December 6th, 2011, 12:12 PM | #1 |
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My MSF Today
So, today was the second day of the MSF for me. The first day kinda sucked and I was kind of discouraged. I learned more reading Proficient Motorcycling than I did in the first day. All we did was answer the questions in the back of the book as a group and watch the videos. That was both days classwork and we were done by noon lol. It wasn't a huge deal for me since I've read all that information before, but I feel for someone that has not done any prior reading.
Today however, was lots of fun. All range time today, and since there's only 5 of us, we were getting some good practice in. 2 of the 5 have their license already, one guy has an R1 All of us except one guy are picking it up really quick, so we're moving pretty good. It's nice that we have like 09 Hyosung 250 comets. They seem pretty similar to the 250, albeit poorly constructed. Mine only has 700 miles on it and it's beat to **** from everybody dropping it lol. Tomorrow is 17 more exercises apparently and then the ridden and written test. The instructor told me that VA does not exempt the written or driving test for the MSF, which is a bummer. After all this I'll still have to take the DMV tests. Very slow speed stuff was tough at first, until I remembered to ride the clutch with the RPM up a little and trail the rear brake. Made it much more stable. Just gotta guess with the RPM, since these 250s have no Tach lol. Lots of fun so far. It's supposed to rain tomorrow for the test, hopefully it's not too bad. |
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December 6th, 2011, 01:24 PM | #2 |
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Good luck on your test and hope the rain holds out.
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December 6th, 2011, 01:33 PM | #3 |
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my son & i took our msf riding test in the pouring rain. and it was dark. it was interesting. but at least now we have experience riding in the rain. (kind of). anyway, hope it all goes good for you.
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December 6th, 2011, 01:46 PM | #4 |
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Rain will probably be more of a mental thing than anything, at low speeds it shouldn't be too bad unless you redline and drop the clutch mid turn lol. Watch out for the white painted lines on the course, although they probably aren't the same as the kind they use on actual streets which get slick in the cold and wet. I was lucky my msf was near the end of summer but temps were in the 90s, had to retake my driver license picture when I was all sweaty lol. Good luck hope to have another licensed rider with us
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December 6th, 2011, 02:06 PM | #5 |
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I took my third day after it had just rained....that was the day when we had our tests. As long as its not pouring down, it should be fine.
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December 6th, 2011, 02:58 PM | #6 |
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bummer you cant get outta the DMV test... thats what we do here. We only have to take it once in CA
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December 6th, 2011, 03:18 PM | #7 |
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A little footnote for why I'm happy with the ninjette.
The guy with the R1 has been riding for 10 years. He started on a gsxr600 I believe, and says he's STILL scared of his R1 after 10 years of riding. I heard him tell a couple stories to the other guys about him following people in twisty roads who were leaning far and dragging knee and he said he could/would not ever do that with his bike. This gives me even more motivation on the 250R. I can't wait to practice and practice and then do some trackdays on the 250. Outriding people on R1's who never really learned how to ride is going to make my day. It seems like everyone here is just concerned with riding in a straight line. |
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December 6th, 2011, 03:26 PM | #8 |
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When i took my MSF course a few months ago, It poured on us the first riding day, like all day torrential down pour. and then the second day it was like 35 degrees with a 20mph wind. It was less than fun to say the least lol, but I'm glad I went through it, made me more confident on my bike.
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December 6th, 2011, 03:28 PM | #9 |
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Dont hit the CONE!! autofail! lol
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December 6th, 2011, 03:59 PM | #10 |
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i know of a couple people in my class who hit the cones or knocked them over and still passed. Only 1 guy immediately failed (highslide) and thats because of his attitude/driving style was inappropriate.
Just as our test started it also rained! Tense situation but we all did fine. Either way you will as well, have fun! |
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December 6th, 2011, 08:45 PM | #11 |
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Hmm.... the only autofail in KY is dropping the bike during the exam or having an over the top piss poor attitude resulting in expulsion from the class.
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December 7th, 2011, 01:00 PM | #12 |
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The rain held off and it was actually really nice today. Passed but got points off for putting a foot down in the u-turn box and apparently I cut the sweeping turn too close on the inside. I was going like 18mph or so and touched the inside line of the turn. The dude going 5 mph through the turn didn't get points taken off lol. Oh well, still passed. Definitely gonna have to practice that u-turn a lot on my own. I'm still scared of that crap lol.
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December 7th, 2011, 01:06 PM | #13 |
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Congrats.
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December 7th, 2011, 01:19 PM | #14 |
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In TN, it's two spaces - I'd assume it's the same everywhere. I'll tell ya this much, I had trouble with the u-turn box every time we practiced in it and during the test (still passed) but when I got out on my own in a church parking lot I did it with absolutely no problem - both feet on the pegs the whole time and everything. It was all just stress for me.
Oh, and congrats on passing! |
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December 7th, 2011, 01:21 PM | #15 | |
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Best place to practice u-turns is in a cul-de-sac. That will let you practice progressively tighter u-turns until you can get comfortable doing them on a standard width street. |
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December 7th, 2011, 08:44 PM | #16 |
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December 8th, 2011, 11:09 AM | #17 |
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Went to the DMV today to check on a license and register my bike. Apparently they do waive the test for a safety course, but they don't recognize the "Motorcycle Safety Foundation" *boggle. I would have to take their version at a local community college.
