March 11th, 2012, 01:52 AM | #1 |
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tucked the front :)
almost no damage. video uploading still. was at chuckwalla with trackdaz yesterday going clockwise. lost the front as i crested the hill on 8/9/10 at 9 when i tried to pick it up. had brand new bt003s... sitting back in the pits waiting to be installed had burnt sport touring tires. not blaming my toast tires. blaming myself for being stupid and not changing my tires when i should have and instead working on trying to get the second bike up and running so i could keep up with kevin on his 636 :/
some scratches. the peg got ground a little bit. same with the kickstand mount. aside from that no damage. the kobe suit has almost no damage either. however the kobe gloves didn't fare as well. they broke a little metal loop that holds the wrist strap, so i need a new one. somehow my helmet didn't touch anything but dirt lesson learned: have your **** 110% ready before you get to track... also... that moment when crashing right before its sliding away from you when you know its coming, use more gas. at best you save it, at worst you still crash. and video:
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March 11th, 2012, 07:35 AM | #2 |
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Poor Ninjette lying in the dust
That's quite a cool picture of you walking away in that desert setting. Glad you're able to walk away. Wouldn't the new BT003 tyres have been just as not-grippy as your burnt ones on account of them being new? |
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March 11th, 2012, 08:03 AM | #3 |
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+1 for badge of honor going down on the race track
+1 for Kobe gear +1 for awesome picture walking away with cool wave maintaining pride -5 for your friend taking pictures of you and bike after the accident, hoping to catch shame for posterity. Net -2.
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March 11th, 2012, 08:36 AM | #4 |
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neato pic, digging it
get back and up bro. |
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March 11th, 2012, 09:40 AM | #5 |
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Damn yesterday was a bad day for riders!! Glad you're ok man...which Kobe Leathers do you have?
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March 11th, 2012, 11:11 AM | #6 | |
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seriously though i'm absolutely sold on the leathers. the gloves too except for one single flaw... the buckle being on the bottom. why is it on the bottom?!!? btw i added video up top
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March 11th, 2012, 11:15 AM | #7 | |
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(btw- it was completely my own fault for exceeding limits i knew of the tires i had. don't let blood-lust let you forget your limits)
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March 11th, 2012, 11:30 AM | #8 |
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I've been thinking about it alot. I made a bigger mistake that I kinda ignored as a bigger factor but now that i think about it and watch the video more and more I'm starting to think it was a bigger factor. when I crashed i had only about half throttle as i crested the hill. weight was probably only around 45/55, so when the road dropped out on the bike, the rear wheel didn't have enough power to it to keep the bike up while the front figured out what it was doing. what i should have done (what i do on the 600, but dont do on the 250 because the 250 has no power and encourages you to charge corners) is set up for 9 farther to the outside and snap the turn in quicker then blast straight to WOT to gun it out over the crest. on something with more power your front lifts up just a tad and is back down right before you need to flop it over to make the next corner. the point is that if you are cresting a hill at max lean, your front tire has almost no weight. if your front tire has almost no weight on it because of a hill or something, give it WOT. or back off before, enough to weight the front enough not to slip out on you.
pin it to win it.
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March 11th, 2012, 11:43 AM | #9 |
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Good video. For those interested, crash at 4:47. Angry gesticulating starts at 4:54. Then it is just seething until 5:39 when gear/limb check commences. I'm totally impressed with nearly a minute before checking your gear. And a full 4+ minutes before you check the bike. Cool as a cucumber. (Though that uber cool Steve McQueen hey it happens in racing wave photo might have actually been a pissed off arm flail, which harshes my vibe .)
Lots of really good riding before the crest got you, if that is any consolation. What levers are those you use? Look good.
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March 11th, 2012, 11:53 AM | #10 |
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thanks floyd. levers are the2wheel guy's pazzo knockoffs. the last arm raise was my waving to the corner worker
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March 11th, 2012, 12:16 PM | #11 |
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The pass at 1:50 and wave at 2:00 I think freaked both of you. That was close. The guy passing must have shite (he dropped a leg to get it down in his boot). Then at 2:29 you have a wobble while being passed. I think you freaked again. I don't understand the lowside since although you were a bit wide (of the apex) you never hit the front brake which usually makes you tuck. Could there have been some marbles? You weren't really that far off line. I did notice a lot of tell tale skid marks in that turn so I looks like you were not alone going down there.
