Exhaust Systems

ilovejesus · June 17th, 2012, 01:47 PM

What is the difference between getting just a slip on exhaust or a full system exhaust for my Ninja 250?

And what brands would you recommend? Thanks guys.

What's your favorite exhaust? Vote in the poll

Alex · June 17th, 2012, 01:49 PM

http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Exhaust_Info

ilovejesus · June 17th, 2012, 01:51 PM

That helped a lot. Thanks

FrankDeezy510 · June 17th, 2012, 01:58 PM

If you're going to spend the dough, might as well spend just a little more for a full system. Not to mention your ninjette will love you for it! I installed a full Yoshi CF exhaust on mine, no regrets at all! Sounds great and a noticeable increase in hp (keep in mind you are re-jetting as well).

ilovejesus · June 17th, 2012, 01:59 PM

Not a big deal, but whats the mpg drop? Just curious.

FrankDeezy510 · June 17th, 2012, 02:06 PM

David, I MASH on my throttle man. On average I get 40-45 mpg out of her, that's with a full yoshi, k&n stock replacement, snorkel removed, dynojet 98 tuned 3 and 31/2 out. The benefits outweigh the loss in mpg for sure. I don't choke her at all on a cold start either, no lagging in low and mid RPMs. Best of luck no matter what you decide, but better to get the full kit first time around instead of buying another kit later down the road IMO. Plus, the stainless headers are sexy as fcuk mang...

Jiggles · June 17th, 2012, 02:07 PM

Area P if you want to go faster and not sound like a dick

FrankDeezy510 · June 17th, 2012, 02:13 PM

I dont know about the 'sounding like a dick' part Jiggles, to each their own I suppose. Heres a couple shots of the full exhaust I installed before I put the fairings back on.

ilovejesus · June 17th, 2012, 02:33 PM

What's the difference? Which to get?

http://www.areapnolimits.com/product...-Race-2008.php

http://www.areapnolimits.com/product...-250R-2008.php

Jiggles · June 17th, 2012, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovejesus

What's the difference? Which to get?

http://www.areapnolimits.com/product...-Race-2008.php

http://www.areapnolimits.com/product...-250R-2008.php

Second one, and get the 18inch more power and less noise

Still louder than stock though

ilovejesus · June 17th, 2012, 02:59 PM

What do you need with the Full Exhaust System? I know a Dyno Jet but which one exactly? ANd What else? Thanks

lgk · June 17th, 2012, 03:20 PM

im pleased with my area p.

thurt88 · June 17th, 2012, 03:40 PM

Love the area p on my zx10 but I prefer my stock exhaust on my 250. Don't see any need to upgrade it because its purely cosmetic. Even the full exhaust only adds negligible power and for a 250, would you really feel the extra 3-5 ponies ?

Jiggles · June 17th, 2012, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovejesus

What do you need with the Full Exhaust System? I know a Dyno Jet but which one exactly? ANd What else? Thanks

Area p customized dyno jet kit

ilovejesus · June 17th, 2012, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurt88

Love the area p on my zx10 but I prefer my stock exhaust on my 250. Don't see any need to upgrade it because its purely cosmetic. Even the full exhaust only adds negligible power and for a 250, would you really feel the extra 3-5 ponies ?

I personally don't like the Ninja 250r stock exhaust sound or look. So basically when I plan on upgrading my exhaust I'll be getting it for

Looks
Sounds
And the HP is just a plus that goes well with the dyno jet kit

menikmati · June 17th, 2012, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Area P if you want to go faster and not sound like a dick

Troof.

PsHYk · June 17th, 2012, 05:29 PM

i cant say what i prefer and whats best since im new to this and like someone stated investing a lot of money on something that isnt gonna add too much hp because of how small of bike it is then you probably dont want to do the yoshi cus ive seen the prices on those when i was looking around and i wasnt about to pay that much for an exhaust system...and yoshi sound is nice though...
i have a Jardine RT-5 its dickishly...Like that dont you @Jiggles

... loud in a way and it rumbles but its not bad and full system for 350 bucks isnt that bad a deal ya dig...

Snake · June 17th, 2012, 05:35 PM

I have an Area P Quiet core and I love it. Nice sound but is not obnoxiously loud.

Jiggles · June 17th, 2012, 05:36 PM

^ +1

Midnight Runner · June 18th, 2012, 10:36 PM

I don't get it. Isn't it favorable for a motorcyclist to have a louder exhaust so that cars can hear you, and they're aware of you?

