January 5th, 2014, 03:09 PM | #1 |
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2009 r6 winter project
So.. there's a lot of things that needed to be fixed and upgraded and after cursing at the bike for hours when we changed the spark plugs we decided the motor was going to come out for the valve adjustment. Forks are getting new fluid. New sprockets and chain. Plastics are being repaired and painted. Adjustments are being made to various cables and what not. Cats were taken out of the exhaust pipe. I'm sure there is some other stuff but that's the gist of it.
Yesterday we stopped right before the engine removal because we didn't have a socket big enough for the sprocket (30mm for those who care). And today we stopped just short of adjusting the valves because the feeler gauge could only go to .203 and we need one that goes down to .1 |
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January 5th, 2014, 03:19 PM | #2 |
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Have the ecu flashed while you got it torn down.
Remove throttle limit Choose a map based on the gas you wanna run Enable the built in quick shifter Make the speedo accurate ect... ect... go go go!
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January 5th, 2014, 03:21 PM | #3 |
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My buddy OhioYj does this. If you send him the ecu lemme know, and I will watch the flash personally.
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January 5th, 2014, 03:26 PM | #5 |
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And I also need to chat with someone about the fork oil and adjustments.
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January 5th, 2014, 04:00 PM | #6 | |
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What questions do you have? There are a few of us "more serious" r6 riders on this forum.
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January 5th, 2014, 04:30 PM | #7 |
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From what I understand the stock oil weight is Yamaha 0wt which is equal to every aftermarket oil 5wt. He had his suspension set up and the low speed compression is 3 clicks and the high speed compression is 2 clicks on the front fork. The tuner said he needed new oil. The question is: Should I put stock 5wt/yam0wt or put 7.5w or even 10wt in them and reset the dials up front.
He doesn't really wheelie. He's ~170lbs with full gear and most of his riding is advanced twisties. When I rode it I felt like the front end dove and didn't stick well in corners. That's what makes me think the weight needs to go up. Or maybe the original oil is that degraded? The rear end feels planted if not a little soft as well. Either way I'd be curious to see what a few other's spec sheets look like because his is all over the place. |
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January 6th, 2014, 03:33 PM | #8 |
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Dang. that's a lot of work for a valve adjustment. haha. I did my valve check over my Christmas break. Just pulled the throttle body assembly and radiator and it was easy.
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January 6th, 2014, 03:40 PM | #9 |
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haha. you took the engine out just to do the valves? pretty funny. sure is easier when the engine's out isn't it? it's a nice bike but those mirrors are hideous.
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January 8th, 2014, 08:49 AM | #10 |
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Valves checked in spec. Next project is to do the fork oil.
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January 8th, 2014, 09:42 AM | #11 |
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Suspension can be a moving target sometimes. As the rider's wants and needs from the bike changes over time. At 170lbs, I would say to stick with the stock oil weight unless there are some custom valves installed or future plans to race.
What are his preferred sag numbers and do you think they need to be changed? If a 250 rider thinks the forks dive and the owner/rider agrees, then it sounds like the sag measures can go a bit tighter, ie add more preload. Different riders might shoot for different numbers even on identical bikes. What are the preload lines set at? For example, mine are at 3 for spirited paced street rides and track time. So 2 clicks out on the low speed seems ok. How many turns out on the high speed (12mm nut)? There are no clicks on the high speed, just have to count turns. This is most likely what you need to adjust (assuming your preload is good).
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January 8th, 2014, 09:53 AM | #12 |
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Remember to write your current settings down before changing anything.
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January 8th, 2014, 10:09 AM | #13 |
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It was originally set up by a professional. Settings are written down. 31mm sag 15 turns on the high speed.
It feels iffy in the corners and nose dives like a mofo My 250 with RaceTech and new fork oil felt much better than this thing does. I'm hesitant to move it up to 10wt oil because he really doesn't ride the bike really hard right now. When he starts going to the track (trying to convince him to get a 250 for the track instead) I might move him to 10wt oil. He's also losing weight which makes me want to stay with 5wt. Not that it is hard to change if we need to. Either way the bike is set up to what seems to be common settings for his weight and I feel like it is very plush (I weigh a tad less than he does). I'm at a loss. |
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January 8th, 2014, 10:12 AM | #14 |
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WTF 15!!! 15 full turns or quarter turns? If they are full turns there is your problem. lol
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January 8th, 2014, 10:15 AM | #15 |
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That would make sense. No sense getting beat to death, so let the suspension eat up all those bumps. My setup is a bit rough at a street pace but is butta smuve at track pace.
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January 8th, 2014, 10:17 AM | #16 |
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January 8th, 2014, 10:22 AM | #17 |
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January 8th, 2014, 10:39 AM | #18 |
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I will have to dig up my paperwork or recheck everything. But I did run out and check my high and low speed settings on the forks.
Low speed - 4 clicks out High speed - 2 turns out (complete revolutions of the 12mm nut) Dayummmm... it's cold in my garage.
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January 8th, 2014, 10:41 AM | #19 |
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How many miles are on the bike? Might just need new oil. If the oils dark, then it's time for an oil change.
How much suspension travel you are using? Back off the high speed compression and see how it feels.
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January 8th, 2014, 10:45 AM | #20 |
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Thanks Chris. When I get home I'll double check everything.
The roads here are smoother than some track surfaces. I'll measure how much of the travel is being used. I want to say there is 3-4 inches at the bottom. Once again, I'll double check everything in a few hours. |
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January 8th, 2014, 10:59 AM | #21 |
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3-4 inches at the bottom? Yep, he rides her easy.