So obviously, I wasn't going to pay to redo this class I've just done. The only other option was to transfer my driver's license to VA, then take the permit test. I now have a motorcycle permit and have to wait 30 days before I can take my license test lol. So ridiculous, oh well. I mean I can see if I was like 16 or something, but I've been driving for 10 years and completed the MSF BRC. Whatever, I just have to ride in a group with one other person with a license. Only other guy I know is a friend I work with that rides a zx14 lol. Guess it'll be the big brother program for a while. |
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December 8th, 2011, 11:17 AM | #18 |
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weird... in CA the community colleges and the DMV partner with the MSF...
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December 8th, 2011, 05:44 PM | #19 |
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Did they say it had to be someone licensed in VA? I have my FL motorcycle endorsement, and wouldn't mind a riding buddy lol.
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December 8th, 2011, 05:54 PM | #20 |
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So long as they have a license I think. My wheels should be back from powdercoat by the time you come up here with your bike. We'll definitely go riding after we beef up your bike.
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December 8th, 2011, 05:59 PM | #21 |
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Sounds good to me, the jet kit will be in hopefully before I leave for FL, and I got my integrated tail light installed today. Got my other bar end mirror, and the connector kit for the LED plate lights coming tomorrow hopefully.
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December 8th, 2011, 06:50 PM | #22 |
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really? I got my endorsement a little over a year ago (I live in Fairfax, VA) and my DMV tests were waived. did the law change this past year? the only other motorcycle-related law change I was aware of is that we're allowed to run red lights now (after we wait either 2 minutes or 2 cycles)
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December 9th, 2011, 10:23 PM | #24 |
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it's really really helpful. you still have to sit there for a little, but at least you're not absolutely dependent on some other late night motorist. I AM still kinda paranoid about doing it in front of a cop, though. lol
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December 9th, 2011, 11:34 PM | #25 |
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NC has one too but ours is 3 minutes. I do it all the time going to work cuz I work the mid shift(midnight-8am) and going to work at 1130, most of the light on my route are triggered by sensors past 10 I think. Done it several times infront of the local PD so far and none of em have even given me a second glance.
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December 10th, 2011, 02:36 AM | #27 | |
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perhaps it's dependent on location? Dave and I live in just about the same area, but Virginia Beach is a little out of the way from us... maybe the classes there aren't licensed or whatever to waive the dmv test? like, maybe the there are just more riders in our area than there are down where Tom lives?
I took my MSF course on a NOVA (NVCC Annandale) campus. I feel like I remember looking up one course that was cheap, but didn't have a DMV waiver. what I'm trying to say is that not all classes are certified to waive the DMV test. taken from the va dmv website: Quote:
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December 10th, 2011, 04:54 PM | #30 |
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@Dave
Unfortunately, yes you have to pay. The course is expensive--like $300 or something, I forget now. For me, it was worth it because it was the first time I wasn't a passenger on a motorcycle. I guess I lucked out, too, because my teachers and classmates turned out to be really nice and friendly. @Tom tough break I guess bro. :/ I'm sure you'll do just fine on the DMV test, just a pain that you gotta be tested again. if I can scrape some time and money together, I might go back for the level 2 course. can't hurt to be more prepared, especially with the way cagers get around here. the only other place I'm more afraid of driving is [insert third world country name here]
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December 10th, 2011, 05:18 PM | #31 |
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Yeah, I'm not too worried about it, just wierd that's all. The course was free. The military makes you do the ERC and the sportbike course as well, and they're also free. So it's not too bad a deal.
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December 12th, 2011, 07:42 AM | #32 |
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If you took the Military version of the MSF safety class, DMV won't accept that. I took the MSF version at the Portsmouth Harley Davidson location and that was accepted by DMV. All I had to do was take the 10 question mandatory test (don't get any wrong) on street signs and then turn in my motorcycle permit with the training certificate and I got my "M" endorsement. This was in 2006 so something could have changed but I don't think so. If anything, DMV wants to turn over the testing portion to the MSF so they (DMV) can get out of that business. Since I work on base I had to take the Military's Experienced Riders Course (they waived the BSC since I had previously taken that) and the Sports Bike Riders Course. Good luck and safe riding.
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December 12th, 2011, 10:27 AM | #33 |
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Yeah, that's the conclusion I've come to. No idea why they won't take it still though, it's the exact same BRC from MSF. And my card is a laminated MSF BRC card, just under location it says NAS Oceana. Oh well, I'll just stick it out with the permit until the beginning of January and then take the DMV test.
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December 12th, 2011, 06:33 PM | #34 |
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Meh, that is weird, specially since a lot of the military continued education programs are excellent and widely accepted everywhere. Dumb DMB is dumb.
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December 12th, 2011, 08:48 PM | #35 |
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wait. you had to pay $300 for the MSF course?? it's $25 in Ohio, and free for people 17 and under.
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December 12th, 2011, 08:55 PM | #36 |
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December 12th, 2011, 09:58 PM | #37 |
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December 12th, 2011, 10:04 PM | #38 |
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Wow I didn't know the MSF BRC varied in length and price so much from state to state. I'm guessing some states must subsidize the course so that it can be made available to more people.
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December 13th, 2011, 01:03 AM | #39 |
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I paid $125 for mine at Tidewater CC(2.5 Days), I could've gotten it free through any of the military bases in the Norfolk area(FL requirements for military personnel outside the state just say that you need to take the BRC course and you send in a copy of the card and they send you a new license with your M endorsement) but when I was checking around none of them had any free slots till after January(My base doesn't offer it, and I could've gotten the money back for the course since its required but I actually enjoyed the course and didn't mind paying for it.)
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