lowsided yesterday.. no gear =(

[jonnyc]

Originally Posted by N Ja

I've crashed dozens of times as a bicycle messenger, road racer and mountain biker and received pretty good road/gravel rash many times.

On motorcycles I've crashed many times on MX tracks, trails and pavement, injuries I received were quite extensive.

I choose to ride with or without gear at my leisure, I never rely on riding gear to get my out of accidents; I use my best judgment to avoid accidents.

No amount of gear is going to help you avoid accidents if you do not ride with the most basic riding skills or awareness of your surroundings.

Wearing gear is no substitute for paying attention to what you are doing or know how to control your vehicle at all time.

Are we really going back to this? Didn't you read the last 2 pages?
Riding skills are not a substitute for riding gear, is that simple.
Riding gear = less injuries, riding skills /concentration = less accidents
They are independent from one another.

You and A have been saying the same all thing. Just because your cautious or careful doesn't mean you won't get into an accident so knowing this it is wise to wear gear. If you choose not to that's ok, as long as you know the possible consequences.

["A"]

Originally Posted by jonnyc

Are we really going back to this? Didn't you read the last 2 pages?
Riding skills are not a substitute for riding gear, is that simple.
Riding gear = less injuries, riding skills /concentration = less accidents
They are independent from one another.

You and A have been saying the same all thing. Just because your cautious or careful doesn't mean you won't get into an accident so knowing this it is wise to wear gear. If you choose not to that's ok, as long as you know the possible consequences.

Not missing much by not going back 2 pages.

Why do you feel the need to repeat what I just said?

Riding gear only prevent injuries, not accidents.

No motorcycle accident = no motorcycling related injury.

I'm glad I'm not the only person that sees avoiding accidents is more important than preventing injuries from accidents.

[Dr. Ew]

But alex.s said how else we going to show off our shredded skin and skin grafts?
Actually im mgatt and "only" wearing a helmet might distract other people on the road and may crash into you for the sake on man kind or just stop and look out

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by N Ja

Riding gear only prevent injuries, not accidents.

No motorcycle accident = no motorcycling related injury.

I'm glad I'm not the only person that sees avoiding accidents is more important than preventing injuries from accidents.

More accurately, "Riding gear reduces the severity of injuries..." Gear does not guarantee that you will not have injuries.

As far as gear not causing accidents, well it can. The very first time I went down was because of a malfunctioning boot. While it wasn't an official CE approve motorcycle boot, it was part of my gear - and it broke which caused me to go down. I'm sure that the high priced motorcycle boots don't do that, but my boot did cause a low speed crash. And that is the main reason I don't wear boots when I ride.

Having said that, I am seriously considering buying some knee protectors. They run about $25 and sound pretty reasonable. Anyone know the pros and cons about them? Will they absorb energy or pass it to unprotected areas?

[nickjpass]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

More accurately, "Riding gear reduces the severity of injuries..." Gear does not guarantee that you will not have injuries.

As far as gear not causing accidents, well it can. The very first time I went down was because of a malfunctioning boot. While it wasn't an official CE approve motorcycle boot, it was part of my gear - and it broke which caused me to go down. I'm sure that the high priced motorcycle boots don't do that, but my boot did cause a low speed crash. And that is the main reason I don't wear boots when I ride.

Having said that, I am seriously considering buying some knee protectors. They run about $25 and sound pretty reasonable. Anyone know the pros and cons about them? Will they absorb energy or pass it to unprotected areas?

I hope you know the risks of not wearing proper foot wear. Try the Alpinestars Knee/Shin guard protectors.

http://www.hucknroll.com/alpinestars...:referralID=NA

[Honko]

Why are these thick headed baiting trolls still being fed?

[alex.s]

well the poor trolls don't get food stamps now that the government has been closed so they need to eat somehow... honestly the OP posted the results in a seperate thread... this thread should just be closed. it's ridiculous that people are arguing over nothing. yes, you have the option to not protect yourself. good for you. if you feel that the rewards outweigh the risks, go for it. noone can stop you but yourself.

