CCW/CPL on motorcycle - how do you carry?

headshrink · March 2nd, 2011, 07:41 PM

For those that have them, how do you carry on your Ninja?
I do NOT wish to start a political discussion, so lets all stay on topic please.

tiggen · March 2nd, 2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by headshrink

For those that have them, how do you carry on your Ninja?
I do NOT wish to start a political discussion, so lets all stay on topic please.

in a holster, small of the back.

jApOrMs · March 2nd, 2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by headshrink

For those that have them, how do you carry on your Ninja?
I do NOT wish to start a political discussion, so lets all stay on topic please.

I don't. I carry when I don't ride. Don't ask why. I just don't.

kkim · March 2nd, 2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by headshrink

I do NOT wish to start a political discussion, so lets all stay on topic please.

good luck with that happening. it always ends up the same way when this topic comes up.

headshrink · March 2nd, 2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kkim

good luck with that happening. it always ends up the same way when this topic comes up.

Hehe, good point. So far, so good though.

Momaru · March 2nd, 2011, 09:16 PM

Same as Tiggen; at the small of my back. Tried side and front, but I like my ribcage too much. Considering a swap to armpit, but not sure I like the fit of holsters I've tried. I accept it'll hurt like hell in a crash regardless of location and will take time to draw around a jacket, but I'm one of those people that believes in being prepared.

Indy250r · March 2nd, 2011, 09:22 PM

I've tried SOB (small of the back) with a Walther PPS, which is quite slim, but only holds six rounds. The setup is quite comfortable. I've also carried my regular full size S&W in a regular hip holster, open carry style. I don't like the thought of landing on it though. Another downside of that is you never know when you will encounter a cop that doesn't know the law and may freak out.

I think a shoulder harness, under the jacket would work best for me, but don't have the setup to try. I'd be interested in hearing from others how this method works.

I guess if you live in a really bad neighborhood, there's always this.

KURT · March 2nd, 2011, 09:26 PM

Right hip... under the jacket.

I'd like to try a shoulder holster, but I sweat nine months out of the year.

headshrink · March 2nd, 2011, 09:28 PM

Anyone try ankle?

Kolya1981 · March 2nd, 2011, 10:09 PM

I often just carry my BUG only in a pocket holster in my jacket's external side pocket when riding. Otherwise if I take my regular carry gun, same as I do when I'm off the bike, 4:30-ish in an IWB holster.

PsychoNinja · March 3rd, 2011, 11:09 AM

I've thought about this myself, but have thought that carrying in the small of your back or inner jacket pocket would be ideal.

HKr1 · March 3rd, 2011, 01:35 PM

My leathers fit too tight to bring a pistol along for the ride

Scarmack · March 3rd, 2011, 01:38 PM

Glock 27, Serpa Holster, Right hip, Roughly 3 O'clock.

darrell85 · March 3rd, 2011, 02:00 PM

when I'm riding I keep mine on my right ankle or in my jacket pocket. But usually I carry a small 22 when Im riding so it dont get in the way and isnt too bulky.

headshrink · March 3rd, 2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by darrell85

when I'm riding I keep mine on my right ankle .....

Is that on the outside, or inside and left-handed?

Instructor suggested tankbag.

Reswob · March 3rd, 2011, 05:42 PM

Same as always, C-TAC at 3:30-4:00. Be warned that unless your holster has some kind of active retention, if you go down your gun will fly out of the holster and skid into the middle of the intersection, causing witnesses to tell the police that someone just ran out into the street and picked up a gun. Also, it will sadly look like it's, well, just slid 100 feet across the pavement

OP, is this some kind of trick question? You're in Kommiefornia, you can barely own a firearm, much less carry it.

CZroe · March 3rd, 2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by headshrink

Is that on the outside, or inside and left-handed?

Instructor suggested tankbag.