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March 11th, 2012, 12:20 PM | #12 |
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Alex: why did you walk out away from the track after you crashed? Was it to create a greater distance between you and the bikes on the track, for safety?
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March 11th, 2012, 01:02 PM | #13 | |
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I am in awe of this entire crash though, if you watch it in slow mo you see the bike slide on the turn signal, get launched into the air and land on the same turn signal and all he has is some rash and a some ground down hard parts. I freaking tap my turn signal once and it punches through and cracks the fairing. |
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March 11th, 2012, 01:16 PM | #14 |
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haha he surely was trying to get that deuce out of his leg. i think 8 or 9 people crashed that day. all in that same corner. you're right though my line was horrible through it. i would have just barely made the tiger teeth if i didnt lose it. the pass got me blood crazy and i was pushing too hard trying to keep up with 600s.
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March 11th, 2012, 01:20 PM | #15 |
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jeff said it best. if you crashed there, chances are someone else can too. the bike is already crashed. the truck is already on its way. just walk away.
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March 11th, 2012, 01:42 PM | #16 | |
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March 11th, 2012, 01:50 PM | #17 |
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@alex.s After looking at the video, your crash was very similar to the one I had yesterday, except mine was a lot slower. But if I had a gopro on my head it would have looked pretty close.
How did your Kobe gloves and suit do after the accident? |
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March 11th, 2012, 02:05 PM | #18 |
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Sorry brah...
Take those indicators off next time! It takes 5 mins and you don't even have to remove the fairing. Nice riding too.
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March 11th, 2012, 02:12 PM | #20 |
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i was pretty mad at myself. but yeah, raising your arm tells the corner workers you're ok so they dont need to send an ambulence
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March 11th, 2012, 04:11 PM | #21 |
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Glad you're okay. After my recent spill, I'll just take off the turn signals. Sand is very forgiving
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March 12th, 2012, 04:41 AM | #23 | |
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March 12th, 2012, 04:45 AM | #24 | |
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March 12th, 2012, 01:41 PM | #27 |
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I am sitting that one out thanks....
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March 12th, 2012, 01:45 PM | #28 |
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March 12th, 2012, 01:45 PM | #29 |
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March 12th, 2012, 09:24 PM | #32 |
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huh. so i've been watching this video over, and over, and over. i noticed something new.
about a second before the front tucks, theres a visible patch of cleaned up oil. well if its cleaned up how is it visible? exactly. the frame that the front tire hits that patch of darkness, the front starts sliding and the bike starts going off line. about .75 seconds later when i crest the hill, the front tire gets unloaded and the front tucks fully and the bike slides away. still obviously my fault for running ****** tires and cresting a hill improperly. but i think the patch of darkness contributed a little bit.
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March 12th, 2012, 09:52 PM | #33 |
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You fall like a pro hows that arse XD
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March 12th, 2012, 10:01 PM | #34 |
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only injury i had was a bruise to the inside of my left knee from the bike falling on it
...and a bruised ego.
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March 12th, 2012, 11:48 PM | #35 |
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March 13th, 2012, 12:41 AM | #36 |
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That depends on the slider and many different things. It's a toss up as to whether or not it would catch and cause the bike to roll/kill itself. I can say though that watching the bike get rolled in and looking at it... That bike couldn't be in better condition than it was in. So I don't see sliders doing much benefit in this condition. THE TURN SIGNAL DIDNT EVEN BREAK OFF
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March 13th, 2012, 05:09 PM | #37 | |
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Just bought the levers from the2wheel guys after reading reviews. Unexpected result of your crash. In related news, Kobe leathers probably going to be my next major gear purchase - they are throwing in free gloves and back protector with purchase right now. Thank goodness you didn't crash in $2000 leathers with super expensive farkles. Gear/farkle envy is only going to cost me under $500 total.
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March 13th, 2012, 05:13 PM | #38 |
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WTF? How the hell do you tuck the front on a Ninja 250r?
You noob! Go take the MSF course again.
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March 13th, 2012, 05:28 PM | #39 |
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@alex.s Glad to see you walk away from that, sounds like the bike is mostly ok too
.... what kind of helmet are you wearing?
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March 13th, 2012, 06:10 PM | #40 | |
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I can't see that hill that you describe. According to Twist of the thirst 2, the tuck happens when the front wheel is overloaded. It explains that when unloaded (even in a wheelie), the inertia of the rear wheel keeps the lean angle and the bike stable. If all that is true, the re-bounce down of the front tire, contaminated with some oil maybe, was the trigger. Glad you are OK
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