On a car, I can understand not wanting it to be obnoxiously loud. On a bike, I'd rather be loud and alive.

Alex · June 18th, 2012, 10:38 PM

Loud Pipes Save Lives?

menikmati · June 18th, 2012, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Runner

I don't get it. Isn't it favorable for a motorcyclist to have a louder exhaust so that cars can hear you, and they're aware of you?

On a car, I can understand not wanting it to be obnoxiously loud. On a bike, I'd rather be loud and alive.

This will start another "loud pipes save lives" debacle.

Sonofswin · June 18th, 2012, 11:04 PM

I like my Tyga full stainless with the carbon silencer. (Other than the fairing problem described here.) It's a little loud, but I prefer to be able to hear it than not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurt88

Don't see any need to upgrade it because its purely cosmetic. Even the full exhaust only adds negligible power and for a 250, would you really feel the extra 3-5 ponies ?

I totally disagree, the rpm ranges at which I have higher power/torque have changed significantly with the full system, even before messing with the injection system. Remember, on a bike with 27hp a 5hp gain is significant. To call it purely cosmetic is quite the misnomer.

ilovejesus · June 19th, 2012, 12:12 AM

Which of these has the best performance increase?

http://www.areapnolimits.com/product...-250R-2008.php

http://tyga-performance.com/site/pro...oducts_id=1788

Cuz everyone is saying Area P but the Tyga is cheaper and it says increase the Hp by 4.2

What's the Area P increase?

Jiggles · June 19th, 2012, 12:45 AM

Area P beats all

Sonofswin · June 19th, 2012, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovejesus

Which of these has the best performance increase?

areapnolimits

tyga

Cuz everyone is saying Area P but the Tyga is cheaper and it says increase the Hp by 4.2

What's the Area P increase?

That's the Tyga system I have. If you got the cash, I'd recommend the AreaP (They have Dyno results on their site somewhere.) Simply because they have such a great rep. - Otherwise the Tyga is also great - Just be aware of the heat issues I referenced in my earlier post. However, Matt from Tyga Performance said in an email:

Quote:

Now we fit a stay on the mid pipe to rigidly mount it.

So it may be taken care of.

Dyno results can be iffy, so I'd take them with a grain of salt.

NJ Ninjette · June 19th, 2012, 04:49 AM

All the full exhausts will give you roughly the same peak HP gain (+/- 20%) from all the research that I've done. There are minor differences in the power curves that could make one better then others for the street or track I guess.

The biggest difference is in the looks, sound, loudness, and price. Put those things in the order of most importance to you and buy the one that fits the best.

Or just get the one Jiggles wants you to buy, you can't go wrong, and he can get his comission check for pimping their system...

Midnight Runner · June 19th, 2012, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by menikmati

This will start another "loud pipes save lives" debacle.

Not looking to start a debate, but it would appear that the larger accepted opinion is based on the opinion of a smaller group.

Compooky · June 19th, 2012, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Runner

Not looking to start a debate, but it would appear that the larger accepted opinion is based on the opinion of a smaller group.

My head exploded trying to understand that. It seems like you're saying whichever choice received the most votes is the minority.

Midnight Runner · June 19th, 2012, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compooky

My head exploded trying to understand that. It seems like you're saying whichever choice received the most votes is the minority.

Ha ha. sorry. I mean to say that it appears the generally accepted opinion (larger group) is based on those that voted in the poll (smaller group).

Either way, I'm sort of curious if there's a report that supports one case or another.

Jiggles · June 19th, 2012, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Runner

Ha ha. sorry. I mean to say that it appears the generally accepted opinion (larger group) is based on those that voted in the poll (smaller group).

Either way, I'm sort of curious if there's a report that supports one case or another.

Your pipe is pointed backwards. Point it forward if you want people in front of you to hear you

Jiggles · September 12th, 2012, 12:31 AM

Bum for justice!

psych0hans · September 12th, 2012, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovejesus

Which of these has the best performance increase?

http://www.areapnolimits.com/product...-250R-2008.php

http://tyga-performance.com/site/pro...oducts_id=1788

Cuz everyone is saying Area P but the Tyga is cheaper and it says increase the Hp by 4.2

What's the Area P increase?

