random rant

sombo · September 20th, 2009, 09:07 PM

Ok, I've been reading rider reviews on the ZZR600 and Katana 600 bikes and am disgusted by some of these people. It's amazing how many people out there think these bikes are beginner bikes and how many even think they (particularly the katana) are too slow and underpowered.

I did the math and the 250 is close to 13lb-1hp ratio. The Katana is about a 7.8lb-1hp and the ZZR600 is near 4.5lb-1hp in ratio. Somehow I don't see them as slow or underpowered. What is with the people in this country where a bike that isn't at 60mph 2secs after you twist the throttle is considered too slow?! Why do sooooooo many idiots out there feel that a bike HAS to be able to do 170mph+ in like 10secs in order for it to not be a "beginner bike"?!

/rant off

Ok, I feel better now. I just had to get that off my chest. Carry on.

backinthesaddleagain · September 21st, 2009, 05:54 AM

look at the Yam FZ6R. It is panned by the former racer turned magazine writer types. Heavier than a FZ6, less HP, narrower tire, and steel vs aluminum frame. But guess what - guys I know who have ridden them say they really ride nice on the street and better than any other Yam 600 for legal street use.

Nny · September 21st, 2009, 06:24 AM

It is a macho thing. Engine size directly relates to the size of your junk. It is an easy way to tell the ladies they are more than capable in other areas of their life without actually having to whi....oh nevermind.

/sarcasm off
/rant over

Lets just say +1 on your post.

adouglas · September 21st, 2009, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nny

It is a macho thing. Engine size is inversely proportional to the size of your junk.

Fixed it for ya.

At some point in life most of us realize that we don't need to impress anyone.

I think that's called "maturity."

It ain't the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

Nny · September 21st, 2009, 06:37 AM

Yeah thats what I was saying but it wouldnt flow with the sarcasm of the rest of my post.

Just look at it like this, someday these guys are going to start thinking with their brains. Someday they will learn it isnt all about going in a straight line really fast and there is alot more to riding than what they think.

Flashmonkey · September 21st, 2009, 12:47 PM

To some degree...yes, it is a macho thing....but to be honest, I think most of this is attributed to "bench racing". With the internet being a staple in most people's lives, everyone has immediate access to every single type of informational tid bit on anything, anywhere. When it comes specifically to motorcycles, a lot of people (especially non-riders or soon-to-be riders) like to pore over the most miniscule and idiotic magazine stats in order to feel more in tune with this activity, due to their lack of actual experience.

You'll find this anywhere really....car forums, bodybuilding forums....hell I was perusing through a "swords and medieval weapons" forum once, and saw similar arguments there. "Damascus steel vs Japanese steel"

Alex · September 21st, 2009, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flashmonkey

"Damascus steel vs Japanese steel"

What a noob. It's all about the titanium.

RaceBikeRentals · September 21st, 2009, 01:14 PM

Like I tell my fellow racers... "You have to really be secure with your manhood to race one of these things".

backinthesaddleagain · September 21st, 2009, 01:18 PM

What would be faster Brand A 600cc screamer with 120hp and 400lbs, or Brand B 600cc speedster with 115hp but 385 lbs? If one does the 1/4 mile in 11.50 sec @ 130 would that be a better choice than the other that does the 1/4 in 11.52 sec but @ 132 mph?

funny how magazine specs and real world differ based on rider. i was watching Pass Time the other night and a guy had an RC51. After wheelying and having to put a foot down he ran a mid 13's. Probably always telling his buddies how its an 11 second machine.

sombo · September 21st, 2009, 01:24 PM

Oh these weren't on forums or anything to do with racing. It was on a rider rating and review site I sometimes visit to see what the general public thinks of bikes out there and to see what sort of mechanical issues people are having. These are just idiots saying these bikes are too slow and underpowered on the street and they are only good for beginners. It's attitudes like these that are ruining the biker world in the states if you ask me.

The site I mentioned.

backinthesaddleagain · September 21st, 2009, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sombo

Oh these weren't on forums or anything to do with racing. It was on a rider rating and review site I sometimes visit to see what the general public thinks of bikes out there and to see what sort of mechanical issues people are having. These are just idiots saying these bikes are too slow and underpowered on the street and they are only good for beginners. It's attitudes like these that are ruining the biker world in the states if you ask me.