I wouldn't trust it not to discharge in some random direction depending on what else is carried in there. Also, more vibrations will transmit than when carried on the human body. There's enough "mixing around" in my bag that I'd almost expect a holster to come unsnapped and the safety released with enough riding and ans some other random crap in there.

headshrink · March 3rd, 2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Reswob

OP, is this some kind of trick question? You're in Kommiefornia, you can barely own a firearm, much less carry it.

Hehe... you are very perceptive, and normally I too would assume the question was merely academic. However, hell hath frozen over, and there is a NEW sheriff in town.... literally.

EDIT: You Glock has some markings that don't look familiar.... is yours from out of the country?

bluepoof · March 3rd, 2011, 05:53 PM

Silly question from a non-gun owner -- are you ever afraid it'll go off while you're riding? Or is that physically impossible? I've only ever shot at ranges.

headshrink · March 3rd, 2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bluepoof

Silly question from a non-gun owner -- are you ever afraid it'll go off while you're riding? Or is that physically impossible? I've only ever shot at ranges.

Physically impossible. Guns sold in CA have to pass specific drop tests. Also, modern designs like Glock, Kahr, XD, etc. Keep their firing pin in a semi-cocked position, with a safety blocking it.... so it not only isn't under enough tension to fire, it can't physically pass through the breach to make contact with the primer. Good question though.

Reswob · March 3rd, 2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by headshrink

Hehe... you are very perceptive, and normally I too would assume the question was merely academic. However, hell hath frozen over, and there is a NEW sheriff in town.... literally.

EDIT: You Glock has some markings that don't look familiar.... is yours from out of the country?

It's from a batch Glock sent over a few years back when US-market ones were extremely scarce. It was originally intended for sale in Austria, hence the Vienna nitro proof markings. You'll also notice it only says "Made in Austria G L O C K GesmbH". The "GLOCK Inc., Smyrna GA" import marking is on the underside of the trigger guard.

CynicalC · March 3rd, 2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Reswob

OP, is this some kind of trick question? You're in Kommiefornia, you can barely own a firearm, much less carry it.

Actually it's not as bad as the extremists make it out to be.

Open carry is perfectly legal in ca except in restricted areas like school zones and post offices.

On a somewhat related note, I was on an atv ride once where some dope (off duty cop) was carrying. He went over backwards (which often happens) and his 600lb atv came down on top of him. Or rather it came down on his gun, which shattered his hip. He had to be airlifted out of the woods >_<

darrell85 · March 3rd, 2011, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headshrink

Is that on the outside, or inside and left-handed?

Instructor suggested tankbag.

on the outside, and right handed

CZroe · March 3rd, 2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CynicalC

Actually it's not as bad as the extremists make it out to be.

Open carry is perfectly legal in ca except in restricted areas like school zones and post offices.

On a somewhat related note, I was on an atv ride once where some dope (off duty cop) was carrying. He went over backwards (which often happens) and his 600lb atv came down on top of him. Or rather it came down on his gun, which shattered his hip. He had to be airlifted out of the woods >_<

Except that you will still be harassed and wrongfully denied entry nearly everywhere you go, legal or not.

headshrink · March 3rd, 2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CZroe

Except that you will still be harassed and wrongfully denied entry nearly everywhere you go, legal or not.

That is what I'm afraid of... more so by local LEO, ironically... strange culture here that is very polorized. People aren't used to, and MOST totally unaware of recent changes in this area. This is one reason I was interested in DEEP concealability on a bike.

EDIT: I realize I may be stepping on the line of my own request, sorry..... back to holsters

KURT · March 3rd, 2011, 09:58 PM

In Az, I can legally carry on my body, or in a storage location, in my vehicle (glove box, console, trunk, etc.) But I can't hide it in a non-standard location (like under the seat).

I wonder if securing a holster to the inside of the fairing, would be illegal as well? (Just a thought)

backinthesaddleagain · March 3rd, 2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headshrink

Physically impossible. Guns sold in CA have to pass specific drop tests. Also, modern designs like Glock, Kahr, XD, etc. Keep their firing pin in a semi-cocked position, with a safety blocking it.... so it not only isn't under enough tension to fire, it can't physically pass through the breach to make contact with the primer. Good question though.

