Group buy on proven 415 chain/sprocket setup!!!

Order · May 9th, 2011, 02:04 PM

So here is the deal, I want a 415 chain/sprocket setup but it has to be a group buy so I'm hoping others here will buy into it. One of my sponsors will order if they can get ~8 orders.

This sprocket setup is race proven by tim61 on here. He's won all (4) 250 races with WMRRA this year. I believe the sprocket ratio is close to what you'd get with the stock 520 setup.

If you're interested, buy in and once ~8 are ordered they'll make a single order: http://www.aftermarketcycles.com/str...ocket-set.html

EDIT: This setup requires the 415 chain, I highly suggest buying the 140 link chain! Otherwise you'll need to order 2 415 link chains from another site as they're only 120 links and rivet them together. It's cheaper/easier to purchase the 140 link chain.

Nemesis · May 9th, 2011, 02:21 PM

I'm in!

Kevin2109 · May 9th, 2011, 03:21 PM

Dont want to sound ignorant here.... But I've been looking into changing out my sprockets. What is this 415 set up? Would you recommend it for city riding?

Thanks guys

farter · May 9th, 2011, 05:03 PM

Do you know the tensile strength of the chain?

Order · May 9th, 2011, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farter

Do you know the tensile strength of the chain?

From what I've found online I believe this to be true; "Average tensile strength is 4,090lbs."

tim61 · May 9th, 2011, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farter

Do you know the tensile strength of the chain?

I wouldn't worry about manufacturer claims for tensile strength. I have been running the best 428 available on my 175, and it stretches like mad and wears out quickly. 2 race weekends, and 2 track days on my 250 with the 415 and the only time I adjusted the chain was when I changed tires! And the manufacturer claims the 428 has a higher tensile strength than the 415...But then, if you think about it, 125GP bikes are running 415. In interenational trim they are making probably 55hp, and when they come on the pipe, they come on hard. And they pretty much never break chains...

I really love this set up on my 250 racer. It saves about 3 lbs. or so, and the rear wheel spins like a bicycle. Free horsepower!!! Thats what I'm talkin' about!!!

TimO

Order · May 9th, 2011, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

Dont want to sound ignorant here.... But I've been looking into changing out my sprockets. What is this 415 set up? Would you recommend it for city riding?

Thanks guys

Custom front/rear sprockets to allow the use of a 415 chain setup. This reduces rotating mass by ~3lbs as Tim wrote. No idea about city riding.

Order · May 9th, 2011, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

I'm in!

Woohoo! Spread the word...

tim61 · May 9th, 2011, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

Dont want to sound ignorant here.... But I've been looking into changing out my sprockets. What is this 415 set up? Would you recommend it for city riding?

Thanks guys

Probably not, unless you are really anal about cleaning and maintaining your chain. The 415ER is a non o-ring chain, so it likely will not do well if ignored.

TimO

Kevin2109 · May 9th, 2011, 07:54 PM

Ok thanks guys

sowega · May 9th, 2011, 08:10 PM

I'm in.

Order · May 9th, 2011, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sowega

I'm in.

Remember anyone who wants one needs to purchase via the link above, once enough people have the orders will be placed! I'll check with him in a few days to see how many have ordered.

Having seen this setup in action and the wheel spin, it's crazy why anyone wouldn't run this setup on the track.

Rexbo · May 10th, 2011, 09:18 AM

I'll order it tonite!

dino74 · May 10th, 2011, 09:39 AM

FYI: Tim61's thread on this conversion.

Nemesis · May 10th, 2011, 10:04 AM

For those who have ordered already please post up.

I'll place my order tonight as well.

So if we get 8+ peeps how much of a discount are we looking at?

Rexbo · May 11th, 2011, 12:41 PM

ordered!

sowega · May 11th, 2011, 02:53 PM

Just ordered mine.

kogary · May 11th, 2011, 03:15 PM

Okay, sorry in advance for the newb question, but as far as sprocket ratios go, is this pretty close to stock? Is this setup more so geared for short tracks or high speed tracks (e.g., would I start getting close to running out of gear on HPR's back straight away)?