@tygapaul this one's for you

Jiggles · September 12th, 2012, 12:51 PM

@Alex, would you mind adding in Tyga, Danmoto and Jardine

Alex · September 12th, 2012, 12:55 PM

/added

msebastian · September 13th, 2012, 04:18 AM

I will provide my thoughts on the two more popular exhaust Area P and Yoshimura. Now most riders on here are pro Area P and stick to their guns. To be honest the dyno sheets that I looked at are not to far off between Area P and Yoshimura. The race version of Area P show 31.57 HP and Yoshimura show 30.37 so a 1.2 HP increase for the Area P. My thing is that you get that 1.2 extra HP at the cost of looks because the Area P exhaust looks like ass IMO. The Yoshi is still only the second best looking exhaust though as you did not mention the Scorpion Serket exhaust in your poll. The Scorpion has the best looks IMO but does not perform as well as the Yoshi or Area P. So for looks and power I would suggest the Yoshi all day.

msebastian · September 13th, 2012, 04:29 AM

Plus there are other things you can do to get a little more HP. A rejet is necessary of course with a full exhaust but maybe you can look into removing the air box and putting on some pods for filters. There will be no restrictions for air flow and allow the engine to make a little more power. Also remove the Kleen air system if you remove the air box, no extra HP benefit but it is more junk that can be removed from the engine.

Jiggles · September 14th, 2012, 06:31 PM

10 for jardine? Wow. Maybe they couldn't hear the question?

Aggrotech · September 15th, 2012, 11:55 PM

I got approached by a dude with a growler...i did not find it loud one bit. i was in the parking lot that was a sidewalk away from the main road where he originally was. Whats the deal with everyone complaining about how loud the growler is..? the dude was over 8k rpm's on the road when he went right by me o.O

View Poll Results: Favorite exhaust for Ninja 250?
Yoshimura	13	18.84%
Two Brothers	9	13.04%
Akrapovic	4	5.80%
Area P	27	39.13%
Jardine	10	14.49%
Tyga	3	4.35%
Danmoto	0	0%
Others (Post What You Like)	3	4.35%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

June 17th, 2012, 01:47 PM	#1
ilovejesus ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250r Posts: 77	Exhaust Systems What is the difference between getting just a slip on exhaust or a full system exhaust for my Ninja 250? And what brands would you recommend? Thanks guys. What's your favorite exhaust? Vote in the poll

June 17th, 2012, 01:49 PM	#2
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Exhaust_Info __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

June 17th, 2012, 02:07 PM	#7
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Area P if you want to go faster and not sound like a dick __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

June 17th, 2012, 05:36 PM	#19
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	^ +1 __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

June 17th, 2012, 01:51 PM	#3
ilovejesus ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250r Posts: 77	That helped a lot. Thanks

June 17th, 2012, 01:58 PM	#4
FrankDeezy510 ninjette.org member Name: Frankie Location: Camarillo,CA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250r SE Posts: 17	If you're going to spend the dough, might as well spend just a little more for a full system. Not to mention your ninjette will love you for it! I installed a full Yoshi CF exhaust on mine, no regrets at all! Sounds great and a noticeable increase in hp (keep in mind you are re-jetting as well).

June 17th, 2012, 01:59 PM	#5
ilovejesus ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250r Posts: 77	Not a big deal, but whats the mpg drop? Just curious.

June 17th, 2012, 02:06 PM	#6
FrankDeezy510 ninjette.org member Name: Frankie Location: Camarillo,CA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250r SE Posts: 17	David, I MASH on my throttle man. On average I get 40-45 mpg out of her, that's with a full yoshi, k&n stock replacement, snorkel removed, dynojet 98 tuned 3 and 31/2 out. The benefits outweigh the loss in mpg for sure. I don't choke her at all on a cold start either, no lagging in low and mid RPMs. Best of luck no matter what you decide, but better to get the full kit first time around instead of buying another kit later down the road IMO. Plus, the stainless headers are sexy as fcuk mang...

June 17th, 2012, 02:33 PM	#9
ilovejesus ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250r Posts: 77	What's the difference? Which to get? http://www.areapnolimits.com/product...-Race-2008.php http://www.areapnolimits.com/product...-250R-2008.php

June 17th, 2012, 02:59 PM	#11
ilovejesus ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250r Posts: 77	What do you need with the Full Exhaust System? I know a Dyno Jet but which one exactly? ANd What else? Thanks

June 17th, 2012, 03:20 PM	#12
lgk ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300 Posts: A lot.	im pleased with my area p.

June 17th, 2012, 03:40 PM	#13
thurt88 ninjette.org guru Name: Tommy Location: Missouri Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Honda CRF250L, 2010 ninja 250r Posts: 413	Love the area p on my zx10 but I prefer my stock exhaust on my 250. Don't see any need to upgrade it because its purely cosmetic. Even the full exhaust only adds negligible power and for a 250, would you really feel the extra 3-5 ponies ?