Is the safety the small piece on the trigger or is there a traditional safety that that I don't see in the above picture?

headshrink · March 3rd, 2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by backinthesaddleagain

Is the safety the small piece on the trigger or is there a traditional safety that that I don't see in the above picture?

If you are referring to the picture above of the Glock, yes the piece on the trigger is a safety... one of three. The other two (firing pin and disconnecter, IIRC) are internal. Glocks, and other modern pistols of similar technology, are designed not to go boom when you don't pull the trigger, but also designed so that they do go boom when you need it to. They don't need other external safeties like traditional semi-autos with external hammers. This may sound strange if you aren't a shooter, but if you were, you would likely get why. I could say a whole lot more on that, both in design and philosophy, but that is the basic idea.

CynicalC · March 4th, 2011, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CZroe

Except that you will still be harassed and wrongfully denied entry nearly everywhere you go, legal or not.

You can't hold it against people, they're just sheep led by the media to believe that guns are evil and can go off by themselves killing crowds of people at any second. ESPECIALLY if theyre the "semi-automatic" kind they keep hearing about on the news.

As far as being "wrongfully denied entry", well US anti-discrimination law doesn't recognize gun owners as a protected class. So you can be asked to leave for having a gun on your belt, just like you can be for wearing a red shirt or talking on your cell phone.

tl;dr gun laws don't protect you from public ignorance.

kkim · March 4th, 2011, 01:45 AM

aw, crap... and so it begins... the slippery slope to a locked thread.

CynicalC · March 4th, 2011, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kkim

aw, crap... and so it begins... the slippery slope to a locked thread.

Ah sorry! I didn't mean ignorant to be insulting. The word by definition means uninformed, or without knowledge of. That's how I meant it. I just meant that people know very little about what's actually legal. And for people who have no interest in guns, they base their opinion of the matter almost wholly on what they see and hear in the media, which is only natural.

Btw, it might surprise you that I'm NOT a gun owner.

kkim · March 4th, 2011, 02:20 AM

I'm referring to what the OP requested and the direction this thread is now headed. Anytime discussions lead to differing views on guns, it never ends up well on this forum... or it hasn't in the past. maybe this will be a first?

CynicalC · March 4th, 2011, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kkim

I'm referring to what the OP requested and the direction this thread is now headed. Anytime discussions lead to differing views on guns, it never ends up well on this forum... or it hasn't in the past. maybe this will be a first?

Eh, I wouldn't lock a thread until there was some serious name calling going on. Even then, I'd probably just delete the offending comments and give the posters a warning. No reason to punish the OP for other peoples rudeness.

Anyway this still looks like a pretty normal discussion to me!

/hijacking

Scarmack · March 4th, 2011, 06:36 AM

I CC everyday, when I ride I OC. Its a personal choice.

Alex · March 4th, 2011, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CynicalC

Eh, I wouldn't lock a thread until there was some serious name calling going on. Even then, I'd probably just delete the offending comments and give the posters a warning.

OK.

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Originally Posted by CynicalC

You can't hold it against people, they're just sheep led by the media

You're warned.

highpsiguy · March 4th, 2011, 08:04 AM

I have carried for over 20 years. Riding on a bike and carrying is not always so easy. I think same rules apply to normal carry. I may just carry a smaller framed gun.

Scarmack · March 4th, 2011, 08:06 AM

This reminds me of the How do you go to the bathroom while carrying threads hahah

headshrink · March 4th, 2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarmack

This reminds me of the How do you go to the bathroom while carrying threads hahah

Funny you mention that, because I share a complex with a division of the CHP. It is a very real and practical consideration not to be seen "dangling" around the ankles under a stall, and/or these guys are trained to spot things you could get by most of the other tenants. All legal mind you, but the whole idea of concealed is... concealed. Best not to attract attention, even friendly attention.

My thought on carrying specifically during commute only is that it may be more difficult to draw, than split in an emergency..... off the bike is another story, or even on longer rides maybe, but short door to door 20 min. rides sounds like a pain. I don't know.... those are just my thoughts.

