250 vs 300 on track

bruce71198 · June 6th, 2014, 08:09 AM

Has any one gone head to head on a 250 against a 300? I seemed to have no problem overtaking a 300 down the straight at Blackhawk Farms a couple of weeks ago. My bike 28.6 hp his piped and tuned (his claim). Thinking I was getting better drive onto the straight I would back off then catch up and pass.

alex.s · June 6th, 2014, 08:12 AM

it's all about getting good drive into the corner. they are indeed faster than a 250. maybe the one you were playing with had issues

csmith12 · June 6th, 2014, 08:19 AM

There is a slight advantage to the 300 on corner exit but nothing that rider skill cannot overcome. I also feel the draft bubble the 300 creates is larger. On a large straight, a 300 should pull on the 250 but other factors still are in play. Rider weight, tuck bla bla bla...

nickjpass · June 6th, 2014, 08:23 AM

Possible he wasn't wot?

alex.s · June 6th, 2014, 08:26 AM

a fully pepped up 250 is faster than stock 300 though.

subxero · June 6th, 2014, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bruce71198

Has any one gone head to head on a 250 against a 300? I seemed to have no problem overtaking a 300 down the straight at Blackhawk Farms a couple of weeks ago. My bike 28.6 hp his piped and tuned (his claim). Thinking I was getting better drive onto the straight I would back off then catch up and pass.

weight?

you done any weight reduction to the 250? or yourself?

I forget what it is something close to 20lbs is comparable to 2hp swing when looking at power:weight ratio

hmmm...i need to quit modding my bike and go on a diet

Worldtraveller · June 6th, 2014, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by subxero

weight?

you done any weight reduction to the 250? or yourself?

I forget what it is something close to 20lbs is comparable to 2hp swing when looking at power:weight ratio

hmmm...i need to quit modding my bike and go on a diet

That's what I did. I dropped from 170 to 155 lb in the last 7 months. Might stay at 155, but I think I can get to 150. It gets harder as I get older, though.

dino74 · June 6th, 2014, 02:21 PM

Check out some of the Super Bike Brasil Videos. They run the 300 and the 250 together. The leaders are always 300s.

Link to original page on YouTube.

mania · June 6th, 2014, 07:36 PM

I own a 2013 Interim model 250 that was sold here in Asia for the first few months of 2013

It is for all intents & purpose the 300 less the parts that increase the stroke
7.8mm or 5/16th inch & the slipper clutch along with the 250 having 28mm throttle bodies vs the 300's 32mm bodies

I was expecting when the 300's came to see a huge diff but in reality they are quite close
But this again is the 2013 FI 250

choneofakind · June 6th, 2014, 07:51 PM

Maybe you're just a better rider than the 250 rider you chased down. Ever consider that?

Aufitt · June 6th, 2014, 11:19 PM

Its not about the bike. (until riders get to lap record pace)

bruce71198 · June 7th, 2014, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by subxero

weight?

you done any weight reduction to the 250? or yourself?

I forget what it is something close to 20lbs is comparable to 2hp swing when looking at power:weight ratio

hmmm...i need to quit modding my bike and go on a diet

Im an old guy, weight is hard to loose. I sit right at 180-185 and 6 feet tall so I'm not out of shape. if I drop any more I feel like crap. I keep removing weight on the bike every chance I get.

bruce71198 · June 7th, 2014, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Maybe you're just a better rider than the 250 rider you chased down. Ever consider that?

He was on the 300. And yes I am

The thing is I would let him get the run down the straight, just to make sure it wasnt because I got a better drive off the corner, then accelerate and pass him.

ally99 · June 24th, 2014, 12:16 PM

First of all, taking my 300 on the track last February only deepened my love for that nimble little bike! It felt so much smoother in corners than my 250 ever did, even on BT-45 street tires. I didn't have to shift as frequently and didn't have a single bogging incident that used to occasionally plague me on the 250 (especially in unfamiliar corners). The 300 falls into corners just as easily as the 250 but has enough power in the lower-RPM range (around 5k) to pull through with no incident. I used to feel if I wasn't around 8k on the 250, there just wasn't the power I craved to pull me through the corner.