The site I mentioned.

no i know I just love the whole debate over minor details.

edwinmcq · September 21st, 2009, 01:29 PM

ZZR600? I just looked at one over the weekend. I thought it was great. Very comfortable and not throttle crazy.

Flashmonkey · September 21st, 2009, 01:32 PM

That's the thing, though....a lot of people writing reviews or comments on that type of site may be arguing semantics and bench racing as well. Some others are just trying to seem like experts by saying dumb things like "this is a beginner bike", when in reality, the ZZR600 is the former ZX-6R. I'd like to know how many of those posters actually have experience in the seat of a ZZR600.

sombo · September 21st, 2009, 01:34 PM

Well my issue is how many people are calling both bike A and B slow beginner bikes. I see that and think "are you on crack?!". I so wish this country would start a tiered license structure to force riders into smaller bikes.

I only say this in the hopes it would start changing the mentality of the bikers this country produces. Hopefully make them start respecting small bikes for what they're worth and realize that a 600 is NOT a beginner bike in any sense. It's like saying that a Ford Shelby GT 500 with turbo and nitrous is a beginner car. Just doesn't make sense.

backinthesaddleagain · September 21st, 2009, 01:36 PM

I like the ZZR 600 alot. Saw a nice black one a couple days ago with Akropovic c/f muffler. Great power, and nice ergos for the street. Keep in mine that in the US it was a carbed bike (4 of them). Carbs on my 250 dont bother me as I rode the bike year round, basically wasting money on stabil.

Flashmonkey · September 21st, 2009, 01:48 PM

I agree with you 100%, Mike. There's a serious attitude issue in North America regading this type of stuff.

The ZZR600 is such a great bike, and it was the bike I was originally targetting as my "upgrade" machine...I sat on a few and definitely liked the ergos.

gitoy · September 21st, 2009, 02:00 PM

i have been riding the 250 so much that i have neglected the zzr600...i think i'll take the zzr next time so it won't get jealous...

ninjabrewer · September 21st, 2009, 02:29 PM

I have taken guff from my co-workers about my 250, esp since I wear ATGATT to/from work, a distance of about 3 miles. Been asked when I am going to get a "big boy bike" and the like, they quit yanking my chain when I told them that the bigger the bike the smaller the, well you know what I mean.

nb

Jerry · September 21st, 2009, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjabrewer

I have taken guff from my co-workers about my 250, esp since I wear ATGATT to/from work, a distance of about 3 miles. Been asked when I am going to get a "big boy bike" and the like, they quit yanking my chain when I told them that the bigger the bike the smaller the, well you know what I mean.

nb

I usually just laugh and say..

"Do you really think I give a sh*t what you think about my bike?"

Smiling of course, it's all friendly banter...but true...but friendly...

ninjabrewer · September 21st, 2009, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry

I usually just laugh and say..

"Do you really think I give a sh*t what you think about my bike?"

Smiling of course, it's all friendly banter...but true...but friendly...

Good one, will have to try that.

nb

Sailariel · September 21st, 2009, 05:57 PM

I am on the Board of Directors of our local YMCA. This weekend the board is going on a retreat to define roles, etc. Eight board members have bikes and we plan to accompany the bus which the rest of the board will be riding in. There are 5 Harleys,1 BMW 1200 Dual Sport, 1Honda 600RR, and my Ninja. I will have no trouble keeping up and will probably burn much less gas in the four hour ride than the rest.

backinthesaddleagain · September 21st, 2009, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gitoy

i have been riding the 250 so much that i have neglected the zzr600...i think i'll take the zzr next time so it won't get jealous...

what are your thoughts on the zzr (around town, highway, 2 up, maintenance)?

gitoy · September 21st, 2009, 11:26 PM

i have 45,000 on 2 250s and 10,000 on the zzr...they are both put gas and ride...

yes, i ride the 250 more, why?...easier to ride in the technical roads and around town...also nothing like riding a slow bike fast...

the zzr is smoother, easier on the freeway, a point and shoot bike...

here is a review...
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/14february05_zzr600.htm

backinthesaddleagain · September 22nd, 2009, 09:07 AM

Thanks Gitoy.