Havok · March 4th, 2011, 09:00 AM

As far as I know CA law states that any conciled weapon transported in a vehicle must he transported in a locked case. As in you can't have it in a holster on you as you ride or drive.

As for open carry it is legal in CA but the gun must be unloaded. So you can't have the clip or bullets in it.

Scarmack · March 4th, 2011, 09:02 AM

In PA, you need a LTCF (License to carrry a firearm) to transport a weapon via a vehicle, car, bike, jet ski, etc. OC is legal just frowned upon haha

March 2nd, 2011, 07:41 PM	#1
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	CCW/CPL on motorcycle - how do you carry? For those that have them, how do you carry on your Ninja? I do NOT wish to start a political discussion, so lets all stay on topic please. __________________________________________________ Honda Interceptor VFR800 DLX (2014, 8th gen) Honda CBR500r (2014) - FOR SALE Kawi Ninja 250r (2008) - Restored and passed-down within family, only to be abandoned

March 2nd, 2011, 09:16 PM	#6
Momaru ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paul Location: Roanoke, VA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Candy Plasma Blue 250R Posts: A lot.	Same as Tiggen; at the small of my back. Tried side and front, but I like my ribcage too much. Considering a swap to armpit, but not sure I like the fit of holsters I've tried. I accept it'll hurt like hell in a crash regardless of location and will take time to draw around a jacket, but I'm one of those people that believes in being prepared. __________________________________________________ Proud member of the Blue Army

March 2nd, 2011, 09:28 PM	#9
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	Anyone try ankle? __________________________________________________ Honda Interceptor VFR800 DLX (2014, 8th gen) Honda CBR500r (2014) - FOR SALE Kawi Ninja 250r (2008) - Restored and passed-down within family, only to be abandoned

March 2nd, 2011, 10:09 PM	#10
Kolya1981 Generic User Title Name: Nick Location: PA, USA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): Green 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, Slate 2009 Triumph StreetTriple R Posts: 110	I often just carry my BUG only in a pocket holster in my jacket's external side pocket when riding. Otherwise if I take my regular carry gun, same as I do when I'm off the bike, 4:30-ish in an IWB holster. __________________________________________________ 2008 Ninja 250R Kawi Green - Bikelitez Fiberglass Undertail w/LED Turn Signals, Carbon Fiber Tank Protector 2009 Triumph StreetTriple R Matte Graphite - Arrow Titanium Exhaust, Belly Pan

March 3rd, 2011, 11:09 AM	#11
PsychoNinja Ninja Dog Name: Brady Location: Sunset, UT Join Date: Dec 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-14 Posts: 186	I've thought about this myself, but have thought that carrying in the small of your back or inner jacket pocket would be ideal. __________________________________________________ ALL YOUR NINJA ARE BELONG TO US!

March 2nd, 2011, 09:22 PM	#7
Indy250r ninjette.org member Name: Brad Location: Indiana Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2011 KTM 990 ADV Posts: 234	I've tried SOB (small of the back) with a Walther PPS, which is quite slim, but only holds six rounds. The setup is quite comfortable. I've also carried my regular full size S&W in a regular hip holster, open carry style. I don't like the thought of landing on it though. Another downside of that is you never know when you will encounter a cop that doesn't know the law and may freak out. I think a shoulder harness, under the jacket would work best for me, but don't have the setup to try. I'd be interested in hearing from others how this method works. I guess if you live in a really bad neighborhood, there's always this.

March 2nd, 2011, 09:26 PM	#8
KURT Resident Old Guy Name: Kurt Location: Goodyear, Az Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): sold Posts: 264	Right hip... under the jacket. I'd like to try a shoulder holster, but I sweat nine months out of the year.