Thanks!
-Gary

ztrack157 · May 11th, 2011, 05:40 PM

Gary with the ratio on this setup you would likely not run out of gear. its like running a 44.5 (if it existed) rear sprocket with the stock front.

Order · May 11th, 2011, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztrack157

Gary with the ratio on this setup you would likely not run out of gear. its like running a 44.5 (if it existed) rear sprocket with the stock front.

sowega · May 11th, 2011, 06:47 PM

What manufacturer/length chain are you using?

Rexbo · May 11th, 2011, 07:12 PM

hope its just not another online scam... tired of those

Order · May 11th, 2011, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexbo

hope its just not another online scam... tired of those

Not a scam, it's legit! The link to Aftermarket Cycles has Tim's (tim61 on here) bike with the Aftermarket Cycles logo on his bike with photos of the chain/sprockets on the bike!

I have plenty of posts here, on Kawi forums under the handle 'Order' and I post on my racing blog www.RacingOrder.com

After scouring the internet for a 415/428 setup for the 250R's and finding little to nothing. Tim did all the ground work/testing and offered up all the data for a sponsor to put together kits to sell. Since I really want one, I'm hoping others do too so I can get mine! I intend on doing a full writeup on my blog once I get it since I've been racing a 520 setup.

Nemesis · May 11th, 2011, 10:13 PM

Okay, I'm about to order this but I'm confused. If the group buy is directly to the e-commerce site where any individual can order and expect the product why do we need 8 peeps? And what happens if we don't get 8 peeps? No product? So we all get a refund?

And who is this "one of my sponsors"? Is it Aftermarket Cycles?

Dumb question here: Do I have to order the 140 links chain as well? I currently have the DID 520 Gold ERV3.

Sorry for the stupid questions but I'm lost on this group buy. I don't want to drop $166 and expect no product and fight to get my money back.

Order · May 11th, 2011, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Okay, I'm about to order this but I'm confused. If the group buy is directly to the e-commerce site where any individual can order and expect the product why do we need 8 peeps? And what happens if we don't get 8 peeps? No product? So we all get a refund?

And who is this "one of my sponsors"? Is it Aftermarket Cycles?

Dumb question here: Do I have to order the 140 links chain as well? I currently have the DID 520 Gold ERV3.

Sorry for the stupid questions but I'm lost on this group buy. I don't want to drop $166 and expect no product and fight to get my money back.

I just called Mark @ Aftermarket Cycles (that's the sponsor) to verify and he said no one will be charged until he has enough orders come in. If you have any questions you can contact him directly @ 586-524-7888.

Not a dumb question; you need to order the 140 chain as well, UNLESS you're going to buy 2 415 DID chains and rivet them together as they're not long enough if you only buy 1 online from other sites! I believe they're only 120 links each and that's TOO SHORT, so it's cheaper/easier/better to buy it with the sprockets.

Nemesis · May 11th, 2011, 11:06 PM

Gotcha. Thanks man.

I'll place an order but why does he have the product up on his site for purchase to begin with? Doesn't make sense. Sorry...I'm just thinking out loud here. LOL

EDIT: Order placed.

Order · May 11th, 2011, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Gotcha. Thanks man.

I'll place an order but why does he have the product up on his site for purchase to begin with? Doesn't make sense. Sorry...I'm just thinking out loud here. LOL

Because he can easily put orders on "hold" until enough people order so he can place it. It's more professional to order through a website vs. any other method I can think of. I'm always leery of the typical; "Hey I have a great deal everyone paypal me $$$ and when I have enough people I'll order and send it to everyone..." -- that's sketchy, this way is far more safe/professional.

Bueller999 · May 12th, 2011, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kogary

Okay, sorry in advance for the newb question, but as far as sprocket ratios go, is this pretty close to stock? Is this setup more so geared for short tracks or high speed tracks (e.g., would I start getting close to running out of gear on HPR's back straight away)?