NJa, apparently you don't understand that the way you say it communicates that you believe wearing gear means you're forced to ride unsafely. the way you say it communicates that you believe you can only do one or the other. noone has ever said wearing gear is a substitute for riding safely, so why would you say that? you saying that communicates that you believe wearing gear makes you an unsafe rider. people disagree with that. you seem to be communicating that you believe it's either/or. if that's not how you feel, don't say things the way you're saying them because the way you're saying them communicates that point. and don't give us that "take it for only what it says, don't read into it" crap. the act of trying to understand a point is "reading into it" if you simply take things "word for word" you lack the ability to try to gain a deeper understanding of why someone is saying something.

[Suave]

Originally Posted by ducducgooseit

Watch this.

have you seen the sequel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KJ-eLrCQLg&NR=1

[nickjpass]

Originally Posted by Suave

have you seen the sequel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KJ-eLrCQLg&NR=1

I wish my parents would give me a motorcycle as a present

[Suave]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I wish my parents would give me a motorcycle as a present

Who's parents did that?

[alex.s]

the sequel is better.

[Suave]

Originally Posted by alex.s

the sequel is better.

+1

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I hope you know the risks of not wearing proper foot wear. Try the Alpinestars Knee/Shin guard protectors.

http://www.hucknroll.com/alpinestars...:referralID=NA

I was looking at these http://www.kneedraggers.com/product/...lex-Knee-Guard but I'm not sure if they will fit or how easy it is to walk in them. On the surface, they look like they could provide good knee protection without interfering with normal movement too bad.

[Suave]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I wish my parents would give me a motorcycle as a present

Oh, the chick in the video, i hadn't read the description. Yea, that kinda erks me, my mom didnt talk to me for 2 weeks and I got temporarily kicked out of my house when I brought it home lol

[jonnyc]

Originally Posted by N Ja

Not missing much by not going back 2 pages.

Why do you feel the need to repeat what I just said?

Riding gear only prevent injuries, not accidents.

No motorcycle accident = no motorcycling related injury

I'm glad I'm not the only person that sees avoiding accidents is more important than preventing injuries from accidents.

Obviously you need to read those pages, your making your self look dumb.
I already said that it is more important to avoid the accident in the first place (it's common sense that's why you and A are the only ones bringing it up. stop arguing with your self, no one is arguing that point)
You know you can ride safely and still wear your gear right?
What is been argued here is that because of great ridding skills one can skip wearing gear. If you going to sound so snobby at least post about the topic at hand, your making yourself look dumb.

It's your call, but don't come in here and expect someone to agree with you.

[Honko]

Originally Posted by Suave

Oh, the chick in the video, i hadn't read the description. Yea, that kinda erks me, my mom didnt talk to me for 2 weeks and I got temporarily kicked out of my house when I brought it home lol

Mine has almost hit the 2 month mark

[nickjpass]

Originally Posted by Honko

Mine has almost hit the 2 month mark

What do you guys do when you get kicked out?

[Honko]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

What do you guys do when you get kicked out?

I've got a job so if I needed to, I could support myself. I'm just at home right now because I work close to home so I thought I would save the money on rent so I can lose it all on grad school.

[nickjpass]

Originally Posted by Honko

I've got a job so if I needed to, I could support myself. I'm just at home right now because I work close to home so I thought I would save the money on rent so I can lose it all on grad school.

Cool, and that sucks lol. So overpriced

[DEXSPEED]

moto gp riders are very skilled but they wear protective gear,yet they get into crashes/accidents.

["A"]

Originally Posted by DEXSPEED

moto gp riders are very skilled but they wear protective gear,yet they get into crashes/accidents.

You can not be serious, MotoGP ride don't even follow traffic laws during their races/practices.

[DEXSPEED]

i would think that they wear gear when they do ride on public roads even though they are super skilled

[nickjpass]

Originally Posted by DEXSPEED

i would think that they wear gear when they do ride on public roads even though they are super skilled

That's because they're intelligent.

[DEXSPEED]

hahaha!BINGO!

[nickjpass]

Originally Posted by DEXSPEED

hahaha!BINGO!

