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I'd say the vast majority in Fl drive like asses, and the northern plates and grannies are the worst, def stay out of the ghetto in jax, these folks cray cray
Oh yea something about the plate... Get over it
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July 15th, 2013, 11:31 AM | #82 |
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ive never understood people who say stupid **** like "get over it" when it comes to issues.
lol ur government is spying on you? guess everyone should get over it. Too busy picking out what ridiculous smartphone ur getting next, even though you've had the current one for only a year. gotta upgrade yo! Letting the government literally do anything they want is exactly why the NSA bs is allowed to happen, its why states across the country are saying f*ck woman and taking away abortion clinics, its why legalized bribery is allowed in our political system, because nobody does anything about it and they ignore it. Gotta have dat 60" plasma tv mang, fck what the government is doing to us lol. the patriot act...nuff said. |
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July 15th, 2013, 11:37 AM | #84 |
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The government I can't talk much about till my contract is up. Go protest and stuff then, write congress and such
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so in order to accomplish what you want, the government need to get out of paying for medical expenses. that alone would change the game immensely.
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July 15th, 2013, 11:50 AM | #87 | |
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July 15th, 2013, 11:54 AM | #88 |
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Sigh... more useless laws.
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July 15th, 2013, 11:59 AM | #89 |
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I personally do not like it. Why am I forced to ride around with a gimmicky looking plate that points out my age?
I don't mind or care what other says, and people do chuckle at it, trust me on this one. But why should I be forced to have a signifying mark on me but the ****er I saw on 95 swerving lanes falling asleep that looked 80+ years old doesn't. Or the woman who is too short to see over the steering wheel doesn't, or the guy who has had 2 DUI's doesn't, or the guy with a suspended license doesn't. It just seems like there is a lot more scarier things in Florida than someone who is under 21. |
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also the helmetless rider won't openly admit to riding without a helmet if it costs him more. so the only way to enforce a increase is with an additional deductible. when an accident occurs without a helmet. which is not very effective in offsetting costs. since most helmetless riders actually go for a long while before getting injured. otherwise to be "fair" the increase goes across the board. if the government got out of paying for medical, then the helmetless rider rates go up, since the insurance co. directly incurs more risk. also you pay less in taxes.
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Is there something wrong with being selfish?
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not at all
if anything expecting people to be selfless 1even 80% of the time is unrealistic.
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July 15th, 2013, 12:21 PM | #94 |
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How do you sort out the liers when they fill out the paperwork? I don't see that working very well.
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But it does totally make sense to me to have people convicted of DUI's have plates that say "drunk". If they had those plates, we would know to stay clear of them.
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So if you are in an accident and you are not wearing a helmet your insurance premium immediately increases and your deductible for that accident is multiplied by a factor of x. Exercise your personal "right" to wear a helmet or not wear a helmet or ride with no pants or lie it doesn't matter to me as long as I don't have to pay for it. |
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I suppose I should point out that in FL only people who ride helmetless have to have insurance. BTW, that's "helmetless" not "helmless". "Helmless" means the bike doesn't have a steering mechanism. Which is pretty dangerous too, but not really relevant here. Having worked at hospitals I can tell you that you will get only as good of care as you can pay for. If you have no way to pay and don't have insurance, the hospital doesn't get paid by the state. So you will be sent home if you are stable. A hospital is only required to treat you for as long as it takes to get you stable. The term stable generally means that you are breathing, have a pulse, aren't bleeding, are conscious and don't require specialized equipment or drugs. Being pain-free is not part of the definition of stable. Neither is surgery to fix a broken leg. If you have a TBI, no way to pay and you are not conscious, there is a good chance you'll get transferred to hospice to live out the remainder of your days in a morphine induced stupor. Basically, while hospitals do take charity cases, its not required beyond getting the patient stable. So while there are a few exceptions (ie-older riders on medicare), the vast majority of motorcycle injuries are paid for with private funds - not the taxpayer.
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the autocorrect was right, lol
i figured D had a dictionary...
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This just sticks a target on younger riders backs.
The 'L-Plates' here do the same thing. I carried them for the first 2 weeks until I had the hang of the bike, then borrowed a set the day before my test. Strangely cagers took many more liberties with my personal space when I was on my way to the test, and even f*cked with me on test than when I wasn't displaying the L plate. |
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I read only a bit of this. Just thought I'd leave my 2 cents.
Personally, I love the plate. About me? Just turned 21 July 9th and got a plate that no longer reads under 21. But I loved my plate. In all honestly (I'm sure it was all in my head) I felt other drivers kind of backed off a bit and gave me more slack for the fact that my plate did read under 21. I was rarely tailgated. Im note sure if its the recent rain or just an increase of jerks lately but people have been a bit dangerous driving wise since I've switched my plates, but again that's probably all in my head. I will say this though, to assume the cops will I.D. you as some one who is younger and then specifically try to point you out is extreme. I've been riding since I was 19 and *knocks on wood* have never been pulled over. I think the fact that I wear my jacked boots and helmet kind of makes them more appreciative of the fact that I'm young and show concern about my safety. Honestly, the plates aren't a hindrance at all. If someone stops riding with you because you're under 21, then why would you want to ride with them in the first place? I've met a few great guys from this forum that never had a problem knowing I was under 21 and we rode hard a few times. So long as you have at least MTGATT and don't drive like a squid, you age should never play a factor in their opinions and much like my "people dont tailgate me as much" idea, it's probably all in your head. If you're ever in Orlando, shoot me a message. I'd be willing go for a ride. Even if you're under 21 Edit: Just wanted to add some personal experiences with cops. I've passed plenty of cops and never ever ever in the history of everdom have been stopped by being picked on because I was under 21. I've done 10 MPH over keeping up with cops, passing them even and have lucked out. Mind you MTGATT. Sure, hypothetically speaking they could target you, but that'd be the rarest cop around because I've been riding almost 2 years now doing some risky things in front of cops and never had a problem, especially for little things that would cause me to think I was targeted specifically due to my age...
