June 22nd, 2018, 10:29 AM | #1 |
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Accident caused by unsafe lane change
I got accident last month when I rode my Ninja on 105 freeway. I was lane splitting between carpool lane and right 1st lane. The traffic was very slow for all lanes. My speed is about 35-40 mph. A shuttle van on the carpool lane suddenly changed lane, crossed the double solid lanes and caused me to fall immediately. My bike didn't hit the van. I suffered shoulder injury and was sent to emergency room. Fortunately no bone fracture. I was fully protected by the gears. The van driver denied that he changed lane. I am still waiting for police report.
I am not sure if I will ride motorcycle again. But if I do, I will definitely use a video camera during riding. In case I got accident again, I can get direct evidence. |
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June 22nd, 2018, 10:33 AM | #2 |
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I'm sorry you crashed, and I hope you heal well.
A camera is definitely a good idea, for precisely this reason. The van driver doesn't want to admit he changed lanes because it's a ticketable offense to cross the solid lines. And it's definitely something you want to watch for while lane-splitting because people change lanes like this all the time. |
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June 22nd, 2018, 10:53 AM | #3 |
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Sorry bout your crash, but.... a "shuttle van" should be full of witnesses.
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This is L.A., people just don't want to get involved. Even if it's to help others.
Jim, sorry to hear about your wreck. Don't let other's stupidity ruin your life!!! I got hit while at university back in '88 and it did take while to recover mentally. In end, I got back on because I wasn't going to let idiots dictate my life! Good idea on camera, I got Eken H9R about 2-yrs ago and couldn't be happier. Here's newer model: Amazon - Eken W9S. Best wishes on your recovery! |
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June 22nd, 2018, 03:14 PM | #5 |
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So let me get this straight...
Am I getting this right? Good luck. |
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June 22nd, 2018, 05:20 PM | #6 | |
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On 105 freeway, there are 4 solid yellow lane between carpool lane and right 1st lane. Most people do lane splitting with 40-50 mph speed with heavy traffic. I am relatively slower than most riders. |
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June 22nd, 2018, 07:00 PM | #7 |
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In retrospect, do you think you were going a safe speed?
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CHP guidelines are traffic-speed+15mph is more or less what you're supposed to do, so 40-50 could be within that. If people were changing lanes, it's not stopped. I split at relatively slow speeds, too, and have done it around 40mph.
And while you're legally not allowed to cross those double yellow lines, people do it all the time and it can be startling. |
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June 22nd, 2018, 09:16 PM | #9 |
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When ninjala said that traffic was very slow in both lanes and he was going 35-40, I assumed he meant there was a 30-35 mph difference in speed between him and the other traffic, but I'm not sure I understand it right.
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June 23rd, 2018, 06:11 PM | #12 |
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Glad you was not hurt to bad. How bad is the bike?
I do hope you don't give up riding because of this.
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June 23rd, 2018, 09:08 PM | #14 |
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June 23rd, 2018, 09:15 PM | #15 |
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on 105 freeway, with heavy traffic, most people ride at 40-50 mph between carpool lane and right 1st lane because there are 4 yellow solid lanes. Even when all car are stopped on both lanes, you can still ride at 30-40 mph.
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June 23rd, 2018, 09:24 PM | #16 |
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But you obviously were not, since you were not able to avoid the crash. If another driver dictates whether or not you crash, you are not in control of the situation. You must always be in control of what happens to you, or this will continue to happen, and the next one could be fatal.
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June 23rd, 2018, 09:37 PM | #17 | |
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The reason that the shuttle van driver wants to change lane is that there was firework truck stopped and blocked the carpool lane in front (maybe 100 feet away). The right first lane became wide open at the time when the van changed lane. If I had moved to the right 1st lane earlier , I would have avoided the accident. |
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June 23rd, 2018, 09:48 PM | #18 | |
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I used motorcycle for daily commute for last 10 years. After this accident I realize the risk is still high no matter how careful you ride the bike. |
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I'm glad you haven't any tickets, although I have gotten a few tickets over the years (some kinda extreme), I haven't had any accidents, which I feel to be more important.
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June 24th, 2018, 02:22 PM | #21 |
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The van is very close to me (I am at the blind spots of the van). When the van suddenly changed lane and crossed the yellow lane, it completely blocked my way, I immediately turned to the right lane to avoid hitting the van. Then I lost balance.
