Now I feel like a real rider.

Gurk · April 10th, 2012, 04:45 PM

Hey at least I crashed it in its "element"

Link to original page on YouTube.

Ok here's what happened:

1) I go in too fast into the turn and pick a real bad line
2) I realize I might not make it so I grab brakes not too hard but enough to
3) Transfer most weight in front tire which
4) although the lean angle wasn't severe, it was enough that i tucked the front.

What I should have done:

a) After slowing down a tad while straight up, lean and open throttle which would transfer weight to rear tire and it would grip.

b) If I decide I can't make a) or can't think of it in that short amount of time, just straighten the damn thing up and run off track it beats crashing!

I'm , bike's

My body was traveling 74mph when I actually hit the ground. Could've been way worse but I'm totally ok. I wish I only slided but I actually tumbled a few times before stopping. Had few sore muscles and was hard breathing at first (cause my back was twisted a bit and breathing would hurt my back lol) but I started feeling better next day. This happened on Saturday but I'm totally ok now.

Helmet has scratches seems reusable but i'll make sure.

Suit has one small hole in arm but it's tiny and the whole suit is very much usable (<3 Dainese) and in great shape. Now even cooler with battle scars!

Gloves and Boots are perfect.

Bike has : Bent seat frame, bent forks, obliterated tank, lost gauge cluster, punctured airbox enclosure, messed up body work, maybe bent swing arm.

I will be fixing and getting help fixing from fellow local forumitees (thanks for offering your help guys. you know who you are)

I have absolutely no doubts about going to track again and will do so once I fix the bike

Oh and before anyone mentions, this crash has absolutely nothing to do with the number of CC's I had so please kindly stop before starting a flame war.

csmith12 · April 10th, 2012, 04:54 PM

Dood you crashed on the track! Here is your battle stripes.

Glad your ok and eager to get back out there.

austexjg · April 10th, 2012, 04:55 PM

No better place to go down than at the track - glad your okay.

Jono · April 10th, 2012, 05:02 PM

Well that sucks! And looks expensive.

At least it was in a safe environment!

Alex · April 10th, 2012, 05:02 PM

Don't grab the brakes there, it won't end well.

Great outcome otherwise from a pretty high-speed get-off. Very glad you're OK.

zzrguy · April 10th, 2012, 05:13 PM

glad to hear you okay but it didnt look like you were leaning at all into that corner... no wonder you crashed :P

Gurk · April 10th, 2012, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzrguy

glad to hear you okay but it didnt look like you were leaning at all into that corner... no wonder you crashed :P

If i wasn't leaning i wouldn't crash.

alex.s · April 10th, 2012, 05:34 PM

copy-cat.

Gurk · April 10th, 2012, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

copy-cat.

mine's noober. but faster

blink · April 10th, 2012, 06:04 PM

you layed it down during a pretty straight line?

I don't understand how that happened

blink · April 10th, 2012, 06:04 PM

You shifted your weight really weirdly too

alex.s · April 10th, 2012, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blink

you layed it down during a pretty straight line?

wut?

EthioKnight · April 10th, 2012, 06:45 PM

Always glad to read a fellow rider express his resolve to get back up on the saddle after a fall...much respect Sir and God speed with the repairs.

Mocha Man · April 10th, 2012, 10:54 PM

Dang, bike looks really beat up (although it may just be the dirt). Glad you're okay though.

Firehorse · April 10th, 2012, 11:02 PM

Glad you're okay and being analytical. Get yourself checked out if you need to, don't want any quiet injuries sneaking up on you.

CC war? Pfft! That's a "See? See?" Awesome bike having a bad day but rider is badass. LOL!
Yep, check the helmet and make sure someone keeps an eye on the helmet contents, concussions aren't fun.

alex.s · April 10th, 2012, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firehorse

Glad you're okay and being analytical. Get yourself checked out if you need to, don't want any quiet injuries sneaking up on you.

CC war? Pfft! That's a "See? See?" Awesome bike having a bad day but rider is badass. LOL!
Yep, check the helmet and make sure someone keeps an eye on the helmet contents, concussions aren't fun.

has to be somethin there to damage first :P

<3s gurkanpie

greg737 · April 10th, 2012, 11:42 PM

How long had you been out on the track that day? I'm not a racer (at all) but it seems like "brain-fade" might have been a contributing factor. Were you tired? Dehydrated? Low blood sugar?

It looked like you didn't come anywhere near taking full advantage of the track that was available at the turn prior to the mishap turn (didn't clip the apex), which I would guess is critical in setting up for a successful line (the mishap turn appears to be a pretty big bend, yes?).

alex.s · April 10th, 2012, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg737

How long had you been out on the track that day? I'm not a racer (at all) but it seems like "brain-fade" might have been a contributing factor. Were you tired? Dehydrated? Low blood sugar?