Thanks!
-Gary

Gary, I ran a 47 in the rear at HPR and hit 88 down the back straight, changed back to stock 45 and picked up 2 mph and did not run out of motor but I also liked the stock ratio around the rest of the track better.

They had a radar gun out there and the Ninja's were all around the 90 mph range with one @ 94.

Order · May 12th, 2011, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bueller999

Gary, I ran a 47 in the rear at HPR and hit 88 down the back straight, changed back to stock 45 and picked up 2 mph and did not run out of motor but I also liked the stock ratio around the rest of the track better.

They had a radar gun out there and the Ninja's were all around the 90 mph range with one @ 94.

I'm pretty sure Tim's bike according to his GPS topped out @ 102mph.

Bueller999 · May 12th, 2011, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Order

I'm pretty sure Tim's bike according to his GPS topped out @ 102mph.

@ HPR?

We have full intact airboxes w/snorkel, pump fuel spec class racing @ 5000'

Order · May 12th, 2011, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bueller999

@ HPR?

We have full intact airboxes w/snorkel, pump fuel spec class racing @ 5000'

@ Pacific Raceways

We're running pump fuel, no snorkel, jetted, full pipe.

My GPS claims I hit 102mph as well, but I'm only 150lbs.

Nemesis · May 12th, 2011, 11:14 AM

So we have 4 guys who ordered and need 4 more.

C'mon guys...jump on the band wagon or is it off the band wagon. I always get those mixed up. LOL!

So is there a deadline or is this gonna be a ongoing forever dragging until we get 8?

Order · May 12th, 2011, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

So we have 4 guys who ordered and need 4 more.

C'mon guys...jump on the band wagon or is it off the band wagon. I always get those mixed up. LOL!

So is there a deadline or is this gonna be a ongoing forever dragging until we get 8?

I posted on Kawiforums to see if a few of those guys jump onboard.

There isn't a deadline, but it didn't take too long to round up 4 so I hope it won't take much longer for the rest.

I'm certain once everyone gets their setup and realizes it's the real deal everyone who tracks/races will want it!

Nemesis · May 13th, 2011, 07:50 AM

Damn...I paid through Paypal and got charged.

No worries, I'll file a dispute if this doesn't go through in 2 weeks.

dino74 · May 13th, 2011, 08:08 AM

Can you run the 415 chain in the rain? Just wondering for that occasional track day when the sky is pouring.

tim61 · May 14th, 2011, 08:49 AM

The gearing listed works real well on our track. I run a 150 rear and hit 102.5mph according to my GPX. I think I could possibly run one tooth smaller, but if you didn't get a perfect drive off every corner, it would probably slow you down.

The chain I am using is a D.I.D. 415ER. I am not sure which chain Mark is planning on selling with the "kit", as we are limited by readily available lengths. These chains are intended for RS125 and TZ125 applications, so they only come ina 120 pin length. It takes 138 pins for our bikes, so you end up needing 2 chains to make one. That gets a little spendy, as the chains are about $65 or $70 each. I know Mark is turning over every rock trying to find 140 pin length on a high quality chain for these kits. But, at worse, he is going to buy extra chains and assemble 140 pin chains himself in order to save you money on this kit.

I run mine in the rain without any problems. But, I take very good care of my chain. I clean it and lube it at the end of every race day. It is time consuming and makes a big mess when cleaning, but I feel it is worth it to have access to ALL available horsepower. The local suspension guru tells me Motorex chain cleaner and Motorex or Silkolene lube are the hot ticket. That is what I am using, and so far, no wear that I can detect.

Turn around on your orders is not really dependant on Aftermarket Cycles as much as it is on the supplier making the sprockets. And that supplier is limited by how quickly he can get the countershaft sprockets back from being case hardenend. So, I hope everyone will be patient while these are being made. In my opinion, the set-up is well worth the wait!

TimO

tim61 · May 14th, 2011, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bueller999

@ HPR?

We have full intact airboxes w/snorkel, pump fuel spec class racing @ 5000'

Might want to think about ordering a 55 rear and a 17 front as well. When I did the prototype set-up, I ordered these as extras, as in my experience at Miller, I will need the 17 front to make up for the HP I lose at altitude.