June 17th, 2012, 05:29 PM	#17
PsHYk ninjette.org member Name: Pshyk Location: Fairbanks,AK Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012-250R Posts: 202	i cant say what i prefer and whats best since im new to this and like someone stated investing a lot of money on something that isnt gonna add too much hp because of how small of bike it is then you probably dont want to do the yoshi cus ive seen the prices on those when i was looking around and i wasnt about to pay that much for an exhaust system...and yoshi sound is nice though... i have a Jardine RT-5 its dickishly...Like that dont you @Jiggles ... loud in a way and it rumbles but its not bad and full system for 350 bucks isnt that bad a deal ya dig...

June 17th, 2012, 05:35 PM	#18
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	I have an Area P Quiet core and I love it. Nice sound but is not obnoxiously loud.

June 18th, 2012, 10:36 PM	#20
Midnight Runner ninjette.org member Name: Howard Location: Redondo Beach Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250R Posts: 20	I don't get it. Isn't it favorable for a motorcyclist to have a louder exhaust so that cars can hear you, and they're aware of you? On a car, I can understand not wanting it to be obnoxiously loud. On a bike, I'd rather be loud and alive.

June 18th, 2012, 10:38 PM	#21
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Loud Pipes Save Lives? __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

June 19th, 2012, 12:12 AM	#24
ilovejesus ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250r Posts: 77	Which of these has the best performance increase? http://www.areapnolimits.com/product...-250R-2008.php http://tyga-performance.com/site/pro...oducts_id=1788 Cuz everyone is saying Area P but the Tyga is cheaper and it says increase the Hp by 4.2 What's the Area P increase?

June 19th, 2012, 12:45 AM	#25
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Area P beats all __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

June 19th, 2012, 04:49 AM	#27
NJ Ninjette ninjette.org member Name: Joe Location: NJ Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R, 2007 Husky TE 250, 2002 KTM EXC 250r Posts: 217	All the full exhausts will give you roughly the same peak HP gain (+/- 20%) from all the research that I've done. There are minor differences in the power curves that could make one better then others for the street or track I guess. The biggest difference is in the looks, sound, loudness, and price. Put those things in the order of most importance to you and buy the one that fits the best. Or just get the one Jiggles wants you to buy, you can't go wrong, and he can get his comission check for pimping their system... __________________________________________________

September 12th, 2012, 12:31 AM	#32
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Bum for justice! __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

September 12th, 2012, 12:51 PM	#34
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	@Alex, would you mind adding in Tyga, Danmoto and Jardine __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

September 12th, 2012, 12:55 PM	#35
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	/added __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

September 13th, 2012, 04:18 AM	#36
msebastian ninjette.org guru Name: Michael Location: Dayton, Ohio Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R SE Posts: 262	I will provide my thoughts on the two more popular exhaust Area P and Yoshimura. Now most riders on here are pro Area P and stick to their guns. To be honest the dyno sheets that I looked at are not to far off between Area P and Yoshimura. The race version of Area P show 31.57 HP and Yoshimura show 30.37 so a 1.2 HP increase for the Area P. My thing is that you get that 1.2 extra HP at the cost of looks because the Area P exhaust looks like ass IMO. The Yoshi is still only the second best looking exhaust though as you did not mention the Scorpion Serket exhaust in your poll. The Scorpion has the best looks IMO but does not perform as well as the Yoshi or Area P. So for looks and power I would suggest the Yoshi all day.

September 13th, 2012, 04:29 AM	#37
msebastian ninjette.org guru Name: Michael Location: Dayton, Ohio Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R SE Posts: 262	Plus there are other things you can do to get a little more HP. A rejet is necessary of course with a full exhaust but maybe you can look into removing the air box and putting on some pods for filters. There will be no restrictions for air flow and allow the engine to make a little more power. Also remove the Kleen air system if you remove the air box, no extra HP benefit but it is more junk that can be removed from the engine.

September 14th, 2012, 06:31 PM	#38
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	10 for jardine? Wow. Maybe they couldn't hear the question? __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

September 15th, 2012, 11:55 PM	#39
Aggrotech ninjette.org sage Name: Justin Location: Fresno CA Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 12' Ninja 250 Posts: 831	I got approached by a dude with a growler...i did not find it loud one bit. i was in the parking lot that was a sidewalk away from the main road where he originally was. Whats the deal with everyone complaining about how loud the growler is..? the dude was over 8k rpm's on the road when he went right by me o.O

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