Sailariel · October 21st, 2009, 06:24 PM

The ZZR is a great bike---absolutely superb on the interstates. Definitely not a beginner`s bike. I am always skeptical of what the press regards as a "beginners bike" The 250 Ninja is faster than a 60`s vintage Triumph Bonneville, 650 BSA, and will embarass a Norton 750. None of those bikes were considered beginners bikes. Technology has changed but people have not. When I cruise down the interstate at 70 and get alongside a Harley, I tell my wife that the Harley has an engine almost as big as the one in our car (we have an 1800cc engine) It`s all relative and opinion based. I, personally, do not think that the 250 Ninja is a beginner`s bike. I think that the Honda Rebel is a beginner`s bike and an EXCELLENT choice for a beginner. The 250 Yamaha Star and single cylinder Suzuki would also be an excellent choice. Labelling a contemporary 600cc Sportbike as a beginner`s bike is in my view, grossly irresponsible.

Greg_E · October 21st, 2009, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nny

Just look at it like this, someday these guys are going to start thinking with their brains. Someday they will learn it isnt all about going in a straight line really fast and there is alot more to riding than what they think.

And then they ride a Buell XB*R in a nice canyon that snakes around everywhere and you have almost exactly what they said about the 9R when it came out and the 12R when it came out.

LazinCajun · October 21st, 2009, 07:32 PM

I can't wait for the day that somebody calls a sport literbike "midsized."

Jerry · October 21st, 2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LazinCajun

I can't wait for the day that somebody calls a sport literbike "midsized."

Not apples to apples, but 1300cc's is considered a mid sized cruiser...
come to think of it a "large" sportbike is now 13-1400cc, no?

Banzai · October 23rd, 2009, 09:45 AM

It's like everything else here in America, we seem to think that sizes should start at "The biggest thing in the world" and move UP from there, and that "Bigger or more expensive is better"! This applies to everything in the current consumer market.

There was a time, not too long ago, when a 600cc sport bike was actually considdered a big bike.

backinthesaddleagain · October 23rd, 2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry

Not apples to apples, but 1300cc's is considered a mid sized cruiser...
come to think of it a "large" sportbike is now 13-1400cc, no?

i know what you mean on the cruisers. HD dealer once told me the non sportster engines are full size engines. 883 and 1200 I guess are small and midsized!

tjkamper · October 23rd, 2009, 10:06 AM

When you talk to people who don't ride, they act like a 600 sportbike is too small. When you talk to people who have been riding for years with < 1000 miles per year, they think anything less than 1000 CC is not enough bike. When you talk to people who ride almost daily with lots of experience, they think that a 600 sportbike is an amazing machine, and they recommend smaller bikes for beginners.

Also remember, that if a young guy in his early 20s walks into a dealer and starts to look at bikes, the sales person will tell him that he is going to be bored with a smaller bike and takes him straight over to the Litter bikes. If a guy in his 30s, 40s, 50s, 60's walks in and says he wants a 250 or a rebel, the sales guy sales a 250 or the rebel.

There is more money to be made on bigger bikes so the sales people convince gullable young people into spending more money and getting more bike than they should. But if a more experienced (older... I mean life experience) person is told that he can't buy what he wants, he will walk away and there is no money to be had.

Banzai · October 23rd, 2009, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjkamper

When you talk to people who don't ride, they act like a 600 sportbike is too small. When you talk to people who have been riding for years with < 1000 miles per year, they think anything less than 1000 CC is not enough bike. When you talk to people who ride almost daily with lots of experience, they think that a 600 sportbike is an amazing machine, and they recommend smaller bikes for beginners.

Very well said.

nate-bama · October 26th, 2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by backinthesaddleagain

What would be faster Brand A 600cc screamer with 120hp and 400lbs, or Brand B 600cc speedster with 115hp but 385 lbs? If one does the 1/4 mile in 11.50 sec @ 130 would that be a better choice than the other that does the 1/4 in 11.52 sec but @ 132 mph?

funny how magazine specs and real world differ based on rider. i was watching Pass Time the other night and a guy had an RC51. After wheelying and having to put a foot down he ran a mid 13's. Probably always telling his buddies how its an 11 second machine.

what a great show..did anyone see that 16 year old kid run the 08 busa???
9.2 stock except pipe with 17 miles on the odo

sombo · January 1st, 2010, 10:22 PM

Another random rant!!!!!