TimO

Order · May 15th, 2011, 10:46 PM

2 more and the order gets placed!!

Nemesis · May 24th, 2011, 11:21 AM

I'm giving this till June 1st and if it doesn't happen I'm disputing my charges.

Once you guys get 7 peeps let me know and I'll replace my order.

Order · May 24th, 2011, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

I'm giving this till June 1st and if it doesn't happen I'm disputing my charges.

Once you guys get 7 peeps let me know and I'll replace my order.

When I spoke to Mark he'll refund anyone for any reason, no problem.

But I really hope a few more get on board with this, for as many threads I've found about the better chain/sprocket setup for these 250's I'm surprised more people haven't ordered.

May 9th, 2011, 02:04 PM	#1
Order ninjette.org member Name: Adam Location: Washington Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R (race), 01 Ninja ZX6R (race), 00 Ninja ZX6R (street), 03 R6 (race) Posts: 68	Group buy on proven 415 chain/sprocket setup!!! So here is the deal, I want a 415 chain/sprocket setup but it has to be a group buy so I'm hoping others here will buy into it. One of my sponsors will order if they can get ~8 orders. This sprocket setup is race proven by tim61 on here. He's won all (4) 250 races with WMRRA this year. I believe the sprocket ratio is close to what you'd get with the stock 520 setup. If you're interested, buy in and once ~8 are ordered they'll make a single order: http://www.aftermarketcycles.com/str...ocket-set.html EDIT: This setup requires the 415 chain, I highly suggest buying the 140 link chain! Otherwise you'll need to order 2 415 link chains from another site as they're only 120 links and rivet them together. It's cheaper/easier to purchase the 140 link chain. Last futzed with by Order; May 11th, 2011 at 10:36 PM.

May 11th, 2011, 05:40 PM	#19
ztrack157 The Sportisi Master Name: Matt Location: Chico Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.	Gary with the ratio on this setup you would likely not run out of gear. its like running a 44.5 (if it existed) rear sprocket with the stock front. __________________________________________________ Sportisimoto USA is born.

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May 9th, 2011, 02:21 PM	#2
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	I'm in!

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Kevin2109 KThanksBye Name: Kevin Location: Orange County Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 zx636r Posts: A lot.	Dont want to sound ignorant here.... But I've been looking into changing out my sprockets. What is this 415 set up? Would you recommend it for city riding? Thanks guys

May 9th, 2011, 05:03 PM	#4
farter ninjette.org newbie Name: Steve M. Polychronopolous Location: living in America Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Myagi turbo Posts: 4	Do you know the tensile strength of the chain?

May 9th, 2011, 07:54 PM	#10
Kevin2109 KThanksBye Name: Kevin Location: Orange County Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 zx636r Posts: A lot.	Ok thanks guys

May 9th, 2011, 08:10 PM	#11
sowega ninjette.org guru Name: Ed Location: Atlanta, GA Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 899, 748, 250, 250, 70 Posts: 348	I'm in.

May 10th, 2011, 09:18 AM	#13
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	I'll order it tonite!

May 10th, 2011, 09:39 AM	#14
dino74 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: dino Location: Oceanside, Ca Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 250 Street, '09 250 Race, '13 300 Race Posts: A lot.	FYI: Tim61's thread on this conversion.

May 10th, 2011, 10:04 AM	#15
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	For those who have ordered already please post up. I'll place my order tonight as well. So if we get 8+ peeps how much of a discount are we looking at?

May 11th, 2011, 12:41 PM	#16
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	ordered!

May 11th, 2011, 02:53 PM	#17
sowega ninjette.org guru Name: Ed Location: Atlanta, GA Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 899, 748, 250, 250, 70 Posts: 348	Just ordered mine.

May 11th, 2011, 03:15 PM	#18
kogary ninjette.org member Name: Gary Location: CO Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 66	Okay, sorry in advance for the newb question, but as far as sprocket ratios go, is this pretty close to stock? Is this setup more so geared for short tracks or high speed tracks (e.g., would I start getting close to running out of gear on HPR's back straight away)? Thanks! -Gary

May 11th, 2011, 06:47 PM	#21
sowega ninjette.org guru Name: Ed Location: Atlanta, GA Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 899, 748, 250, 250, 70 Posts: 348	What manufacturer/length chain are you using?

