I need help right now (blinker issue)

ninja_sleeper · August 26th, 2011, 08:52 PM

I ordered these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00389XV1U flush mount turn signals.

I hooked up the wires the exact same way the stock wires were hooked up to the stock turn signal.

They aren't blinking. They just stay on. No blinking. The back stock blinker on the same side stopped blinking too. And the green blinker indicator on the dash does not blink on the same side.

THE LEFT SIDE IS NOT BLINKING.

Connected the wires from the stock blinker to the flush mounts so both were attached to the bike, and it blink-ded (?) But the flush mounts alone will not blink.

What's happening and why.

thanks guyz.

solo440 · August 26th, 2011, 08:58 PM

Hmm...are they LED flushmounts? I have not installed flushmounts on my bike yet (going to get protons), but from what i have read here on the forums, for most aftermarket flush mounts, you need to replace to turn signal relay with one that works with LED's. Not 100% sure on that though. Hopefully someone who knows more than me will chime in.

ninja_sleeper · August 26th, 2011, 09:06 PM

Yes they are LED...

What relays? Where? Why?

Alex · August 26th, 2011, 09:06 PM

These are LED flushmounts? You often need to add a diode or they won't blink. The stock flasher doesn't recognize the LED's properly, as they have much less resistance than the incandescent bulbs. There are a couple of DIY threads in the tech section that outline the process:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36477
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76116
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79621

ninja_sleeper · August 26th, 2011, 09:24 PM

Cant be the relay. It blinks when one stock light is attached. ????? Right?

Alex · August 26th, 2011, 09:25 PM

Not necessarily. That one stock light is providing enough resistance. With no incandescent lights in the loop, it no longer works.

TheMojoRider · August 26th, 2011, 09:37 PM

how many wires on OEM wire loom? 3?
how many wires on flushmounts? 2?

edit: I'm a hack mechanic so speaking from my limited experience.

ninja_sleeper · August 26th, 2011, 09:45 PM

there's two on the original oem. and two on the LED.

ninja_sleeper · August 26th, 2011, 09:47 PM

Thank god my b/f is an electrician.

I'll have him read those DIY's see if he can figure it out.

gt_turbo · August 26th, 2011, 10:10 PM

simple you need a to replace your stock relay with one that works for LED lights. see this guide by thunder. it's a tridon relay.

alex.s · August 28th, 2011, 10:19 PM

did you refill the blinker fluid?

Trailerboy531 · August 28th, 2011, 10:26 PM

yeah CThunder-blue is going to be your go to guy.Maybe a no-cut diode from his website will help? (www.modmy250.com) He also has some pretty nice flush mounts if these just don't work out for you. Shoot him a PM I hear he's a super helpful and friendly guy.

Link to his profile: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/member.php?u=4299

hope that helps

CThunder-blue · August 29th, 2011, 09:51 AM

Hi Carrie, sorry I didn't see this until today. I'm usually MIA from the computer on weekends. What you need is a new relay and some diodes installed. Since I believe you purchased an integrated tail light and front LED's, you have 2 issues.

1. You need an electronic relay that can distribute power correctly. The stock one is a thermal-mechanical relay and won't do this. In my kits, I sell the Tridon EP34. You can find one at any Autozone for roughly $10. Just run a ground strap on the E pin of the relay and connect the stock harness to the other two pins. Without the relay, the lights will come on and stay on.

2. With 4 LED blinkers (integrated lights + front mounts), you will need to install diodes to keep the power from flowing from one side to the other. Without diodes all 4 lights will flash at the same time.

Here's a DIY on installing a new relay:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76116

Here's a few DIY's on the diodes:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79621
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24500
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...&postcount=122
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...6&postcount=76

Let us know if you need any more help.
Tri

ninja_sleeper · August 29th, 2011, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

did you refill the blinker fluid?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

Hi Carrie, sorry I didn't see this until today. I'm usually MIA from the computer on weekends. What you need is a new relay and some diodes installed. Since I believe you purchased an integrated tail light and front LED's, you have 2 issues.

1. You need an electronic relay that can distribute power correctly. The stock one is a thermal-mechanical relay and won't do this. In my kits, I sell the Tridon EP34. You can find one at any Autozone for roughly $10. Just run a ground strap on the E pin of the relay and connect the stock harness to the other two pins. Without the relay, the lights will come on and stay on.

2. With 4 LED blinkers (integrated lights + front mounts), you will need to install diodes to keep the power from flowing from one side to the other. Without diodes all 4 lights will flash at the same time.

Here's a DIY on installing a new relay:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76116

Here's a few DIY's on the diodes:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79621
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24500
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...&postcount=122
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...6&postcount=76

Let us know if you need any more help.
Tri

Thanks alot. I put the OED's back on for now. I will have to tackle this one sometime this week. Thanks Tri

CThunder-blue · August 29th, 2011, 11:56 AM

No problem. PM me if you need help. I'm more apt to read my email over the weekend/weeknights than threads on the board. I get email notifications when people pm me. I also make and sell diode kits which makes installing them a 10 minute job vs an hour.