Ok, I don't get these fat arse cagers. I park my bike as close to the middle of a parking space as possible giving at least a good 3 feet between my bike and any car or truck in either space on either side.

HOWEVER...

For some reason, on more then one occasion and in more then one parking lot...
I'll come out to my bike get on and notice that someone has bumped one of my mirrors horribly out of place (usually the left one for some reason). I just don't get it, they have AT LEAST 3 feet of space yet somehow manage to knock my mirror out of place by at least a couple inches.

HOW FREAKING FAT AND CLUMSY ARE THESE IDIOTS?!!!!

Imagine if it was a car next them with no more then a foot of space. What sort of damage would they do to it if they are hitting my mirror from 3 feet away.

*takes a deep breath*

Ok, feel better now, always feels good to vent out frustrations and such.

ninja250 · January 1st, 2010, 11:38 PM

I think it depends on who you are.

If you've ridden other things in your life then a mellow 600 might not be such a bad beginner bike. My old SRAD 600 gsxr was pretty user friendly accept for the lack of maintenance the guy handed it over to me with. Only because I had ridden other stuff before though. I still almost killed myself several times. lol. I'd never ever in a million years hand a 600 over to say someone like my sister who's never ridden a motorcycle.

You park in the parking lot with cars? I stick mine in the bike rack or behind storefront pillars.

sombo · January 2nd, 2010, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja250

You park in the parking lot with cars? I stick mine in the bike rack or behind storefront pillars.

One, they don't let you park a motorcycle with the bike racks around here. I have thought of that though lol. As for pillars, around here it's safer to use the parking lot then be that close to the storefront and all the crazy reckless pedestrians.

And two, in most places around here, like my apartment complex and in downtown Orlando, you don't get much of a choice. Even one time in the motorcycle parking at my work, someone (another biker) bumped my mirror. That I let go since the bikes are so close to one another when it gets full like it was that day.

Other then that there are only a few places that have open areas where I can park w/o using regular parking spaces and not get in trouble.

silver_bullet · January 2nd, 2010, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adouglas

Fixed it for ya.

At some point in life most of us realize that we don't need to impress anyone.

I think that's called "maturity."

It ain't the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

So where's that leave me? I have a 600 and 250...so I'm inversely proportional to a 425cc?

In all reality I like the torque that my 600R puts out. I think the 250 is going to be my commuter this spring to college though. Better fuel milage and it'll do the speed limit just fine. I realized that it's a fun little bike that looks great and confuses many people on the size of the engine. I usually get asked if it's a 600.

250Rocket · January 4th, 2010, 12:28 PM

I believe this graph explains the phenomenon.

backinthesaddleagain · January 4th, 2010, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 250Rocket

I believe this graph explains the phenomenon.

So I am riding a 250, but should have a liter bike - damn!!

sixer · January 4th, 2010, 03:05 PM

I knew i should have bought a 125 -L

September 20th, 2009, 09:07 PM	#1
sombo Newb..... on a steeek! :D Name: Mike Location: Windermere, FL Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Harley Davidson XL883L Sportster Superlow Posts: A lot.	random rant Ok, I've been reading rider reviews on the ZZR600 and Katana 600 bikes and am disgusted by some of these people. It's amazing how many people out there think these bikes are beginner bikes and how many even think they (particularly the katana) are too slow and underpowered. I did the math and the 250 is close to 13lb-1hp ratio. The Katana is about a 7.8lb-1hp and the ZZR600 is near 4.5lb-1hp in ratio. Somehow I don't see them as slow or underpowered. What is with the people in this country where a bike that isn't at 60mph 2secs after you twist the throttle is considered too slow?! Why do sooooooo many idiots out there feel that a bike HAS to be able to do 170mph+ in like 10secs in order for it to not be a "beginner bike"?! /rant off Ok, I feel better now. I just had to get that off my chest. Carry on.