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Solder also works pretty well for filling scratched metal.
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Leaded bodywork takes a fair amount of experience and the right alloy, flux, and tools. I doubt I'd recommend that to ninjala, but Ram Jet is probably right about Bondo. I used ordinary spray paint on my 250's mufflers, and there's no sign of heat damage after three years.
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Just got back from Paris France. The traffic there is a free for all. Motorcycles and scooters split lanes, pass on right or the left. Sometimes the lane splits are followed by left and then the right passing all within seconds. You don't have a clue what lane splitting is until you visit Paris.
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Yeah, most places outside U.S. are like that. Remember, we are nanny-state with tonnes of rules for our own protection. Because we don't have background and skillz to handle traffic like that. It would be maiming and mayhem if we tried to have traffic actually be effiicent.
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Mounting cameras to a helmet seems like a good idea, but it rarely is in an accident. You can get bike specific camera kits that come on with the bikes power & are effectively permanently mounted to the bike, so you don’t have to keep remembering to turn them on ! Just a suggestion. YMMV |
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June 27th, 2018, 12:29 AM | #32 |
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OP, just remember that if you choose to filter, then that is NOT normal behaviour for cage drivers. They are usually oblivious to bikes in general & especially when they are filtering. You need to tailor your speed to the traffic conditions & basically accept the fact that at some point you will have a near miss & if unlucky you may have an impact. Remember it’s you taking the risk.
IIRC California made filtering legal not very long ago, thus many drivers would not have been informed that this is happens. It’s been legal all my life in the UK & even today when following another bike by 100-200yds, drivers still manage to close the gap between lanes or drift to the white lines, slowing your progress. Be careful out there, it’s your choice & your life and THEY don’t care. SMIDSY = Sorry Mate I Didn’t See YOU !!!! |
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There have been attempts to get the laws actually changed to make it clear what is acceptable and what isn't, but nothing has been passed. But more to the point, there's been no difference in behavior in filtering in the 20+ years I've been here. Cars still generally have no idea that it's "OK", and it's not a rare occurrence to see a motorcycle filtering in dangerous and questionable ways (even if most m/c commuters are prudent and attentive).
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Yeah, filtering has always been legal due to some CVC saying something to effect of "more than one vehicle can share lane when there's sufficient space for both safely". I remember reading this when I first got licence +30yrs ago. Doesn't just apply to bikes, two cars can share lane if it's wide enough.
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June 27th, 2018, 11:39 AM | #35 |
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Tough break man. When splitting you really need to pay attention.
Speed: Your speed differential to traffic needs to be appropriate for the situation you are in. Location: Are you splitting on a highway or are you splitting in the city? In the city you have to worry about bikes and jaywalkers that you typically wouldn't encounter on a highway. On a highway, debris tends to collect in between lanes. Stop and Go Traffic: When traffic is stopped you have to start worrying about people opening their doors. If traffic is moving really slowly it helps to pay attention to where drivers are looking. Do they look like they are trying to find a gap in traffic? Are they looking back over their shoulder? Are their wheels pointed into your lane? In slow moving and stop and go traffic people won't wait for a vehicle sized gap to move into instead moving to where a vehicle sized gap will appear. Lanes of traffic moving at different speeds: If one lane is moving quicker than the other you're likely to have vehicles move from the fast lane to the slow one. Start paying attention to gaps in the traffic where vehicles might try to slot or dart in. Vision: Along with the above you need to keep your vision up. That vehicle 10 cars ahead of you that keeps switching lanes is probably not going to stop anytime soon. You should give that vehicle a wide berth. Are one of the lanes closed? Is traffic being pushed into fewer lanes? You should probably start splitting in another lane. |
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Splitting is more or less a "go" now, where before it was not illegal and people did it. CHP is now allowed to issue guidelines on it, and everybody acts as though it's legal.
It's helped some. I have had more drivers move over for me than before the "should we legalize it" discussion. |
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It's true I sit much further forward than my husband does. Of course, he's ... 8 or 9 inches taller than I am and can reach the pedals where I could not with the seat back.
And I will agree that the average driver (men do it, too, sorry to tell you) looks at the bumper of the car in front of them. We should all look much further ahead. |
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