August 26th, 2011, 08:52 PM	#1
ninja_sleeper ninjette.org guru Name: Carrie Location: Oregon Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Red 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 2	I need help right now (blinker issue) I ordered these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00389XV1U flush mount turn signals. I hooked up the wires the exact same way the stock wires were hooked up to the stock turn signal. They aren't blinking. They just stay on. No blinking. The back stock blinker on the same side stopped blinking too. And the green blinker indicator on the dash does not blink on the same side. THE LEFT SIDE IS NOT BLINKING. Connected the wires from the stock blinker to the flush mounts so both were attached to the bike, and it blink-ded (?) But the flush mounts alone will not blink. What's happening and why. thanks guyz. __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2011, 08:58 PM	#2
solo440 ninjette.org member Name: Alex Location: Southern Illinois Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R SE Posts: 45	Hmm...are they LED flushmounts? I have not installed flushmounts on my bike yet (going to get protons), but from what i have read here on the forums, for most aftermarket flush mounts, you need to replace to turn signal relay with one that works with LED's. Not 100% sure on that though. Hopefully someone who knows more than me will chime in. __________________________________________________ 2009 250R SE, ProGrip CF Tank Pad, DIY Smoke Windscreen

August 26th, 2011, 09:06 PM	#3
ninja_sleeper ninjette.org guru Name: Carrie Location: Oregon Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Red 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 2	Yes they are LED... What relays? Where? Why? __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2011, 09:06 PM	#4
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	These are LED flushmounts? You often need to add a diode or they won't blink. The stock flasher doesn't recognize the LED's properly, as they have much less resistance than the incandescent bulbs. There are a couple of DIY threads in the tech section that outline the process: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36477 http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76116 http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79621 __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 26th, 2011, 09:24 PM	#5
ninja_sleeper ninjette.org guru Name: Carrie Location: Oregon Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Red 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 2	Cant be the relay. It blinks when one stock light is attached. ????? Right? __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2011, 09:25 PM	#6
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Not necessarily. That one stock light is providing enough resistance. With no incandescent lights in the loop, it no longer works. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 26th, 2011, 09:37 PM	#7
TheMojoRider ninjette.org member Name: Ninja Location: CA Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja! Posts: 77	how many wires on OEM wire loom? 3? how many wires on flushmounts? 2? edit: I'm a hack mechanic so speaking from my limited experience.

August 26th, 2011, 09:45 PM	#8
ninja_sleeper ninjette.org guru Name: Carrie Location: Oregon Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Red 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 2	there's two on the original oem. and two on the LED. __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2011, 09:47 PM	#9
ninja_sleeper ninjette.org guru Name: Carrie Location: Oregon Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Red 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 2	Thank god my b/f is an electrician. I'll have him read those DIY's see if he can figure it out. __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2011, 10:10 PM	#10
gt_turbo ninjette.org sage Name: L Location: WI Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): '09 250R, '13 CBR500R Posts: 709	simple you need a to replace your stock relay with one that works for LED lights. see this guide by thunder. it's a tridon relay.

August 28th, 2011, 10:19 PM	#11
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	did you refill the blinker fluid? __________________________________________________

August 28th, 2011, 10:26 PM	#12
Trailerboy531 Gear crash test dummy Name: Max Location: South Bay (So. Cal) Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 race bike, 2014 ZX-636r Posts: A lot.	yeah CThunder-blue is going to be your go to guy.Maybe a no-cut diode from his website will help? (www.modmy250.com) He also has some pretty nice flush mounts if these just don't work out for you. Shoot him a PM I hear he's a super helpful and friendly guy. Link to his profile: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/member.php?u=4299 hope that helps

August 29th, 2011, 09:51 AM	#13
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	Hi Carrie, sorry I didn't see this until today. I'm usually MIA from the computer on weekends. What you need is a new relay and some diodes installed. Since I believe you purchased an integrated tail light and front LED's, you have 2 issues. 1. You need an electronic relay that can distribute power correctly. The stock one is a thermal-mechanical relay and won't do this. In my kits, I sell the Tridon EP34. You can find one at any Autozone for roughly $10. Just run a ground strap on the E pin of the relay and connect the stock harness to the other two pins. Without the relay, the lights will come on and stay on. 2. With 4 LED blinkers (integrated lights + front mounts), you will need to install diodes to keep the power from flowing from one side to the other. Without diodes all 4 lights will flash at the same time. Here's a DIY on installing a new relay: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76116 Here's a few DIY's on the diodes: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79621 http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24500 http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...&postcount=122 http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...6&postcount=76 Let us know if you need any more help. Tri __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

August 29th, 2011, 11:56 AM	#15
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	No problem. PM me if you need help. I'm more apt to read my email over the weekend/weeknights than threads on the board. I get email notifications when people pm me. I also make and sell diode kits which makes installing them a 10 minute job vs an hour. __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

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