May 11th, 2011, 07:12 PM	#22
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	hope its just not another online scam... tired of those

May 11th, 2011, 10:13 PM	#24
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	Okay, I'm about to order this but I'm confused. If the group buy is directly to the e-commerce site where any individual can order and expect the product why do we need 8 peeps? And what happens if we don't get 8 peeps? No product? So we all get a refund? And who is this "one of my sponsors"? Is it Aftermarket Cycles? Dumb question here: Do I have to order the 140 links chain as well? I currently have the DID 520 Gold ERV3. Sorry for the stupid questions but I'm lost on this group buy. I don't want to drop $166 and expect no product and fight to get my money back.

May 11th, 2011, 11:06 PM	#26
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	Gotcha. Thanks man. I'll place an order but why does he have the product up on his site for purchase to begin with? Doesn't make sense. Sorry...I'm just thinking out loud here. LOL EDIT: Order placed.

May 12th, 2011, 11:14 AM	#32
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	So we have 4 guys who ordered and need 4 more. C'mon guys...jump on the band wagon or is it off the band wagon. I always get those mixed up. LOL! So is there a deadline or is this gonna be a ongoing forever dragging until we get 8?

May 13th, 2011, 07:50 AM	#34
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	Damn...I paid through Paypal and got charged. No worries, I'll file a dispute if this doesn't go through in 2 weeks.

May 13th, 2011, 08:08 AM	#35
dino74 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: dino Location: Oceanside, Ca Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 250 Street, '09 250 Race, '13 300 Race Posts: A lot.	Can you run the 415 chain in the rain? Just wondering for that occasional track day when the sky is pouring.

May 14th, 2011, 08:49 AM	#36
tim61 ninjette.org member Name: Tim Location: Seattle, WA Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 78 Ducati 900SD Darmah, 74 Yamaha TA125, 71 Honda CL175 , 78 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport, 09 Kaw 250R, 08 KLR650 Posts: 45	The gearing listed works real well on our track. I run a 150 rear and hit 102.5mph according to my GPX. I think I could possibly run one tooth smaller, but if you didn't get a perfect drive off every corner, it would probably slow you down. The chain I am using is a D.I.D. 415ER. I am not sure which chain Mark is planning on selling with the "kit", as we are limited by readily available lengths. These chains are intended for RS125 and TZ125 applications, so they only come ina 120 pin length. It takes 138 pins for our bikes, so you end up needing 2 chains to make one. That gets a little spendy, as the chains are about $65 or $70 each. I know Mark is turning over every rock trying to find 140 pin length on a high quality chain for these kits. But, at worse, he is going to buy extra chains and assemble 140 pin chains himself in order to save you money on this kit. I run mine in the rain without any problems. But, I take very good care of my chain. I clean it and lube it at the end of every race day. It is time consuming and makes a big mess when cleaning, but I feel it is worth it to have access to ALL available horsepower. The local suspension guru tells me Motorex chain cleaner and Motorex or Silkolene lube are the hot ticket. That is what I am using, and so far, no wear that I can detect. Turn around on your orders is not really dependant on Aftermarket Cycles as much as it is on the supplier making the sprockets. And that supplier is limited by how quickly he can get the countershaft sprockets back from being case hardenend. So, I hope everyone will be patient while these are being made. In my opinion, the set-up is well worth the wait! TimO

May 15th, 2011, 10:46 PM	#38
Order ninjette.org member Name: Adam Location: Washington Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R (race), 01 Ninja ZX6R (race), 00 Ninja ZX6R (street), 03 R6 (race) Posts: 68	2 more and the order gets placed!!

May 24th, 2011, 11:21 AM	#39
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	I'm giving this till June 1st and if it doesn't happen I'm disputing my charges. Once you guys get 7 peeps let me know and I'll replace my order.