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I obviously don't have the plate, but I've seen others with them.
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Ah, Sorry n4mwd, I mixed the original post up with another post by someone else. Lol. They were referring to other riders not knowing how old he was until they saw the plate.
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I wear a helmet and always will. but.... I'm very much a libertarian.... you should have the freedom to make dumb decisions, but others should not be responsible for you. Case in point is the helmet law. Why do we need helmet laws? Because motorcyclist can get bad head injuries and the insurance companies or the hospital ERs must pay for it. Simple solution:No helmet means your insurance is not responsible for you. This is not a new concept... Lloyds of London wouldn't insure ships that didn't meet certain specs by the 1600's. There is no need for a law, insurance companies just do it... In Germany you can drive as fast as you want on the autobahn but if you wreck and they can prove you were >120km/h, the insurance co doesn't have to fix your car. The only problem left is that since 1986 hospitals are required to treat people in the ER regardless of if they can pay or not. That law needs fixed. As for the 21 year old thing... What bothers me about this is are you an adult or not? Can you go to jail for a felony? Can you vote? Must us guys register for selective service? Can you enter into contracts? Can you marry? If you are responsible enough to do all of that, why are people under 21 prohibited from fully exercising their rights as citizens? Why (in FL) are they made to identify themselves to the public via their license tags? Why can't under 21 own a handgun or buy a beer? The politicians say people under 21's brains aren't fully developed and they will make bad decisions... OK, then don't let them vote and don't hold them responsible for crimes they commit. My point is that you either ARE or you AREN'T responsible for yourself. If they draw the line in the sand at 18, fine, make it 18 for EVERYTHING. Never mind me... I'm on a rant! HA!
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Wanted to touch base with that point; I have worked in a hospital for 3 years. YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE the amount of accidents we get in who don't have insurance or if they do we still end up eating MOST of the bill. Drives me up a wall!
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But one thing that is a problem is that sometimes EMT's will remove a biker's helmet at the crash scene and it goes to the wrecker yard with the bike rather than to the hospital with the biker. Then the biker gets blamed for causing his own injuries for not wearing a helmet when in fact he was. I think everyone should wear a helmet (or a seat belt in a car), but I'm absolutely opposed to personal safety mandates. That's just government with its thumb up your... Quote:
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In Florida, because of the law, a biker who rides WITH a helmet does not have to have insurance at all, so ironically, the helmeted riders are more of a burden to the hospitals.
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I was speaking of bike, and that being said I can also vouch that MOST non helmet wearing cyclist that come in STILL don't have insurance *eye roll*
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Matter of fact, today on my way to work, a woman in a burgundy SUV make a left turn from a side street into my lane. 1/2 way out, she hesitated when she saw me, but continued anyway. No tags. No regard for others. This is why I ride with a camera on my helmet. If she'd have hit me, at least my wife would know what happened.
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But the 18 idea I like. I'm 20. I'm in that middle ground. Either call me an adult or call me a kid. None of this halfway business. I own a vehicle, I pay insurance, I have school loans, I vote, and I have a job. Why can't I buy a beer to enjoy at the end of the day? |
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imo, you should be able to drink at 18.
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That's true about a lot of folks not having insurance. But in many cases, the fault goes with the car and the biker can collect whatever there is there. That gets passed on to the hospital. Also, if the insurances are still not adequate, then you can go after the car's owner personally and driver too if different. They can have their wages garnished in many cases.
As far as the 18 and drinking thing, I would say that the kids that will have a problem with it at 21 are usually already having problems with it right now. That type of kid doesn't really mature that much in 3 years. In fact, a friend of mine barely touched anything with alcohol before 21 because it was hard to get. Then when he hit 21, he started drinking a lot and hasn't stopped yet. Its definitely messed him up as beer is the center of his life now. He lost all his friends. Before he started drinking, he was an eagle scout with the boy scouts. Anyhow, the point is that some people are simply destined to have alcohol mess up their lives and it doesn't matter what the legal drinking age is. ALSO, if they don't already, the high schools should be teaching alcohol responsibility and how it relates to driving. At least that will help prevent accidental drunk driving.
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I too have been pulled over a a couple times but never for my plate. I have one of these stupid LOOK AT ME I'M UNDER 21 plates. I've never been singled out for it or anything, just a few people have asked why it says it though because they were curious and I gave them the same assumption that it was linked to the helmet law.
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