 | |
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January 26th, 2016, 09:22 AM | #131 |
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January 26th, 2016, 09:34 AM | #132 |
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I got DQ'd at the GNF, out of 2nd place ESS, 2014, for not having the backfire screen in my airbox. Wondering where it went I headed back to the pits to find it sitting in the top of my tool box. Probably not an issue during the season but a problem at the GNF.
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January 26th, 2016, 09:37 AM | #133 |
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Theres a vast difference among the racing orgs. 250 classes, CCS runs Thunderbike rules, WERA strict SS rules if running FSS, MCRA seems to be a free for all.
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January 26th, 2016, 09:50 AM | #134 | |
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FWIW, I've never protested anyone in 30+ years of racing, and I wouldn't do it for something that is in my opinion trivial. I can also tell you that I would have no trouble protesting someone for something that provided an unfair advantage. I enjoy racing immensely and am in the 250 class because it's a lot of fun and I really have a great time with the 250 crew in Moto Series. A very friendly "Here: take my bike and race it" bunch of guys and gals. I seriously doubt that the issue would come up for us, but if it were to, I would try to work out an issue person to person in the friendliest manner possible long before ever going some sort of official route. |
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January 26th, 2016, 09:57 AM | #135 |
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Funny question, If I want to clean my Pistons in the calipers at some point through the season, do I need new seals every time I do it?
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January 26th, 2016, 12:06 PM | #136 |
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It would be a good idea. The seals are what retract the piston into the caliper. Excess heat hardens them and makes them less effective.
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January 27th, 2016, 02:23 PM | #137 | |
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January 27th, 2016, 02:28 PM | #138 |
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Here's an article from Dragbike.com that has some info about the effects of aerodynamics on speeds, listing top speeds of the same bike with and without fairings at Loring. Conditions were not the best, with significant crossing headwinds.
http://www.dragbike.com/racings-ups-...t-from-loring/ A ZX6R with fairings went 182.3283 mph and 186.7727 mph at the 1.5 mile. Same bike without fairings went 173.1655 mph in the 1 mile and 172.6979 mph in the 1.5 mile. Difference was about 9 MPH or 5.5% in the 1 mile runs. A Ninja 250 with fairings went 104.7867 mph on the mile and 105.2185 mph on the 1.5 mile. Same Ninja without fairings ran 99.7151 mph on the mile and 99.3123 mph on the 1.5 mile. Difference was about 5 MPH or 5.5% in the 1 mile runs. Both naked bikes were faster at the 1 mile mark than at the 1.5 mile mark. With fairings they were both faster at 1.5 miles. Both had large aero front fenders at all times. Interesting reading. I had been looking for a direct comparison of speeds with and without fairings, but up to this point hadn't found one. |
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January 27th, 2016, 03:21 PM | #139 |
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Sure thing Kalle!
Many of the quotes from very talented riders are based on certain fundamentals already being in place. Such as a well setup suspension on their bike, good tires, well fitting gear, ect.. ect.. I can only assume that K. Code's quote above is also based on those same assumptions. Getting the hard parts required to get the bike stable in the corner is kinda one of those given fundamentals imho. Does it have to be 100% perfect? Nah, but hopefully pretty darn close and the closer to 100%, the better. We smile more when our bikes to not fight what we are asking it to do.
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January 30th, 2016, 08:56 AM | #140 |
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I might be going slow because cylinder one has 30psi. Checking valve lash now...
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February 11th, 2016, 01:23 PM | #141 | ||
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February 21st, 2016, 10:06 AM | #142 |
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February 21st, 2016, 01:34 PM | #143 |
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Yes they are. They are definitely not bolt on. Lots of custom brackets and fabrication. I had to lower the clip-ons to a point that I think is to low. Also had to fabricate a subframe under the seat which is at the wrong angle in the picture. I think I'm going to use the ninja 250 bodywork next season.
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February 23rd, 2016, 08:17 AM | #144 |
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Not really a go-fast trick so much as a get-you-back-out-on-the-track trick:
If you are in a spot where you have to work on your brakes at the track and you can't find any new copper crush washers for reassembly, do this: Set the used copper washers on a piece of steel and fire up your propane torch. heat the washers for a few minutes until you see that color-changing effect as you pass the flame back and forth over the copper. Turn off your torch and let the washers cool off by themselves. DO NOT quench them in water. The slow cooling of the washers will anneal the copper and they will seal better when you go to reinstall your brake lines. Now, go spend 5 or 10 minutes asking around in the pits for new washers. If you find some, then great. If you don't, just put in your annealed washers and you'll have a better chance of not having any leaks. |
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March 2nd, 2016, 11:05 PM | #145 |
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March 3rd, 2016, 10:51 PM | #146 |
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Bruce, I know you said you thought the bars were too low, but how much higher than stock is that seat? It looks awfully high, maybe dropping it would take some weight off the front. Did you have a hard time fitting the bike with the stock seat height?
Edit: just read through the whole thread again and see where you say the seat's at the wrong angle. You know, right above here. |
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