It looked like you didn't come anywhere near taking full advantage of the track that was available at the turn prior to the mishap turn (didn't clip the apex), which I would guess is critical in setting up for a successful line (the mishap turn appears to be a pretty big bend, yes?).

if i remember right it was the third lap of his second session. i think his problem was taking advice from the wrong people LOL. i know we said brake later gurk, but thats TOO LATE! :P

he could have made the turn at the speed he was going if he had done the braking earlier and was on the gas over the crest

Gurk · April 11th, 2012, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

he could have made the turn at the speed he was going if he had done the braking earlier and was on the gas over the crest

this.

Gurk · April 11th, 2012, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

if i remember right it was the third lap of his second session.

and this.

i was feeling fresh. just simple noob error really.

gfloyd2002 · April 11th, 2012, 04:11 AM

Glad you are okay, Gurk. +1 credibility for crashing at track, +1 for manning up with good post crash analysis. Good reminder for us all about our (sometimes overpowering) urge to brake rather than use gas and lean when we hit corner too hot. Did it over the weekend myself (no bad result), and I was kicking myself for not being stronger than my incorrect instinct. Thanks for another reminder, maybe it'll help - that is what this forum is all about.

akima · April 11th, 2012, 12:12 PM

Eeep. That looks like an expensive crash. Track riding looks so fun though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gurk

Helmet has scratches seems reusable but i'll make sure.

How can you make sure? Annoyingly I dropped my helmet the other day. I figure I now have to buy a brand new one

Gurk · April 11th, 2012, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akima

Eeep. That looks like an expensive crash. Track riding looks so fun though.

How can you make sure? Annoyingly I dropped my helmet the other day. I figure I now have to buy a brand new one

There's really no way of making 100% sure and I'll show it to a few people who know what they're talking about along with taking all the insides out and investigating whether there's cracks in the outer shell or inner parts especially the foam.

Best bet is always just buying a new one obviously.

Trailerboy531 · April 11th, 2012, 12:31 PM

You should be able to send it to nexx who will check it for you and let you know if it's still suitable.

Rexbo · April 11th, 2012, 12:38 PM

Man that turn is deceptive too, you always gotta carry too much speed over the crest because there's so much runout on the other side! Scares me every time going that direction

Sorry bout the crash, but where else can you get on the pavement going 70+ mph and only feel "a little sore"? All things considered you're just a little lighter in the wallet, and thats all.

blink · April 12th, 2012, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

wut?

It's hard to see how sharp the turn ahead is, but as the bike got layed down, it was in a pretty straight cornering line

Gurk · April 12th, 2012, 11:36 AM

blink : I'm definitely more straight up than previous laps but the bike still had a little bit of lean. When you're on brakes, the weight transfers in front as you know and the smallest lean can make the front just give up and fold.

I know it looks straight up but I had slight lean and it was enough for the front to fold like that. I have nothing to blame here. Track wasn't slippery, tires weren't cold. It was just bad technique.

Rexbo · April 12th, 2012, 12:21 PM

also notice that the front locked as soon as you got past the crest. Camber changes will do that

But hey, thats how you learn, get back out there when you can and get faster!

alex.s · April 12th, 2012, 12:30 PM

i think i see a cleaned up patch of oil next to the area you dropped it. BLAME THAT!!!

Gurk · April 12th, 2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

i think i see a cleaned up patch of oil next to the area you dropped it. BLAME THAT!!!

Pffft. You're the blame master.

Trailerboy531 · April 12th, 2012, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

i think i see a cleaned up patch of oil next to the area you dropped it. BLAME THAT!!!

Jono · April 12th, 2012, 02:17 PM

You should have kept your 250 for a track bike. Obviously you can't handle anything bigger. What a noob!

I am sure you would have made the same mistake on any bike. S*** happens! Sometimes you just have to learn things the hard way.

"A" · April 20th, 2012, 08:37 AM

Not one bit surprised at your crash.

Remember back in Demcember you asked about going "track-only" before you've gotten your "slow-skills" down pat.

How many laps did you complete prior to the crash?

How much $$ are you out now and how many track events have you participated?

choneofakind · April 20th, 2012, 01:09 PM

Trailerboy531 · April 22nd, 2012, 06:35 PM

A, you got banned because you had to create a second account to back your own bull crap up.

There is not a single person on this forum who respects you or even cares what you think. Do yourself a favor - stop trolling the internet, get out side, get a life, and become someone that people actually want to be around instead of loathe.

Hoodie Ninja · April 22nd, 2012, 06:41 PM

Glad to see you are OK!!

"A" · April 22nd, 2012, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trailerboy531

A, you got banned because you had to create a second account to back your own bull crap up.

