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July 18th, 2011, 07:46 AM | #2 |
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well, he's dead now...... (Those dots stand for emoticons which I can't decide to choose)
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July 18th, 2011, 07:47 AM | #3 |
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July 18th, 2011, 07:54 AM | #5 |
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I've always wondered why people call these types of incidents accidents.
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July 18th, 2011, 07:54 AM | #6 |
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maybe he'll make it to the next "World's Dumbest Criminals" show
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July 18th, 2011, 09:00 AM | #7 |
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Why do they call most vehicle crashes accidents? They are almost never accidental.
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July 18th, 2011, 09:58 AM | #8 |
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July 18th, 2011, 10:14 AM | #9 |
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It sucks, I feel sorry for the family and the people in the car. Its bad people like that are what the media and non-riders see though and give the good 'uns a bad name. You gotta think though, if it was just a speeding ticket would you run, or was it something more..............?
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July 18th, 2011, 10:16 AM | #10 |
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Maybe he was suicidal and wanted to have fun dying. Honestly as bad as it sounds he didn't give a **** how he did it =[ Even at the expense of others.
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July 18th, 2011, 10:45 AM | #11 | |
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Ultimately, point being that by calling a collision an "accident" it implies there's no one at fault whereas in any traffic collision there was always someone at fault and while they did not intend to cause the wreck they are still responsible for the events that resulted in the collision. You don't accidentally start texting your girlfriend and side-swipe the car next to you as you drifted over into their lane. You intentionally chose to pull out your phone and take your focus off operating your vehicle. You may have accidentally not stopped in time and rear-end a car, but you consciously chose to ride too close to them and didn't have enough time to stop before hitting their car after they slammed on their brakes. My wife works in insurance with this stuff and just argued with some reasons about why it's called an "accident" and a threw some insurance jargon at me. I just rolled my eyes and dropped it, didn't feel like arguing that just b/c the industry labels it as such means it's right, just that the industry chose to name it as such. Not saying I'm absolutely right on the matter, just that I will always vehemently disagree on calling them "accidents" when it's clear that it could've been avoided. To the point of the OP, feel bad for those injured and family of the rider having to deal with his loss. For the rider himself, seriously moron... you can't outrun a radio, don't ever bother trying to run from the cops. |
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July 18th, 2011, 10:50 AM | #12 |
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Jason, what if it is a one vehicle occurance?
On a different note; I hate we people say "on accident" instead of "by accident". There is no "on accident", there is only "on purpose".
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July 18th, 2011, 01:01 PM | #13 |
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"on accident" KILLS ME TOO
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July 18th, 2011, 01:04 PM | #14 |
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There's always another vehicle, bike, deer or other animal, that fled the scene after causing the crash.
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July 18th, 2011, 01:28 PM | #15 |
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They are never accidental..NEVER
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July 18th, 2011, 01:31 PM | #16 |
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One of the commenters had an interesting statistic, but he didn't say where he got it from. "20% of motorcycle accidents are the rider's fault and 80% of them are the driver's fault."
If the 80% is true, then I wonder how many of them are because of driver stupidity and how many were on purpose. Just the other day, I got caught in the rain on a 2 lane road and a driver in front of me slowed way down. Then I went to pass him and the guy jerked over in the other lane just as I was passing. I got by OK, but there was no reason for him to do that other than to mess with me. There was nobody in front of him and no place for him to turn. I'm recalling the video of the redneck in the pickup truck in Kentucky. |
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July 19th, 2011, 04:02 AM | #20 |
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think about it for a moment
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July 19th, 2011, 06:44 AM | #21 |
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not understanding your logic at all. if only one vehicle is involved in a collision, how is it not classified as a single vehicle collision? you've never heard of a person losing control of their vehicle and hitting a tree. is that not a single vehicle collision? is the tree considered another vehicle? did the tree somehow flee the scene?
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July 19th, 2011, 07:52 AM | #22 | |
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You guys are arguing semantics. What's the point? Although I tend to agree with Murphey.