...was his name-o.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by DEXSPEED

i would think that they wear gear when they do ride on public roads even though they are super skilled

well... about that...

Link to original page on YouTube.

["A"]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

That's because they're intelligent.

Like this? far from ATGATT.

[alex.s]

honestly though, everyone knows rossi's the biggest squid there is. did you see how he took out stoner in jerez?

[nickjpass]

They're all squids.

["A"]

Originally Posted by alex.s

... honestly the OP posted the results in a seperate thread... this thread should just be closed. it's ridiculous that people are arguing over nothing. yes, you have the option to not protect yourself. good for you. if you feel that the rewards outweigh the risks, go for it. noone can stop you but yourself.

Close the thread so that your previous stupid posts would not be bumped to the top of the discussion daily?

Originally Posted by alex.s

NJa, apparently you don't understand that the way you say it communicates that you believe wearing gear means you're forced to ride unsafely. the way you say it communicates that you believe you can only do one or the other. noone has ever said wearing gear is a substitute for riding safely, so why would you say that?

I read that you and other consider wearing gear is more important than riding skills, paying attention to your surroundings and maintain control of your vehicle combined. Since you were, in your own words, 'being casual', when your accident occurred.*
That's the same as not paying attention to your surrounding, no amount of gear is going to help you from getting into accidents when you don't pay attention.

Originally Posted by alex.s

you saying that communicates that you believe wearing gear makes you an unsafe rider.

What do you mean by 'communicates'? I never said such thing.

Originally Posted by alex.s

people disagree with that. you seem to be communicating that you believe it's either/or. if that's not how you feel, don't say things the way you're saying them because the way you're saying them communicates that point. and don't give us that "take it for only what it says, don't read into it" crap. the act of trying to understand a point is "reading into it" if you simply take things "word for word" you lack the ability to try to gain a deeper understanding of why someone is saying something.

Ever try using proper punctuation, capitalization or grammar? I do not understand what you are talking about, bunch of gibberish.

Originally Posted by jonnyc

Obviously you need to read those pages, your making your self look dumb.

No, you're the stupid one, learn proper English, 'yourself' is the proper spelling.

Originally Posted by jonnyc

I already said that it is more important to avoid the accident in the first place (it's common sense that's why you and A are the only ones bringing it up. stop arguing with your self, no one is arguing that point)

You never said that avoiding accidents is more important than wearing gear.

Originally Posted by jonnyc

You know you can ride safely and still wear your gear right?

Originally Posted by jonnyc

What is been argued here is that because of great ridding skills one can skip wearing gear. If you going to sound so snobby at least post about the topic at hand, your making yourself look dumb.

For those who lack the self-confidence, riding skills and awareness to their surroundings; wearing gear is a good option to prevent injuries when accidents occur, but do not assume that wearing gear is ever going to prevent accidents.

Originally Posted by jonnyc

It's your call, but don't come in here and expect someone to agree with you.

My call is that you need to learn English and maybe proper debate skills to fully comprehend people.

[Alex]

I'd like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I am starting to believe that people are arguing simply because they like arguing at this point, rather than really trying to convince anyone of their own point of view. Or more importantly, the way points of view are being portrayed in this thread, nobody is really learning anything anyway.

Originally Posted by N Ja

For those who lack the self-confidence, riding skills and awareness to their surroundings; wearing gear is a good option to prevent injuries when accidents occur, but do not assume that wearing gear is ever going to prevent accidents.

This is a particularly provocative statement. If this is truly meant to be read that gear is only necessary for those who "lack the self-confidence, riding skills and awareness to their surroundings", I think it's pretty clear that you have a minority viewpoint that most would naturally object to. It's not a value judgement of which is more important (skills or protective equipment), it's a tenuous belief that mastery of the first precludes thinking about the second.

This sticky thread right at the top of this section shows us that 58%+ of the riders on this board have put their ninjette on the ground within the first year. I can certainly assume that none of them intended to, none of them wanted to, and perhaps a good portion of them didn't even expect to. But each time the bike hits the ground, the rider is at risk of injury, from minor up to catastrophic. And the right gear can help lessen those injuries compared to riding around in street clothes.