March 3rd, 2011, 01:35 PM	#12
HKr1 IC2(SW) Name: Kerry Location: Pensacola Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot.	My leathers fit too tight to bring a pistol along for the ride

March 3rd, 2011, 01:38 PM	#13
Scarmack ninjette.org member Name: Sean Location: Sharpsville, PA Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: 99	Glock 27, Serpa Holster, Right hip, Roughly 3 O'clock.

March 3rd, 2011, 02:00 PM	#14
darrell85 darrell85 Name: darrell Location: vandalia Mo. Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2001 250 ninja Posts: 91	when I'm riding I keep mine on my right ankle or in my jacket pocket. But usually I carry a small 22 when Im riding so it dont get in the way and isnt too bulky.

March 3rd, 2011, 05:42 PM	#16
Reswob ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Richmond VA Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Triumph Bonneville Black Posts: 627	Same as always, C-TAC at 3:30-4:00. Be warned that unless your holster has some kind of active retention, if you go down your gun will fly out of the holster and skid into the middle of the intersection, causing witnesses to tell the police that someone just ran out into the street and picked up a gun. Also, it will sadly look like it's, well, just slid 100 feet across the pavement OP, is this some kind of trick question? You're in Kommiefornia, you can barely own a firearm, much less carry it. __________________________________________________ '08 Bonneville Black sold->'08 Ninja 250R \| OES Swingarm Spools \| EBC HH brake pads \| reflector delete \| no-cut brake light modulator \| DIY fender eliminator

March 3rd, 2011, 05:53 PM	#19
bluepoof ninjette.org sage Name: Carolyn Location: San Carlos, CA Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250, 2002 Yamaha XT225 Posts: 597	Silly question from a non-gun owner -- are you ever afraid it'll go off while you're riding? Or is that physically impossible? I've only ever shot at ranges. __________________________________________________ www.bluepoof.com

March 3rd, 2011, 09:58 PM	#26
KURT Resident Old Guy Name: Kurt Location: Goodyear, Az Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): sold Posts: 264	In Az, I can legally carry on my body, or in a storage location, in my vehicle (glove box, console, trunk, etc.) But I can't hide it in a non-standard location (like under the seat). I wonder if securing a holster to the inside of the fairing, would be illegal as well? (Just a thought)

March 4th, 2011, 01:45 AM	#30
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	aw, crap... and so it begins... the slippery slope to a locked thread.

March 4th, 2011, 02:20 AM	#32
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	I'm referring to what the OP requested and the direction this thread is now headed. Anytime discussions lead to differing views on guns, it never ends up well on this forum... or it hasn't in the past. maybe this will be a first?

March 4th, 2011, 06:36 AM	#34
Scarmack ninjette.org member Name: Sean Location: Sharpsville, PA Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: 99	I CC everyday, when I ride I OC. Its a personal choice.

March 4th, 2011, 08:04 AM	#36
highpsiguy ninjette.org guru Name: Kevin Location: Athens Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 1981 Honda Cx500 Custom, 2002 Ninja 250 Posts: 289 Blog Entries: 1	I have carried for over 20 years. Riding on a bike and carrying is not always so easy. I think same rules apply to normal carry. I may just carry a smaller framed gun. __________________________________________________ "Rudeness is a weak persons attempt at strength."

March 4th, 2011, 08:06 AM	#37
Scarmack ninjette.org member Name: Sean Location: Sharpsville, PA Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: 99	This reminds me of the How do you go to the bathroom while carrying threads hahah

March 4th, 2011, 09:00 AM	#39
Havok Internet Slut Name: Jeff Location: L.A. Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 04 FZ1, 07 FZ6 Posts: A lot.	As far as I know CA law states that any conciled weapon transported in a vehicle must he transported in a locked case. As in you can't have it in a holster on you as you ride or drive. As for open carry it is legal in CA but the gun must be unloaded. So you can't have the clip or bullets in it.

March 4th, 2011, 09:02 AM	#40
Scarmack ninjette.org member Name: Sean Location: Sharpsville, PA Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: 99	In PA, you need a LTCF (License to carrry a firearm) to transport a weapon via a vehicle, car, bike, jet ski, etc. OC is legal just frowned upon haha

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