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If a child spills milk, it's still spilled milk. If the child didn't do it on purpose, would you call it an accident? Frankly, you can call it a collision or an accident. People will still understand what you mean in either case. For those of you who believe that there are never accidents, would you also say that the people who drop their bikes because they forgot their kickstand wasn't down, dropped them on purpose? There are only 2 ways we do things. Either on purpose or by accident.
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July 19th, 2011, 08:04 AM | #23 | |
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Seems that many people that fall down with their motorcycle because they screwed up have the excuse that a deer ran out in front of them, a dog... a car got too close, etc. Even though he/she was alone in the crash, they still like to throw out the "it wasn't my fault" lines. Get it? Tri, it had nothing to do with semantics, though whipppin out them big words is kinda cool
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July 19th, 2011, 08:24 AM | #24 |
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My mom says that I was an accident, but I'm pretty sure that the collision between my mom and dad was intentional.
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July 19th, 2011, 08:32 AM | #25 |
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my mom say's the same thing to me...
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July 19th, 2011, 08:42 AM | #26 |
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What if they were drunk?
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so what would you call a single-vehicle collision into a tree caused by a blown tire? still not accidental? what about if a pedestrian is walking on the sidewalk and accidentally trips on their own foot and falls infront of a car and the car is unable to swerve or stop in time? still not accidental? what if you're driving and a meteor hits your car? still not accidental? surely libers parents had access to coat-hangers... still accidental?
ok that last one might be too far but i laughed for a good minute at his comment.
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I just re-read my post and realized I didn't specifically state I was really only referring to collisions when multiple cars are involved. I thought I had when I was typing up my response, I actually did mention it in my debate with my wife that I was really only referring to car-on-car action.
I wouldn't really no what else to call it other than an "accident" if a deer jumped out in front of your car and you had zero time to react so you just hit it. If you have time to react then that could open up a can of worms; if you swerve and miss the deer but hit a parked car then would it be called an "accident" (by my definition ) still? You intentionally chose (albeit a split-second, knee-jerk type of reaction/decision) to swerve versus just slamming on your brakes. Since it was your decision to swerve and you ended up hitting a car you'd still be negligent and arguably not an "accident" at that point. ABSOLUTELY! I know I'm arguing semantics, ultimately, my whole argument is my opinion on how a traffic "accident" is defined. I'm not saying that we need to rewrite the dictionary, or traffic laws, etc. My whole argument surrounds how a traffic accident is defined, not how the word "accident" is defined. To me, if human-error was the cause of the collision than it wasn't an "accident" it was negligence. An accident is when the factors causing the collision are beyond any human control and the only end-result would be an unavoidable collision. You're texting your g/f while driving and hit someone, you intentionally distracted yourself and you're negligence caused the incident, you had control over the circumstances yet your decisions caused an undesirable outcome. A rock falls off a rock wall next to the highway, rolls onto the road and you hit it, that's an accident, you can't control that the rock fell into the road. |
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This was a one vehicle accident. The tree did not hit me on purpose. I hope. Since I was going an appropriate speed for the conditions, and actually trying to stay away from other vehicles, and paying attention to conditions and surroundings... I feel I did everything correct. The only way for me to actively avoid this, would be to never leave the house. Accidents happen. Even with one vehicle. It's rare, I'll grant that, but sometimes random **** just happens.
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July 23rd, 2011, 09:49 PM | #34 |
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Scared the crap out of me and the wife, though. We both each almost had an accident in the seats...
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July 23rd, 2011, 10:27 PM | #35 |
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is it just me or did anyone else think "squid on a gsxr" when they read the first quote?
normally i'd be sympathetic to a motorcycle fatality victim....but hey, Darwin was right... |
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At the same time, anyone who thinks that only speeding squids with no helmet can get killed, are squids themselves.
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a) OP posts something like "Biker Gets Killed because he wasn't wearing a helmet". b) Someone else posts something like "He was asking for it with no helmet" and "Evolution at its finest." While its true that helmets and gear save lives, the tone of some of these threads seems like people have the attitude that "Bad things aren't going to happen to me because I am smart and I wear a helmet." So ride safe, ride with a helmet + ATGYCA (All The Gear You Can Afford), but don't delude yourself into thinking that it makes you invincible. |
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