September 21st, 2009, 06:24 AM	#3
Nny ninjette.org member Name: Zach Location: Upstate NY Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Yamaha R6 (street), GSXR 750 (track) and a Harley FXDB Posts: 140	It is a macho thing. Engine size directly relates to the size of your junk. It is an easy way to tell the ladies they are more than capable in other areas of their life without actually having to whi....oh nevermind. /sarcasm off /rant over Lets just say +1 on your post. __________________________________________________ Previous rides: Ninja 650, Ninja 250, Goldwing and a Nightster

September 21st, 2009, 06:37 AM	#5
Nny ninjette.org member Name: Zach Location: Upstate NY Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Yamaha R6 (street), GSXR 750 (track) and a Harley FXDB Posts: 140	Yeah thats what I was saying but it wouldnt flow with the sarcasm of the rest of my post. Just look at it like this, someday these guys are going to start thinking with their brains. Someday they will learn it isnt all about going in a straight line really fast and there is alot more to riding than what they think. __________________________________________________ Previous rides: Ninja 650, Ninja 250, Goldwing and a Nightster

September 21st, 2009, 01:14 PM	#8
RaceBikeRentals Pimpin Name: Richard Location: Ninja 250 Whorehouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Bunch of em Posts: 973	Like I tell my fellow racers... "You have to really be secure with your manhood to race one of these things". __________________________________________________ -Richard MotoList.com <<<List your stuff!

September 21st, 2009, 01:29 PM	#12
edwinmcq ninjette.org member Name: Ed Location: Washington DC Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 157	ZZR600? I just looked at one over the weekend. I thought it was great. Very comfortable and not throttle crazy. __________________________________________________ www.edmcqueen.com

September 21st, 2009, 05:54 AM	#2
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	look at the Yam FZ6R. It is panned by the former racer turned magazine writer types. Heavier than a FZ6, less HP, narrower tire, and steel vs aluminum frame. But guess what - guys I know who have ridden them say they really ride nice on the street and better than any other Yam 600 for legal street use.

September 21st, 2009, 12:47 PM	#6
Flashmonkey Professional belly dancer Name: James Location: Toronto Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 1992 GSX-R 750 Posts: A lot.	To some degree...yes, it is a macho thing....but to be honest, I think most of this is attributed to "bench racing". With the internet being a staple in most people's lives, everyone has immediate access to every single type of informational tid bit on anything, anywhere. When it comes specifically to motorcycles, a lot of people (especially non-riders or soon-to-be riders) like to pore over the most miniscule and idiotic magazine stats in order to feel more in tune with this activity, due to their lack of actual experience. You'll find this anywhere really....car forums, bodybuilding forums....hell I was perusing through a "swords and medieval weapons" forum once, and saw similar arguments there. "Damascus steel vs Japanese steel"

September 21st, 2009, 01:18 PM	#9
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	What would be faster Brand A 600cc screamer with 120hp and 400lbs, or Brand B 600cc speedster with 115hp but 385 lbs? If one does the 1/4 mile in 11.50 sec @ 130 would that be a better choice than the other that does the 1/4 in 11.52 sec but @ 132 mph? funny how magazine specs and real world differ based on rider. i was watching Pass Time the other night and a guy had an RC51. After wheelying and having to put a foot down he ran a mid 13's. Probably always telling his buddies how its an 11 second machine.

September 21st, 2009, 01:24 PM	#10
sombo Newb..... on a steeek! :D Name: Mike Location: Windermere, FL Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Harley Davidson XL883L Sportster Superlow Posts: A lot.	Oh these weren't on forums or anything to do with racing. It was on a rider rating and review site I sometimes visit to see what the general public thinks of bikes out there and to see what sort of mechanical issues people are having. These are just idiots saying these bikes are too slow and underpowered on the street and they are only good for beginners. It's attitudes like these that are ruining the biker world in the states if you ask me. The site I mentioned.

September 21st, 2009, 01:32 PM	#13
Flashmonkey Professional belly dancer Name: James Location: Toronto Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 1992 GSX-R 750 Posts: A lot.	That's the thing, though....a lot of people writing reviews or comments on that type of site may be arguing semantics and bench racing as well. Some others are just trying to seem like experts by saying dumb things like "this is a beginner bike", when in reality, the ZZR600 is the former ZX-6R. I'd like to know how many of those posters actually have experience in the seat of a ZZR600.