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January 8th, 2014, 03:59 PM | #22 |
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Sag: (Front 34) (Rear 31)
Compression: (Front High 2) (Front Low 3) (Rear High 2.5) (Rear Low 13) Rebound: (Front 10) (Rear 7) Travel: (1.5" left at bottom) |
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January 8th, 2014, 04:09 PM | #23 |
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How many lines of front preload?
Rider depending... those settings are within "go real fast" range. Is it safe to assume that the oil wasn't checked when the baseline was done a while bike? Let's see what the oil looks like, change it out if needed and kinda go from there. I will hit my garage to find my paperwork or recheck everything and write it down, again.... lol
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January 9th, 2014, 07:06 AM | #24 |
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Ugh. I guess I'll have to check the preload tonight and the oil as well.
They may very well in the "go fast" settings but it feels scary when you are going fast, especially if you have to stop at any point in time. He doesn't really care how it feels but I tend to like a much stiffer ride. Suck it up Chris it's supposed to be "warm" today. haha |
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January 9th, 2014, 07:30 AM | #25 |
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Heading to the garage in about an hour. In the mean time, give this a quick read. It gets straight to the point without a lot of fluff. The only thing it kinda leaves out is rear rebound in the braking zone.
A thing that I learned when doing suspension setups is that sometimes multiple/compound adjustments need to be made to achieve the "feel" a rider is after but nearly everything I read said to only change one thing at a time. So I got a workbook and kept a running log of changes. Here is an example; 8/15/2010 - Front: Preload=2, HSC=3, LSC=4, RE=10 Rear: No Change (initial settings) 8/19/2010 - Front: Preload=2, HSC=2, LSC=3, RE=12 Rear: No Change (felt mushy while hard on brakes, not planted on corner entry) 8/20/2010 - Front: Preload=3, HSC=3, LSC=2, RE=12 Rear: No Change (felt better on entry, still not quite) 9/15/2010 - Front: Preload=3, HSC=3, LSC=4, RE=12 Rear: No Change (felt even better on entry, just a bit of dive on initial bite of brakes) 9/15/2010 - Front: Preload=3, HSC=2, LSC=4, RE=12 Rear: No Change (dats da spot! but rear chatters a bit, needs a bit more rebound) Doing it like this allows you to return to any time/spot in your adjustments.
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January 9th, 2014, 11:34 AM | #27 |
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January 9th, 2014, 12:16 PM | #28 |
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Sorry, just havin' a bit of fun.
Anyway, went out to the garage like I promised. Here are my complete settings. Front: OEM Forks Sag: 35mm Preload: 3 lines Rebound: 7 clicks out Low speed - 4 clicks out High speed - 2 turns out NOTE MY OEM SHOCK IS DIFFERENT THAN YOURS, in respect to the high and low speed compression adjusters Rear: OEM Shock Sag: 27mm Ramp Preload: Topped out Rebound: 7 clicks out Low speed: 15 clicks out High speed: 7 clicks out (right at 2 turns)
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January 9th, 2014, 12:20 PM | #29 |
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Oh, on stock weight oil too. 195lbs (give or take a few lbs) fully geared.
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January 9th, 2014, 12:30 PM | #30 |
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haha get on your knees and check those settings!
Thanks for checking those settings. On first look they look similarishly closeish to his settings. Also I think I'm going to refer to it as my r6 because I do all the work on it and I like it. Anywho you weigh a wee bit more so I suspect the settings should be different. Signs are pointing back to bad oil so I had him pick up some for oil for my r6 on his way over. I guess we will be doing fork fluid tonight. w00t |
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Claim that bike! Also, even though my weight is a bit more. 20lbs or so isn't gunna effect the settings all that much. It's much more about corner speed and how aggressive you are with the brakes and throttle. Those forces are much more than the 20 or so lbs. Another MAJOR factor is tire pressure but we will get to that later but +1 on the Michelin/Yami combo. There isn't much better.
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Headed home here in a bit. Got a report that my YZ was wrecked a couple of times... friggin friends.. I'll get to the r6 suspension and report the oil condition. |
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January 9th, 2014, 04:25 PM | #33 |
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You will hear no physics from me young lady. This is about as close to physics as I get.
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^^ Totally legit. No physics lectures from my corners on that one.
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January 11th, 2014, 04:31 PM | #35 |
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January 12th, 2014, 09:36 AM | #36 |
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Hopefully fresh oil will make the front feel better. May make the rear feel even worse though. Watcha gunna do if that is the case?
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January 12th, 2014, 11:47 AM | #37 |
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Since it's not my money to spend.... Penske!!
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January 13th, 2014, 09:42 AM | #38 |
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Putting her back together. Honestly it was easier to put the engine back in than I thought it would be. We basically put the engine on a cart and lowered the frame onto the engine. Repacked the bearings. Cleaned as we went along. The rearsets are being painted and the exhaust was painted. We also added an LED in the front thing (I don't know what it is called).
The main things we are waiting on are: front tire chain sprockets ECU plastics Pretty excited to see this gal taking shape again. Hopefully it starts on the first try and the suspension feels better with this new oil in it. |
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January 13th, 2014, 02:11 PM | #39 |
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Cool progress! What oil did you go with?
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Ended up using Bel Ray 5wt. Guess I'll see how it goes. I guess if we need to we can change it. I've gotten pretty good at taking this thing apart and putting it back together.
I should be tearing into my 250 soon. In between I'm supposed to be working on an '06 636 track bike. I should start a shop... |
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