There is not a single person on this forum who respects you or even cares what you think. Do yourself a favor - stop trolling the internet, get out side, get a life, and become someone that people actually want to be around instead of loathe.

Whatever, at least I'm teling the truth.. sometime that may not be what people want to hear. But when someone can't argue against the truth, they bring up personal attacks such as your post that has nothing related to the topic.

You want anyone to believe your arguement, post something truthful for a change.

Alex · April 22nd, 2012, 07:17 PM

Personal attacks to PM's. No warnings.

Dragonracer76 · April 23rd, 2012, 12:04 AM

Sorry to hear about the wreck but glad you're ok. Can't wait to see more racing action from ya when the bike's sorted out.

Ninja Justin · April 23rd, 2012, 12:45 AM

Glad your okay. that could have been way worse for you.

Dude, you crashed that thing like a true Boss... just sayin...

April 10th, 2012, 04:45 PM	#1
Gurk Done here. Name: - Location: Track Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	Now I feel like a real rider. Hey at least I crashed it in its "element" Link to original page on YouTube. Ok here's what happened: 1) I go in too fast into the turn and pick a real bad line 2) I realize I might not make it so I grab brakes not too hard but enough to 3) Transfer most weight in front tire which 4) although the lean angle wasn't severe, it was enough that i tucked the front. What I should have done: a) After slowing down a tad while straight up, lean and open throttle which would transfer weight to rear tire and it would grip. b) If I decide I can't make a) or can't think of it in that short amount of time, just straighten the damn thing up and run off track it beats crashing! I'm , bike's My body was traveling 74mph when I actually hit the ground. Could've been way worse but I'm totally ok. I wish I only slided but I actually tumbled a few times before stopping. Had few sore muscles and was hard breathing at first (cause my back was twisted a bit and breathing would hurt my back lol) but I started feeling better next day. This happened on Saturday but I'm totally ok now. Helmet has scratches seems reusable but i'll make sure. Suit has one small hole in arm but it's tiny and the whole suit is very much usable (<3 Dainese) and in great shape. Now even cooler with battle scars! Gloves and Boots are perfect. Bike has : Bent seat frame, bent forks, obliterated tank, lost gauge cluster, punctured airbox enclosure, messed up body work, maybe bent swing arm. I will be fixing and getting help fixing from fellow local forumitees (thanks for offering your help guys. you know who you are) I have absolutely no doubts about going to track again and will do so once I fix the bike Oh and before anyone mentions, this crash has absolutely nothing to do with the number of CC's I had so please kindly stop before starting a flame war.

April 10th, 2012, 04:54 PM	#2
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Dood you crashed on the track! Here is your battle stripes. Glad your ok and eager to get back out there. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

April 10th, 2012, 04:55 PM	#3
austexjg ninjette.org sage Name: J.G. Location: Austin Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 zx6r Green/Black, (ex-)Diablo Black '09 Ninja 250r Posts: 959	No better place to go down than at the track - glad your okay. __________________________________________________ Anyone can go fast in a straight line.... Once you go track, you never go back....

April 10th, 2012, 05:02 PM	#5
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Don't grab the brakes there, it won't end well. Great outcome otherwise from a pretty high-speed get-off. Very glad you're OK. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 10th, 2012, 05:34 PM	#8
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	copy-cat. __________________________________________________

April 10th, 2012, 05:02 PM	#4
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	Well that sucks! And looks expensive. At least it was in a safe environment!

April 10th, 2012, 05:13 PM	#6
zzrguy ninjette.org member Name: Lostboy Location: Guelph Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2002 ZZR 250 Posts: 127	glad to hear you okay but it didnt look like you were leaning at all into that corner... no wonder you crashed :P

April 10th, 2012, 06:04 PM	#10
blink Always. Name: Alex Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250, '05 GSX-R600 Posts: A lot.	you layed it down during a pretty straight line? I don't understand how that happened __________________________________________________ blink-182

April 10th, 2012, 06:45 PM	#13
EthioKnight Super Noob Name: Alex Location: Mobile, AL Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): '09 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, '84 Honda Spree 50cc Posts: A lot.	Always glad to read a fellow rider express his resolve to get back up on the saddle after a fall...much respect Sir and God speed with the repairs.

April 10th, 2012, 10:54 PM	#14
Mocha Man Blue Shell magnet Name: Nolan Location: Northwest Washington Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 1997 Ninja 250 Posts: 816	Dang, bike looks really beat up (although it may just be the dirt). Glad you're okay though.

