December 5th, 2013, 09:21 AM | #1 |
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Track Tool Kit
So whenever I go to the track I bring along two giant ass toolboxes with roughly every tool I own.
I have recently come to realize this is a really stupid thing to do. Has anyone taken the time to figure out every tool you could need to disassemble a 250? Over the winter I'm going to go through and make a list of every possible socket size, etc, but I just figured I'd check in case anyone had already had this idea before. My goal is to just have as small and minimalist of a kit as possible, then throw a torque adapter in there and call it a day. |
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December 5th, 2013, 10:08 AM | #2 |
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disassembling the bike:
jis cross screw driver, a flat head also comes in handy set of allen wrenches (i prefer the ones that snap onto a ratchet, then you can use extenders and things) sockets: 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 17 open-loop wrenches: 10,12,14 (you want these for securing locknuts etc since you can't get to the back nut while you're on the front nut. chain breaker/riveter. a pair of channel-locks come in handy. a hammer or mallet comes in handy spare rags and paper towels blue locktite, high temp gasket maker, moly grease, spare oil, spare water wetter, brake fluid, lots of ducttape, zipties and safety wire (don't forget the safetywire tool) spare controls come in handy when you crash. disassembling the engine: everything above plus: - clutch hub vice - size 11, 21, 23, 27 sockets. - impact wrench helps - patience ... i feel like i'm forgetting something. keep in mind, unless you plan on repairing after crashing or making large scale changes (bad idea at the track) you don't need any of this **** minimal track-day kit: ducttape AND painters tape, zipties, shade, water and electrolytes
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December 5th, 2013, 10:15 AM | #3 |
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Copied and put into my "trackday random notes" file.
I'd add Hand cleaner Magnetic pickup tool Misc. spare fasteners for the ones that are going to go missing Flashlight Multitool (mostly for the knife but you never know) Magnetic tray for fasteners Torque wrench? Is that overkill? I'm a bit OCD about torquing stuff.
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December 5th, 2013, 10:28 AM | #4 |
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Tools for truck and trailer also. And you may need to repair another vehicle/bike while there.
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December 5th, 2013, 10:41 AM | #6 | |
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Adjustable spanner wrench if you need to remove the triples and get to the headstock bearings. Wait a minute...OP...Knolly....or you on the D675 forum?!?
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December 5th, 2013, 11:07 AM | #8 |
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Yes, bring it for wheels, brakes and sprocks. Don't wanna be guessing that crap. Some do, I don't.
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December 5th, 2013, 11:58 AM | #10 |
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Awesome, thanks everyone! Now gotta find a toolbox with some nice drawers or something so I can do that super-clean foam cutout thingy and have spots for everything. Or just say **** it and throw everything in one big compartment.
That's me! Caught the 250 bug earlier this year. |
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December 5th, 2013, 12:01 PM | #11 |
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That's all relative. People have various sizes of tools.
Whats good and tight for me might be small and loose for you.
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December 5th, 2013, 02:05 PM | #13 | |
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December 5th, 2013, 02:59 PM | #14 | |
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December 5th, 2013, 03:56 PM | #15 |
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December 5th, 2013, 04:20 PM | #16 |
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can confirm. i have old craftsman metal boxes at the garage. they're over 30 years old and you wouldn't even know it aside from the faded paint. work just as well a brand new one. i used to use a metal ammo box for my track tools, but it was drab green and would get really hot to the touch in the desert sun.
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December 7th, 2013, 08:09 PM | #17 |
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December 8th, 2013, 07:35 AM | #19 |
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You said "disassembling the engine " , "I feel I'm forgetting something ". Your quote not mine. I just thought if you where going to take your engine apart at the track (?) you would be pissed trying to get that stuborn flywheel off. Perhaps I should have asked, why would you take your engine apart at the track? And , if you want to service it at the track, in a given small time frame, "patience" probably aren't needed. LOL
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December 8th, 2013, 01:55 PM | #20 |
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you don't take the flywheel off to disassemble the engine on the 250. unless you specifically need to remove the flywheel because it is damaged. and unless you carry a spare flywheel to the track... typically the flywheel and crank stay together since there is never a need to remove it (like i said unless it specifically has damage)
also, these bikes crash well but sometimes throw the external linkage forks off the shift hub in a lowside. being able to fix it and race the next day is nice. the transmission can be finicky in crashes and just needs to be rebuilt often with no real damage (so long as the bike didn't keep running you know)
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December 8th, 2013, 06:03 PM | #21 |
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Ah good, no need for me to drag my tools to the track any longer!
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December 8th, 2013, 06:39 PM | #22 |
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How do you machine the crankshaft if you don't remove the flywheel? How do you lighten the flywheel if you don't take it off
my flywheel puller is in my track box. It's as important to me as the tools I need to jet my carbs. Last futzed with by bruce71198; December 8th, 2013 at 06:47 PM. Reason: Picture f'd up |
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December 8th, 2013, 06:50 PM | #23 | |
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December 8th, 2013, 07:31 PM | #24 |
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Thanks for posting my photo. I haven't mastered the I phone
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December 8th, 2013, 08:35 PM | #25 |
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you remembered the engine though right? ...right?
thanks for the list for me to copy over to "I should probably buy this at some point so I can do more stuff than just what the tools my bike came with can do" list. the flashlight is a good idea too especially if you're there for a weekend instead of a day. |
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December 8th, 2013, 10:32 PM | #26 |
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nah man, just turn the bike on it's right side, take the chain off, take the flywheel cover off, and use a sharp knife while the engine is on. good idea to wear safety glasses. the bike becomes it's own lathe!
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December 9th, 2013, 04:45 AM | #27 |
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And that reminds me, I need to bring my lathe and I might as well throw in the Bridgeport, never know when you might need to scim a little off the head or bore a cylinder ! I'm going to need a bigger track box....
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December 21st, 2013, 06:13 PM | #28 |
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I'd add JB Weld, a drill and bits (for suturing plastics)....
And how was duct tape not listed?? Did I miss it? |
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December 22nd, 2013, 08:44 AM | #29 |
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why in the world would anybody be wrenching on their engine at the track, let alone removing flywheels - seriously has anyone ever extracted a motor and split the cases between heat races??? besides a handful of sockets and spare pegs/levers/clipons, after two years of crashing the **** out of our bike, i've never needed anything else at the track... supporting an aspiring rider with no regard for the well-being of the bike he's riding, that's saying alot!
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December 22nd, 2013, 04:19 PM | #30 |
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I have used track days to test and tune my bike. Do you know where your ignition timing is set? Do you know how to change it? Do you know how much more or less timing you can run with different fuels and what effect this has on power output? Have you ever had a magnet come off a flywheel and needed to get the broken pieces out of your engine?
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December 23rd, 2013, 07:06 PM | #33 | |
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December 25th, 2013, 08:59 AM | #34 |
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FatMax toolbox worked really well for me over the years. |
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December 25th, 2013, 09:20 AM | #35 |
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Same box we use... LOVE it!
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December 26th, 2013, 11:21 AM | #36 |
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dammit!! christmas was just YESTERdAY!!! that's a nice box.
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