BoBO · June 24th, 2014, 01:01 PM

Stock for stock the 300 will pull away on the 250 off the line.However, a pumped up 250 is a different story. I remember running against a 300 of the line a while back, the guy on the 300 was a bit heavier than me. I was about 155 and the other guy must have been 170+, we were about dead even until about the end of the second gear. I was getting ahead little by little nothing fancy. But at the end of the day, I will always pick the 300 over the 250.Why? because it may not be by much, but the 300 is better in every way. I can't wait till Kawi comes out with the new 500R, now that is something to think about.

mgentz · June 24th, 2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bruce71198

Has any one gone head to head on a 250 against a 300? I seemed to have no problem ov. Itaking a 300 down the straight at Blackhawk Farms a couple of weeks ago. My bike 28.6 hp his piped and tuned (his claim). Thinking I was getting better drive onto the straight I would back off then catch up and pass.

I really need to make it out to blackhawk. What track day organization are you using or are you doing race practice? I want to see how i fare.

June 6th, 2014, 08:09 AM	#1
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June 6th, 2014, 08:12 AM	#2
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	it's all about getting good drive into the corner. they are indeed faster than a 250. maybe the one you were playing with had issues __________________________________________________
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June 6th, 2014, 08:19 AM	#3
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	There is a slight advantage to the 300 on corner exit but nothing that rider skill cannot overcome. I also feel the draft bubble the 300 creates is larger. On a large straight, a 300 should pull on the 250 but other factors still are in play. Rider weight, tuck bla bla bla... __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

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June 6th, 2014, 08:26 AM	#5
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	a fully pepped up 250 is faster than stock 300 though. __________________________________________________
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June 6th, 2014, 02:21 PM	#8
dino74 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: dino Location: Oceanside, Ca Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 250 Street, '09 250 Race, '13 300 Race Posts: A lot.	Check out some of the Super Bike Brasil Videos. They run the 300 and the 250 together. The leaders are always 300s. Link to original page on YouTube. __________________________________________________ CVMA #55
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June 6th, 2014, 07:36 PM	#9
mania ninjette.org member Name: mania Location: Asia Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 250 Posts: 242	I own a 2013 Interim model 250 that was sold here in Asia for the first few months of 2013 It is for all intents & purpose the 300 less the parts that increase the stroke 7.8mm or 5/16th inch & the slipper clutch along with the 250 having 28mm throttle bodies vs the 300's 32mm bodies I was expecting when the 300's came to see a huge diff but in reality they are quite close But this again is the 2013 FI 250

June 6th, 2014, 07:51 PM	#10
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Maybe you're just a better rider than the 250 rider you chased down. Ever consider that?

June 6th, 2014, 11:19 PM	#11
Aufitt The A Team Name: Aufitt Location: Western Australia Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Z50, CB125, RZ500, MC22, R3. Posts: 394	Its not about the bike. (until riders get to lap record pace)
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June 24th, 2014, 12:16 PM	#14
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	First of all, taking my 300 on the track last February only deepened my love for that nimble little bike! It felt so much smoother in corners than my 250 ever did, even on BT-45 street tires. I didn't have to shift as frequently and didn't have a single bogging incident that used to occasionally plague me on the 250 (especially in unfamiliar corners). The 300 falls into corners just as easily as the 250 but has enough power in the lower-RPM range (around 5k) to pull through with no incident. I used to feel if I wasn't around 8k on the 250, there just wasn't the power I craved to pull me through the corner. __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

June 24th, 2014, 01:01 PM	#15
BoBO ninjette.org guru Name: Genesis Location: Paradise Valley Village, AZ Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): SC28 Fireblade Posts: 463	Stock for stock the 300 will pull away on the 250 off the line.However, a pumped up 250 is a different story. I remember running against a 300 of the line a while back, the guy on the 300 was a bit heavier than me. I was about 155 and the other guy must have been 170+, we were about dead even until about the end of the second gear. I was getting ahead little by little nothing fancy. But at the end of the day, I will always pick the 300 over the 250.Why? because it may not be by much, but the 300 is better in every way. I can't wait till Kawi comes out with the new 500R, now that is something to think about. __________________________________________________ 94 900RR 04 BMW Z4 2.5 M Package 01 R170 AMG Sport Package Last futzed with by BoBO; June 24th, 2014 at 03:05 PM.

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