January 31st, 2011, 09:45 AM | #41 |
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I don't, only because I don't trust myself quit yet to keep the bike steady.
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January 31st, 2011, 09:51 AM | #42 |
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All the time. It definitely takes some focused attention, but it's a very good feeling knowing that you won't ever be significantly delayed by traffic while on a bike.
The accident in the video above is one of the classic lane-split crashes when a car jumps to a gap in the adjoining lane without signaling. This why the spidey-senses need to ping very loudly whenever you see an open gap in a lane one over like that. Accelerating just at that point was the absolute wrong move, and it's one he likely won't make again.
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January 31st, 2011, 10:02 AM | #43 |
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When I was in CA, yes, but not since I left that area. From what I have seen so far in N. Alabama, the drivers here are so crazy, and its illegal, I won't be doing it here.
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January 31st, 2011, 10:39 AM | #44 |
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It's not legal here so, only when the cops are after me.
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January 31st, 2011, 10:49 AM | #45 | |
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To answer the OP's question, I live in CA and I absolutely lane split. If I couldn't I probably wouldn't own a bike. The question of "Is it wise?" can only be answered by the individual rider. I know people in CA who adamantly refuse to lane split. In their mind it's too dangerous. Then you have the ones who use the "Someone's going to open a door on me" argument. But I have never heard first hand of anyone opening car/truck doors with the intent to stop/crash a rider who's lane splitting. And the only significant MC crash report does not have a section devoted to whether any of the accidents were a result of lane splitting. All that being said, the US is pretty much the only place in the world where spliting is specifically illegal. Damn near every other country in the world allows it, but 49/50 states haven't caught up with reality yet. |
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January 31st, 2011, 12:11 PM | #46 |
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Got it, I didn't see it when I watched through it, but that's kinda the point. The presence or absence of signaling isn't enough to stay safe when about to travel next to a car. The more reliable way is to try and understand what the car is going to do (or be able to do) ahead of time. If there is a vehicle near or next to them, they are unlikely to move over instantly. Of course it doesn't mean you can hang out in their blind spot, or take your time while sitting in between cars; but it does mean that if you can get through quickly, it's likely a safe bet.
If a car in front of you comes up on a significant gap of traffic to the right, be extra aware of them having the ability (and sometimes, even the inclination) to jump into the spot. I've had that happen exactly as shown above, and the way to minimize the risk is to either stay back and see what's going to happen until the gap closes, or if you do start to enter the gap, move the bike over into that gap in the lane to allow more side-to-side space and give a larger escape route if the car does start to jump over.
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January 31st, 2011, 01:18 PM | #47 |
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I do occasionally but that's only because its legal here. Frankly it scares the crap outta me, there are too many grumpy drivers that try to close the gap between lanes and don't allow motorcycles to pass during stopped traffic. Usually I'll only lane split if I'm riding with Ryan.
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January 31st, 2011, 02:03 PM | #48 |
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All of the time. Like Alex is saying, you have to develop a skill for reading the "body language" of the other vehicles and anticipate them. If you don't get that "awareness" then the odds will catch up to you sooner rather than later.
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January 31st, 2011, 02:10 PM | #49 |
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If it's legal, then I MAY do it, if I were to be stuck in bumber to bumber traffic, but just riding in straight line is dangerous for us riders. So I think I would just ride along normal enjoying the ride.
On the video, I'm sure the driver of the truck didnt even see the biker in his mirror. Bikes tend to pop up out of nowhere at times.
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January 31st, 2011, 02:34 PM | #50 |
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Yes, I do. It is legal in the UK, all drivers actually expect you to filter through traffic (like in this video here). Often when I'm between lanes, other vehicles intentionally make space for me to overtake them.
As a motorcyclist you're actually expected (by cagers) to filter though traffic and overtake them. If you don't filter they would probably think you're a sissy, lol! |
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January 31st, 2011, 02:34 PM | #51 |
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Dang, I had to watch that video quite a few times to see if there was any way to have avoided that crash. The only thing the motorcyclists should/could have done was to do an emergency stop as soon as the truck began to signal. Of course, paying attention helps too. The other thing is, that truck moved pretty quickly to merge in front of the semi. He had space in front of him, but instead of doing a more gradual lane change, it almost looked like he was trying to cut off the motorbike. Check out how close he would have been to the front of the semi if the truck had been able to complete the lane change. That semi would have been right on top of him (the truck).
To answer the question, I do it all the time. I agree with Alex too. Gotta watch out for the empty spaces. People have this need to fill gaps in traffic. Even if it makes no sense and the lane is moving slower than the one they're in, they get this irresistible urge to fill the void. |
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Oh, and I'm pretty sure that most people don't want to damage their door or kill someone and then be stuck there in bumper-to-bumper traffic surrounded by witnesses, especially in a state where the motorcyclist wasn't doing anything wrong. If it isn't bumper-to-bumper, there usually isn't enough reason to be doing it. Quote:
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This is exactly why I say to new riders, even ones in CA, DON'T SPLIT. Not when you're learning anyway. You do not yet have enough infomration to be able to make the right decisions. And sometimes, even that's not enough. I'm lucky in that most of the time people either do nothing (no swerving either way) or move over to make more room, even if it's not necessary, for me to split. Every now and again, I'll see someone who will intentionally move closer to the line so I can't get by. This usually makes the car behind them slow down a tad, so I just go around behind to the other side and make the pass. People like that are better left waaaay in the rear view mirror. |
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February 2nd, 2011, 10:07 AM | #54 | |
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I will, on the other hand, often filter to the front of a queue at a red light if the space between the lanes is wide enough.
