Post pics of your most recent track/racing BP (Body Positioning)

[tgold]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Cool Timm!

I love Nelson, we endearingly call it "boot camp" down here. If you can go fast there... you can go fast just about anywhere. lol I raced with MS in 2013-2014, we were almost always pushing down in the low 20's with an occasional 1:20 thrown in the mix for race times.

Tell Todd and the gang I will around a bit more next season, I really miss ya'lls and the good times racin'.

I've heard that a 1:20 is scootin' around Nelson on a 250. I got into the 1:26 range 1st weekend on the borrowed 250 with street tires, so I don't feel too bad, but dropping 6 seconds is going to take a good bit of work. It'll be a fun kind of work though

Looking forward to seeing you out there next season!

[tgold]

Originally Posted by sharky nrk

You know what they say about "opinions and everyone having one" lol. J/K. Honestly there is no right/wrong approach. From a beginner standpoint, there are a lot of things good BP helps with and as such its not a bad idea to instill the right ideas from the get go.

However, there is no "correct" BP for everyone. Riding fast beyond the beginner basics (lol alliteration fumble) becomes as much about what works for you, personally. But that comes after the more important bits like understanding lines, reference points, vision, throttle and brake application, steering inputs, etc.

You'll get no argument from me on instilling good habits with respect to BP from the start. It's just the heavy focus on BP that I would say is a problem. I think that the focus on BP stems from the fact that it's the easiest thing for a riding coach to pick out and some instruction is better than no instruction. It's more difficult to ascertain what a rider is thinking or paying attention to while riding behind them. More difficult, but not impossible, and it usually involves asking the right questions with a new rider right after a session on the track, and then addressing the issues with their priorities in their thinking.

I'll agree that there is no correct BP for everyone mainly because of some oftentimes huge ergonomic differences between riders. An aspect which is rarely discussed in the BP debate.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by tgold

You'll get no argument from me on instilling good habits with respect to BP from the start. It's just the heavy focus on BP that I would say is a problem. I think that the focus on BP stems from the fact that it's the easiest thing for a riding coach to pick out and some instruction is better than no instruction. It's more difficult to ascertain what a rider is thinking or paying attention to while riding behind them. More difficult, but not impossible, and it usually involves asking the right questions with a new rider right after a session on the track, and then addressing the issues with their priorities in their thinking.

I'l agree that there is no correct BP for everyone mainly because of some oftentimes huge ergonomic differences between riders.

You may like this thread.
https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=202619

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@tgold this one also https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=222633

[green_bread]

Originally Posted by sharky nrk

You know what they say about "opinions and everyone having one" lol. J/K. Honestly there is no right/wrong approach. From a beginner standpoint, there are a lot of things good BP helps with and as such its not a bad idea to instill the right ideas from the get go.

However, there is no "correct" BP for everyone. Riding fast beyond the beginner basics (lol alliteration fumble) becomes as much about what works for you, personally. But that comes after the more important bits like understanding lines, reference points, vision, throttle and brake application, steering inputs, etc.

I think this is the post I agree with most, but I agree with a lot of the things tgold said, as well.

I will admit that I was in the camp of "worrying about body position too much" from the get go and once I stopped thinking about what my body was doing and concentrated on going as fast as I could, I started going a LOT faster.

Now, with that said, Im really glad that I put in work on my BP early on because when I stopped thinking about it, I still had muscle memory of what was "correct" and I just did it without thinking about it. As Ive said in a couple earlier posts, I think that finding your reference points for anchoring yourself to the bike are much more important than worrying about how far your butt is off the seat or how far down your head is.

Personally, I like to spend the morning practice sessions at a more relaxed pace while working on reference points/lines and using a more exaggerated body position. Then, in the afternoon, I stop thinking about BP and just start concentrating on going as fast as possible. I know my BP isnt "as good" at this point, but I still end up going a lot faster because Im comfortable on the bike and have confidence from not having to think about/process SO much information all at the same time.

This is just what works for me. Everyone is different and there are many approaches to it. I agree that there is no "universally correct" BP and each person has to work to find what works best for them and allows them to go the fastest.

[adouglas]

[csmith12]

This thread is in dire need of a pic. lol

[adouglas]

Tuck in your shirt, you slob.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by adouglas

Tuck in your shirt, you slob.

lol, why does it look like I have alien length fingers?!?!?!?

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by csmith12

lol, why does it look like I have alien length fingers?!?!?!?

Your yellow bib is riding way up.

[dcj13]

Originally Posted by tgold

I love that this is my first post, but don't read too much into that fact.

Welcome, Timm! Good to see you exploring the forum and taking advantage of its features. Kind of a fun place on the web.

[choneofakind]

Does this count as "doing it right"?