September 21st, 2009, 01:34 PM	#14
sombo Newb..... on a steeek! :D Name: Mike Location: Windermere, FL Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Harley Davidson XL883L Sportster Superlow Posts: A lot.	Well my issue is how many people are calling both bike A and B slow beginner bikes. I see that and think "are you on crack?!". I so wish this country would start a tiered license structure to force riders into smaller bikes. I only say this in the hopes it would start changing the mentality of the bikers this country produces. Hopefully make them start respecting small bikes for what they're worth and realize that a 600 is NOT a beginner bike in any sense. It's like saying that a Ford Shelby GT 500 with turbo and nitrous is a beginner car. Just doesn't make sense.

September 21st, 2009, 01:36 PM	#15
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	I like the ZZR 600 alot. Saw a nice black one a couple days ago with Akropovic c/f muffler. Great power, and nice ergos for the street. Keep in mine that in the US it was a carbed bike (4 of them). Carbs on my 250 dont bother me as I rode the bike year round, basically wasting money on stabil.

September 21st, 2009, 01:48 PM	#16
Flashmonkey Professional belly dancer Name: James Location: Toronto Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 1992 GSX-R 750 Posts: A lot.	I agree with you 100%, Mike. There's a serious attitude issue in North America regading this type of stuff. The ZZR600 is such a great bike, and it was the bike I was originally targetting as my "upgrade" machine...I sat on a few and definitely liked the ergos.

September 21st, 2009, 02:00 PM	#17
gitoy ninjette.org guru Name: gitoy Location: rpv, ca Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 04 ninja 250, 05 zzr 600 (sold), 07 cbr600rr Posts: 319	i have been riding the 250 so much that i have neglected the zzr600...i think i'll take the zzr next time so it won't get jealous...

September 21st, 2009, 02:29 PM	#18
ninjabrewer dirty old man Name: Chris Location: Hazel Green, AL Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Blue '08 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	I have taken guff from my co-workers about my 250, esp since I wear ATGATT to/from work, a distance of about 3 miles. Been asked when I am going to get a "big boy bike" and the like, they quit yanking my chain when I told them that the bigger the bike the smaller the, well you know what I mean. nb __________________________________________________ Death tugs at my ear and says, "Live, I am coming." -Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr., poet, novelist, essayist, and physician (1809-1894) www.friendsofsanonofre.org

September 21st, 2009, 05:57 PM	#21
Sailariel ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Alex Location: Belfast, ME Join Date: Jul 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Honda NT-700-V, formerly, Green 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	I am on the Board of Directors of our local YMCA. This weekend the board is going on a retreat to define roles, etc. Eight board members have bikes and we plan to accompany the bus which the rest of the board will be riding in. There are 5 Harleys,1 BMW 1200 Dual Sport, 1Honda 600RR, and my Ninja. I will have no trouble keeping up and will probably burn much less gas in the four hour ride than the rest.

September 21st, 2009, 11:26 PM	#23
gitoy ninjette.org guru Name: gitoy Location: rpv, ca Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 04 ninja 250, 05 zzr 600 (sold), 07 cbr600rr Posts: 319	i have 45,000 on 2 250s and 10,000 on the zzr...they are both put gas and ride... yes, i ride the 250 more, why?...easier to ride in the technical roads and around town...also nothing like riding a slow bike fast... the zzr is smoother, easier on the freeway, a point and shoot bike... here is a review... http://www.motorcycledaily.com/14february05_zzr600.htm

September 22nd, 2009, 09:07 AM	#24
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	Thanks Gitoy.

October 21st, 2009, 06:24 PM	#25
Sailariel ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Alex Location: Belfast, ME Join Date: Jul 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Honda NT-700-V, formerly, Green 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	The ZZR is a great bike---absolutely superb on the interstates. Definitely not a beginner`s bike. I am always skeptical of what the press regards as a "beginners bike" The 250 Ninja is faster than a 60`s vintage Triumph Bonneville, 650 BSA, and will embarass a Norton 750. None of those bikes were considered beginners bikes. Technology has changed but people have not. When I cruise down the interstate at 70 and get alongside a Harley, I tell my wife that the Harley has an engine almost as big as the one in our car (we have an 1800cc engine) It`s all relative and opinion based. I, personally, do not think that the 250 Ninja is a beginner`s bike. I think that the Honda Rebel is a beginner`s bike and an EXCELLENT choice for a beginner. The 250 Yamaha Star and single cylinder Suzuki would also be an excellent choice. Labelling a contemporary 600cc Sportbike as a beginner`s bike is in my view, grossly irresponsible.