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February 2nd, 2011, 10:21 AM | #57 | |
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I forgot to add that the situation I mentioned is when the traffic is stopped. The idiot doing the blocking does not have enough room to make a counter move. While actually moving, 98% of the time I hang back. |
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February 2nd, 2011, 10:50 AM | #58 |
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yeah, if traffic is stopped, then that's different.
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February 2nd, 2011, 11:02 AM | #59 |
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Here in Cali, lane splitting is probably the safest thing you can do IMHO. Granted it shouldn't be done 10mph faster than the two cars you're splitting through but it does provide some protection. <--think about that before you respond.
When I used to ride the street, I would split in 35-75 mph traffic. |
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February 2nd, 2011, 11:11 AM | #61 |
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Well the video also shows a guy that decides to gun it a bit and as a result didn't have time to react. He also had plenty of room to miss that truck if he had swerved and entered the lane in front of the truck. If it had been me I would've been cautious in passing people seeing that traffic is moving in one lane and one is not with gaps between cars.
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Everyone's different, but I've personally never felt safe or "protected" when lanesplitting. I only do it if I decide it's less safe to be in the line of cars (for example, coming across an accident while crossing the Mojave in 90+ weather -- I decided to lanesplit 10 miles instead of risking heatstroke).
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Lane splitting is dangerous, regardless of traffic conditions. The scariest moment I had was when there was a soccer mom in front of me doing make up and talking on the cell phone while unsuccessfully trying to keep from swerving. I gave her a wide berth and merged into the next lane to pass. Those drivers are the ones I fear the most.
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I like getting from point A to B safely and as quickly as possible. Nothing urks me more than the person driving down the road all over their lane eating a fatburger, yelling at their kids, trying to talk on their phone.
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It's safe if you've been doing it for awhile and know what to look out for. For example, when you see a cager hug closer to side of the one line you know s/he is looking to switch lanes. When you see cagers constantly looking in the rearview mirror you know they want to switch lanes.
And as Bluepoof mentioned, during dead/slow traffic cagers are impatient and eagerly looking for open spots to switch into...that is dangerous. Also, when one lane comes to a halt, and you're in that same lane, don't switch lanes unless it's VERY SAFE for you to do so. Reason being it's very likely the cars in front will look to do a quick lane change. When a cager is side to side with another cager that's when it's most safest to split lane because it's very unlikely for that cager to switch lanes. Just my .02 years of splitting lanes. |
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February 3rd, 2011, 02:58 PM | #68 |
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I don't know how you guys lane split out there in california. All of your lanes are tight as hell LOL.
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I have actually witnessed someone opening their door on a guy when he was splitting lanes. It's not legal here so I don't do it and I remember watching that guys Busa almost remove the cars door at about 30 mph.
I have been tempted to split the lanes on a few occasions just never felt safe doing it. Also they let bikes on the HOV lanes here so it's not really needed. |
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February 4th, 2011, 06:21 PM | #71 |
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i live in CA and i dont do it at all. I practice lane splitting when i first started riding only because so i know how to use during sh*ts in the fan situation. But normal riding trip (i only joyride) i dont lane split at all.
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March 26th, 2011, 01:01 PM | #72 |
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though about and then remember my friend who wrecked while trying to pull it off, then back off and slow down.
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May 8th, 2011, 02:57 PM | #73 |
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I feel your pain NINJABREWER, the drives here in the dirty south are Horrible, if you ride through georgia, expect the worse .
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May 8th, 2011, 03:20 PM | #74 |
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this thread makes me want to record my lane splitting ways.....
i'll prolly have 2 up by tomorrow 1 with "conservative" lane splitting and the other aggressive |
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May 8th, 2011, 05:37 PM | #75 |
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here's an old one i took before i started going to school
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May 8th, 2011, 05:54 PM | #76 |
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Dude, your camera's fisheye perspective is throwing off my judgement. It looks so much narrower than it probably is from your viewpoint.
I rarely lanesplit unless traffic slows to almost a halt. When it's already traveling at 30+, I cant justify the extra 5-10mph difference lane splitting would allow for. Plus the added risk of cars lane changing even though it makes practically zero difference which lane they're in. At stoplights though, pretty much always. I hate worrying about someone behind me and drivers have so much lagtime between seeing the car in front move and hitting the gas. |
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lol, yeah the fish eye-ness screws up the actual gap
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May 8th, 2011, 08:42 PM | #78 |
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First I will clarify... the term "lane splitting" or sometimes called "white lining" is being equally in 2 lanes at the exact same time... basically riding exactly on the white line. This is illegal even in the state of CA. I don't do this. "Lane sharing" however is being in the same lane with another vehicle actually sharing the lane with them. This is neither legal or illegal... it is simply tollerated and I do this on occasion if the traffic is moving very slowly or so that I can move to the front of a long line of vehicles at a light.
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I wonder if an officer would even know the difference between lane splitting and sharing and white lineing...
Personally, I have yet to do it since I'm still quite new, but I have made some lane changes and passes which could probably pass as splitting or sharing...so I have done it? |
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