[Sirref]

yes

but only because all that rubber is still on your suit

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Sirref

yes

but only because all that rubber is still on your suit

I can't get it out. It's a constant reminder about the red mist.

I get a little street cred for wearing a rashed up suit though People legit think it's cool. I mean hey, if sliding across pavement at 55 mph is your idea of cool, then by all means, let's swap bikes and lives because while it was uneventful for my first crash, I don't wanna do it again.

[csmith12]

White suits....

[choneofakind]

But they look so darn good and go with all paint schemes without being all matchy matchy!! Look too matchy and you just look silly.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

But they look so darn good and go with all paint schemes without being all matchy matchy!! Look too matchy and you just look silly.

Imma powder my wheels to match my suit. Kinda like having your socks match your shirt.

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Imma powder my wheels to match my suit. Kinda like having your socks match your shirt.

Geez, my socks don't even match each other.

And all I buy are black socks.

[Yakaru]

On a BMW and not my Ninja but this was my best positioning this summer:

[algs26]

Managed to finally drag my right knee at Sonoma (Sears Point) ... and then crashed like an MSF noob. Thankfully, walked away with only bruises.

[choneofakind]

like an MSF newb glad you're okay!!! Always good to walk away from a crash with no major injuries besides the old ego.

[cbinker]

Hot off the press, a little more to be proud of since the first race weekend.

[choneofakind]

Nice!! you liked that corner, didn't you?

[cbinker]

I was getting better at it, it was a WOT double left coming to a little right hand kink into the front straight.

[Sirref]

[ninja-turtle]

Last TD Summit Main. Not a 250 but I think a 636 is good enough?

[csmith12]

Nice!!!!

[cbinker]

haha fines apply.

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by ninja-turtle

Last TD Summit Main. Not a 250 but I think a 636 is good enough?

It really looks like you've lost it and this was shot a few dozen milliseconds before crashing. I mean, that's MotoGP-like lean angle.

[ninja-turtle]

Originally Posted by adouglas

It really looks like you've lost it and this was shot a few dozen milliseconds before crashing. I mean, that's MotoGP-like lean angle.

Luckily, that wasn't the case

[Sirref]

what is that, T4? T9?

gnarly lean angle through it regardless, it really looks like you lost the front but saved it because you were on throttle and the weight was on the rear

[ninja-turtle]

Originally Posted by Sirref

what is that, T4? T9?

gnarly lean angle through it regardless, it really looks like you lost the front but saved it because you were on throttle and the weight was on the rear

You guys have good eyes and yes I also believe this pic was coming out of 9 before the hill when I lost the front for a second. I quickly regained and throttled up that hill. It was def an oh **** moment but as soon as it regained I made sure not to chop the throttle but instead throttle it up the hill and focus on the next turn.

This was the 1st session out that morning and I made sure to keep an eye on my tire pressures throughout the day.

[adouglas]

"Chicken strips off my tires? Hah. I took the chicken PAINT off my rims...."

[ninja-turtle]

^lolll

Btw Sirref I see you ride with TPM as well. I may have seen you around main before. I kinda jump around between n2,tpm, and MARRC for the most part but whenever there's a Summit Main event I'm almost always there. I'll be setting up this 300 I just purchased to race with everyone next season. Hopefully I see you there

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by ninja-turtle

^lolll

Btw Sirref I see you ride with TPM as well. I may have seen you around main before. I kinda jump around between n2,tpm, and MARRC for the most part but whenever there's a Summit Main event I'm almost always there. I'll be setting up this 300 I just purchased to race with everyone next season. Hopefully I see you there

You will, I've got some work to do to fix mine as well but it'll be faster when I'm done

always looking forward to bigger grids of racers in the ninja class, means the payout is bigger and the racing is better!

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by adouglas

"Chicken strips off my tires? Hah. I took the chicken PAINT off my rims...."

relevant

[burningscooter]

@ninja-turtle I hear through the grapevine that you a different animal, same beast these days. I'll be looking for you to battle!

Also, @Sirref RIP your bike.

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by burningscooter

Also, @Sirref RIP your bike.

It will rise again, track only though. I needed a good excuse to put track bodywork on there so I could run ccs anyway

[ninja-turtle]

Originally Posted by burningscooter

@ninja-turtle I hear through the grapevine that you a different animal, same beast these days. I'll be looking for you to battle!

Yo I thought that was you! Haha yea this beast is trying to catch up the rest of the pack. The real question is wasup with Jennings in Feb? Are you down or are you down!?

I'm most likely gonna bring the 300 out this go around.

[Aufitt]

Missed you guys & girls, been flatout downunder lately;

[csmith12]

Nice! What is the little gadget behind your screen?