April 10th, 2012, 11:02 PM	#15
Firehorse ninjette.org sage Name: Ms.T, Queen of the Night Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250 Posts: 938	Glad you're okay and being analytical. Get yourself checked out if you need to, don't want any quiet injuries sneaking up on you. CC war? Pfft! That's a "See? See?" Awesome bike having a bad day but rider is badass. LOL! Yep, check the helmet and make sure someone keeps an eye on the helmet contents, concussions aren't fun.

April 10th, 2012, 11:42 PM	#17
greg737 - Name: - Location: - Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	How long had you been out on the track that day? I'm not a racer (at all) but it seems like "brain-fade" might have been a contributing factor. Were you tired? Dehydrated? Low blood sugar? It looked like you didn't come anywhere near taking full advantage of the track that was available at the turn prior to the mishap turn (didn't clip the apex), which I would guess is critical in setting up for a successful line (the mishap turn appears to be a pretty big bend, yes?).

April 11th, 2012, 04:11 AM	#21
gfloyd2002 User Title Free Since '12 Name: Floyd Location: Barbados Join Date: Dec 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 Ninja 250R Special Edition Green Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 13 MOTM - Feb '12	Glad you are okay, Gurk. +1 credibility for crashing at track, +1 for manning up with good post crash analysis. Good reminder for us all about our (sometimes overpowering) urge to brake rather than use gas and lean when we hit corner too hot. Did it over the weekend myself (no bad result), and I was kicking myself for not being stronger than my incorrect instinct. Thanks for another reminder, maybe it'll help - that is what this forum is all about. __________________________________________________ "Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius." — William Blake

April 11th, 2012, 12:31 PM	#24
Trailerboy531 Gear crash test dummy Name: Max Location: South Bay (So. Cal) Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 race bike, 2014 ZX-636r Posts: A lot.	You should be able to send it to nexx who will check it for you and let you know if it's still suitable.

April 11th, 2012, 12:38 PM	#25
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	Man that turn is deceptive too, you always gotta carry too much speed over the crest because there's so much runout on the other side! Scares me every time going that direction Sorry bout the crash, but where else can you get on the pavement going 70+ mph and only feel "a little sore"? All things considered you're just a little lighter in the wallet, and thats all.

April 12th, 2012, 11:36 AM	#27
Gurk Done here. Name: - Location: Track Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	blink : I'm definitely more straight up than previous laps but the bike still had a little bit of lean. When you're on brakes, the weight transfers in front as you know and the smallest lean can make the front just give up and fold. I know it looks straight up but I had slight lean and it was enough for the front to fold like that. I have nothing to blame here. Track wasn't slippery, tires weren't cold. It was just bad technique.

April 12th, 2012, 12:21 PM	#28
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	also notice that the front locked as soon as you got past the crest. Camber changes will do that But hey, thats how you learn, get back out there when you can and get faster!

April 12th, 2012, 12:30 PM	#29
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i think i see a cleaned up patch of oil next to the area you dropped it. BLAME THAT!!! __________________________________________________

April 12th, 2012, 02:17 PM	#32
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	You should have kept your 250 for a track bike. Obviously you can't handle anything bigger. What a noob! I am sure you would have made the same mistake on any bike. S*** happens! Sometimes you just have to learn things the hard way.

April 20th, 2012, 08:37 AM	#33
"A" vampire Name: A Location: IT Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2 many 2 list Posts: A lot.	Not one bit surprised at your crash. Remember back in Demcember you asked about going "track-only" before you've gotten your "slow-skills" down pat. How many laps did you complete prior to the crash? How much $$ are you out now and how many track events have you participated?

April 20th, 2012, 01:09 PM	#34
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14

April 22nd, 2012, 06:35 PM	#35
Trailerboy531 Gear crash test dummy Name: Max Location: South Bay (So. Cal) Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 race bike, 2014 ZX-636r Posts: A lot.	A, you got banned because you had to create a second account to back your own bull crap up. There is not a single person on this forum who respects you or even cares what you think. Do yourself a favor - stop trolling the internet, get out side, get a life, and become someone that people actually want to be around instead of loathe.

April 22nd, 2012, 06:41 PM	#36
Hoodie Ninja ninjette.org member Name: Zach Location: Vestal, NY Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R Special Posts: 78	Glad to see you are OK!!

April 22nd, 2012, 07:17 PM	#38
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Personal attacks to PM's. No warnings. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 23rd, 2012, 12:04 AM	#39
Dragonracer76 ninjette.org member Name: Jason Location: Cabot, AR Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 209	Sorry to hear about the wreck but glad you're ok. Can't wait to see more racing action from ya when the bike's sorted out.

April 23rd, 2012, 12:45 AM	#40
Ninja Justin ninjette.org Ninja :) Name: Justin Location: Anchorage Alaska Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R SE Posts: 42	Glad your okay. that could have been way worse for you. Dude, you crashed that thing like a true Boss... just sayin...

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