There are those who will ride their entire lives without putting a bike on the ground, and that is due to a combination of good safety awareness, good bike-handling skills, and a portion of good fortune. Most of us aren't going to be that lucky.

It's also clear that choosing even the most protective and most well-thought out gear is not nearly sufficient to prevent injury in all cases, which is why having that awareness, growing those skills, and doing everything in our power to try and keep that bike off the ground (or other traffic) remains priority number one. Dress for the crash, and do everything you can to make it never become necessary.

[jonnyc]

Originally Posted by N Ja

I read that you and other consider wearing gear is more important than riding skills, paying attention to your surroundings and maintain control of your vehicle combined. Since you were, in your own words, 'being casual', when your accident occurred.*
That's the same as not paying attention to your surrounding, no amount of gear is going to help you from getting into accidents when you don't pay attention.

No, you're the stupid one, learn proper English, 'yourself' is the proper spelling.

You never said that avoiding accidents is more important than wearing gear.

For those who lack the self-confidence, riding skills and awareness to their surroundings; wearing gear is a good option to prevent injuries when accidents occur, but do not assume that wearing gear is ever going to prevent accidents.

My call is that you need to learn English and maybe proper debate skills to fully comprehend people.

I did say that and everyone here knows skill is the only thing getting you out of an accident for the last time stop arguing with yourself. GO READ THOSE PAGES so you don't look dumb.

Btw it's typical for someone to bring up such a small mistake to distract from the topic when they know they don't have a valid argument.

So please just reply with how gear cannot prevent accidents, keep repeating the same over and over. Then when you finally wake up and have something valid to say please share it.

[ally99]

Must you quote the ENTIRE post to write your opinion? Everyone needs to read Alex's post in the "Forum information" forum.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11176

[jonnyc]

Originally Posted by ally99

Must you quote the ENTIRE post to write your opinion? Everyone needs to read Alex's post in the "Forum information" forum.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11176

its not easy from a phone, fixed for ya. I am not the only one doing it.

[rockNroll]

Thanks for the funny, you two (jon n ally).

[Azhyen]

Again, use the Ignore List in your User CP, works great!

[ally99]

Originally Posted by jonnyc

its not easy from a phone, fixed for ya. I am not the only one doing it.

I know you're not, but I guess you were the straw that broke the camel's back. This thread is loaded with users doing it, hence the reminder to read Alex's post about how to use quotes.

Ok, you all can get back to arguing now. Sorry to interrupt the regularly scheduled programming.

[sombo]

Alex, don't even bother with N Ja. He has been making the same argument throughout this entire thread and continues to refuse to listen to what people are saying. I'll try to put it clearly enough so both him and "A" might be able to understand, if they continue to make the same exact argument over and over again then it will be 100% clear to everyone that they are trolls just arguing for the sake of arguing.

NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HAS EVER SAID THAT GEAR WILL PREVENT YOU FROM HAVING AN ACCIDENT!!! THE ONLY PEOPLE TO HAVE BROUGHT THAT IDEA UP IS N JA AND "A" IN THEIR ATTEMPT TO ARGUE THAT IT WON'T. EVERYONE KNOWS IT WON'T AND HAS NEVER SAID IT WILL. STOP TRYING TO USE THAT ARGUMENT TO VALIDATE YOUR VIEWS!!!

Is that clear enough for you? I would put it on a large flashing neon sign if I thought it would help any. As it is I'm sure that either I'm on one or both of their ignore lists or it will just not compute for them.

[Pete22x]

Thanks for sharing your story man. It reminds us all how dangerous riding can be, I'll always wear my gear.

[alex.s]

N Ja, "casual" means not sitting at a red revving waiting for it to go out so you can slam your throttle, drop your clutch, and practice your drag racing takeoffs.
"casual" doesn't mean not paying attention to your surroundings or trying to be cautious.

also I don't understand why people with imperfect grammar and punctuation complain about someone else's imperfections. would you like us to point out all the _major_ mistakes you made in your threads?