October 21st, 2009, 07:32 PM	#27
LazinCajun ninjette.org guru Name: Anon Location: Atlanta, GA Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 (Blue!) Posts: 488	I can't wait for the day that somebody calls a sport literbike "midsized."

October 23rd, 2009, 09:45 AM	#29
Banzai Psychic war veteran Name: Thomas Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Kawi Green '09 Ninja ZX6R Posts: 663	It's like everything else here in America, we seem to think that sizes should start at "The biggest thing in the world" and move UP from there, and that "Bigger or more expensive is better"! This applies to everything in the current consumer market. There was a time, not too long ago, when a 600cc sport bike was actually considdered a big bike. __________________________________________________ * If you're arguing with some idiot over the internet, chances are pretty good he's doing the same thing! Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction

October 23rd, 2009, 10:06 AM	#31
tjkamper ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Travis Location: Warwick, RI Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	When you talk to people who don't ride, they act like a 600 sportbike is too small. When you talk to people who have been riding for years with < 1000 miles per year, they think anything less than 1000 CC is not enough bike. When you talk to people who ride almost daily with lots of experience, they think that a 600 sportbike is an amazing machine, and they recommend smaller bikes for beginners. Also remember, that if a young guy in his early 20s walks into a dealer and starts to look at bikes, the sales person will tell him that he is going to be bored with a smaller bike and takes him straight over to the Litter bikes. If a guy in his 30s, 40s, 50s, 60's walks in and says he wants a 250 or a rebel, the sales guy sales a 250 or the rebel. There is more money to be made on bigger bikes so the sales people convince gullable young people into spending more money and getting more bike than they should. But if a more experienced (older... I mean life experience) person is told that he can't buy what he wants, he will walk away and there is no money to be had. __________________________________________________ Addicted to anything that has an engine and rolls.

January 1st, 2010, 10:22 PM	#34
sombo Newb..... on a steeek! :D Name: Mike Location: Windermere, FL Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Harley Davidson XL883L Sportster Superlow Posts: A lot.	Another random rant!!!!! Ok, I don't get these fat arse cagers. I park my bike as close to the middle of a parking space as possible giving at least a good 3 feet between my bike and any car or truck in either space on either side. HOWEVER... For some reason, on more then one occasion and in more then one parking lot... I'll come out to my bike get on and notice that someone has bumped one of my mirrors horribly out of place (usually the left one for some reason). I just don't get it, they have AT LEAST 3 feet of space yet somehow manage to knock my mirror out of place by at least a couple inches. HOW FREAKING FAT AND CLUMSY ARE THESE IDIOTS?!!!! Imagine if it was a car next them with no more then a foot of space. What sort of damage would they do to it if they are hitting my mirror from 3 feet away. takes a deep breath Ok, feel better now, always feels good to vent out frustrations and such.

January 1st, 2010, 11:38 PM	#35
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	I think it depends on who you are. If you've ridden other things in your life then a mellow 600 might not be such a bad beginner bike. My old SRAD 600 gsxr was pretty user friendly accept for the lack of maintenance the guy handed it over to me with. Only because I had ridden other stuff before though. I still almost killed myself several times. lol. I'd never ever in a million years hand a 600 over to say someone like my sister who's never ridden a motorcycle. You park in the parking lot with cars? I stick mine in the bike rack or behind storefront pillars.

January 4th, 2010, 12:28 PM	#38
250Rocket ninjette.org member Name: Rob Location: Montreal, Canada Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250R Posts: 171	I believe this graph explains the phenomenon. __________________________________________________ Back on the road again Season 2010 Dam it feels good!

January 4th, 2010, 03:05 PM	#40
sixer no joy Name: Six Location: Cali Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 2006 636 Posts: 408	I knew i should have bought a 125 -L

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